JohnKenn
Max Output Level: -58.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 1659
- Joined: 2008/10/26 13:51:52
- Status: offline
Anyone having trouble finding a clean public swimming pool?
For the water worshipers among us.
Anyone see the US based study on 31 public swimming pools? I think CNN first reported it.
End point recommendation was you will be better off swimming in your toilet.
Some of the findings quite inspiring and unique. They did pull back and say that there is no guarantee that swimming in an ocean or lake is any safer, but swimmers beware.
Crux of the report is that public swimming pools are a cess pool of filth. Many bugs rampage thru the chlorine and infect anyway.
Was a plea to moms and kids to shower first, not crap and piss in the water. Yeah right...
My own nefarious past as a kid, was never a thought of walking out of the pool to a toilet. Just piss and everything is diluted.
Wonder of biology is osmotic pressure. Means something more dilute trying to equalize something more concentrated across a permeable membrane. In this case, water on the outside, blood on the inside and skin as the membrane. After a few minutes in the pool, the body gorges with an influx of water that has to go somewhere as the kidneys fill up the bladder to get rid of it.
How many kids Boy Scout's honor are going to void outside the pool.
Interesting things in the study.
Eye irritation in the pool is not from the chlorine, but the interaction with chlorine and urine causing a toxic mix.
Even more inspiring is the touchstone of contamination you can do yourself.
Taste of the pool water. Since kids (and adults) are maybe drinking artificially sweetened cokes and diet drinks, and because the taste sense of these agents is so sensitive, someone pisses or craps in a far end of the pool and you will be able to taste the sweetness in the water. Thus, the more sweet the water tastes, the more you are sucking up feces and urine.
Is this cool or what?
John
|
sharke
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 13933
- Joined: 2012/08/03 00:13:00
- Location: NYC
- Status: offline
Re: Anyone having trouble finding a clean public swimming pool?
2017/06/10 01:00:43
(permalink)
I used to swim 60-80 lengths every morning. But then I realized the chlorine wasn't doing me any good. It's not good for your skin, it stains your teeth and weakens your enamel, and I also read somewhere that your sweat reacts with it to produce a carcinogenic gas which hovers just above the surface of the water so that you get a nice lungful of it every time you come up for air.
I did hear that there are now chlorine-free pools which clean the water via a constant intake through a pipe which zaps it with UV and kills all germs, which sounds great, but then of course you have to consider that if someone does pee or worse in the pool, you might get exposed to that water before it's had a chance to go through the UV pipe.
So I guess there's no way to swim and avoid everyone else's filth. Then again, is anywhere safe? Just think of what you might be sitting in when you take a seat on the bus or train, or what you're touching when you grab a door handle or stair rail.
JamesWindows 10, Sonar SPlat (64-bit), Intel i7-4930K, 32GB RAM, RME Babyface, AKAI MPK Mini, Roland A-800 Pro, Focusrite VRM Box, Komplete 10 Ultimate, 2012 American Telecaster!
|
jude77
Max Output Level: -68 dBFS
- Total Posts : 1146
- Joined: 2013/08/27 21:31:34
- Location: South Saturn Delta
- Status: offline
Re: Anyone having trouble finding a clean public swimming pool?
2017/06/10 02:12:37
(permalink)
So would it considered extreme to wear a hazmat suit 24/7?
You haven't lived until you've taken the Rorschach. Windows 10 Home Edition 64-bit /6th Generation Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6700 Processor (8M Cache, up to 4.0 GHz)/16GB (1x16GB) DDR4 2133MHz SDRAM Memory/ NVIDIA(R) GeForce(R) GT 730 with 2GB DDR3 Graphics Memory/ Dell KB216 Wired Multi-Media Keyboard English Black/ 802.11ac + Bluetooth 4.0/Integrated 7.1 with WAVE MAXXAudio Pro/Wireless 3165 driver
|
craigb
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 41704
- Joined: 2009/01/28 23:13:04
- Location: The Pacific Northwestshire
- Status: offline
Re: Anyone having trouble finding a clean public swimming pool?
2017/06/10 03:03:34
(permalink)
That's it! When I can afford to build my own house, I'm putting in my own lap pool!
Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
|
paulo
Max Output Level: -13 dBFS
- Total Posts : 6218
- Joined: 2007/01/30 05:06:57
- Status: offline
Re: Anyone having trouble finding a clean public swimming pool?
2017/06/10 10:27:06
(permalink)
craigb
That's it! When I can afford to build my own house, I'm putting in my own lap pool!
So you can swim exclusively in your own crap ?
|
paulo
Max Output Level: -13 dBFS
- Total Posts : 6218
- Joined: 2007/01/30 05:06:57
- Status: offline
Re: Anyone having trouble finding a clean public swimming pool?
2017/06/10 10:33:09
(permalink)
sharke
I also read somewhere that your sweat reacts with it to produce a carcinogenic gas which hovers just above the surface of the water so that you get a nice lungful of it every time you come up for air.
And the award for Most Paranoid Thing I've Ever Read On The Internet goes to.......... 
|
jamesg1213
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 21760
- Joined: 2006/04/18 14:42:48
- Location: SW Scotland
- Status: offline
Re: Anyone having trouble finding a clean public swimming pool?
2017/06/10 10:38:43
(permalink)
JohnKenn
For the water worshipers among us.
Anyone see the US based study on 31 public swimming pools? I think CNN first reported it.
End point recommendation was you will be better off swimming in your toilet.
Some of the findings quite inspiring and unique. They did pull back and say that there is no guarantee that swimming in an ocean or lake is any safer, but swimmers beware.
Crux of the report is that public swimming pools are a cess pool of filth. Many bugs rampage thru the chlorine and infect anyway.
Was a plea to moms and kids to shower first, not crap and piss in the water. Yeah right...
My own nefarious past as a kid, was never a thought of walking out of the pool to a toilet. Just piss and everything is diluted.
Wonder of biology is osmotic pressure. Means something more dilute trying to equalize something more concentrated across a permeable membrane. In this case, water on the outside, blood on the inside and skin as the membrane. After a few minutes in the pool, the body gorges with an influx of water that has to go somewhere as the kidneys fill up the bladder to get rid of it.
How many kids Boy Scout's honor are going to void outside the pool.
Interesting things in the study.
Eye irritation in the pool is not from the chlorine, but the interaction with chlorine and urine causing a toxic mix.
Even more inspiring is the touchstone of contamination you can do yourself.
Taste of the pool water. Since kids (and adults) are maybe drinking artificially sweetened cokes and diet drinks, and because the taste sense of these agents is so sensitive, someone pisses or craps in a far end of the pool and you will be able to taste the sweetness in the water. Thus, the more sweet the water tastes, the more you are sucking up feces and urine.
Is this cool or what?
John
For goodness sake. You can spend your entire life reading 'studies' and worrying about stuff like this. Just go for a swim, the benefits from it will far outweigh being in contact with a little bit of wee-wee 
Jyemz Thrombold's Patented Brisk Weather Pantaloonettes with Inclementometer
|
Bhav
Max Output Level: -73 dBFS
- Total Posts : 887
- Joined: 2017/02/17 22:23:00
- Status: offline
Re: Anyone having trouble finding a clean public swimming pool?
2017/06/10 11:07:47
(permalink)
sharke
I used to swim 60-80 lengths every morning. But then I realized the chlorine wasn't doing me any good. It's not good for your skin, it stains your teeth and weakens your enamel, and I also read somewhere that your sweat reacts with it to produce a carcinogenic gas which hovers just above the surface of the water so that you get a nice lungful of it every time you come up for air.
I did hear that there are now chlorine-free pools which clean the water via a constant intake through a pipe which zaps it with UV and kills all germs, which sounds great, but then of course you have to consider that if someone does pee or worse in the pool, you might get exposed to that water before it's had a chance to go through the UV pipe.
So I guess there's no way to swim and avoid everyone else's filth. Then again, is anywhere safe? Just think of what you might be sitting in when you take a seat on the bus or train, or what you're touching when you grab a door handle or stair rail.
Pee is sterile though.
I7 6850k, Asus RV10E, 32 Gb ram, SLI GTX 980 Ti, Creative Soundblaster Z, Yamaha DGX 630, Creative Aurvana Platinum headphones.
|
craigb
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 41704
- Joined: 2009/01/28 23:13:04
- Location: The Pacific Northwestshire
- Status: offline
Re: Anyone having trouble finding a clean public swimming pool?
2017/06/10 14:41:46
(permalink)
paulo
craigb
That's it! When I can afford to build my own house, I'm putting in my own lap pool!
So you can swim exclusively in your own crap ?
Ya.
Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
|
sharke
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 13933
- Joined: 2012/08/03 00:13:00
- Location: NYC
- Status: offline
Re: Anyone having trouble finding a clean public swimming pool?
2017/06/10 14:54:53
(permalink)
paulo
sharke
I also read somewhere that your sweat reacts with it to produce a carcinogenic gas which hovers just above the surface of the water so that you get a nice lungful of it every time you come up for air.
And the award for Most Paranoid Thing I've Ever Read On The Internet goes to..........
http://seas.yale.edu/news...swim-chlorinated-pools
JamesWindows 10, Sonar SPlat (64-bit), Intel i7-4930K, 32GB RAM, RME Babyface, AKAI MPK Mini, Roland A-800 Pro, Focusrite VRM Box, Komplete 10 Ultimate, 2012 American Telecaster!
|
paulo
Max Output Level: -13 dBFS
- Total Posts : 6218
- Joined: 2007/01/30 05:06:57
- Status: offline
Re: Anyone having trouble finding a clean public swimming pool?
2017/06/10 15:53:13
(permalink)
sharke
paulo
sharke
I also read somewhere that your sweat reacts with it to produce a carcinogenic gas which hovers just above the surface of the water so that you get a nice lungful of it every time you come up for air.
And the award for Most Paranoid Thing I've Ever Read On The Internet goes to..........
http://seas.yale.edu/news...swim-chlorinated-pools
I wasn't suggesting that you didn't really read it somewhere, just ...... well ya know..... 
|
sharke
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 13933
- Joined: 2012/08/03 00:13:00
- Location: NYC
- Status: offline
Re: Anyone having trouble finding a clean public swimming pool?
2017/06/10 16:03:56
(permalink)
JamesWindows 10, Sonar SPlat (64-bit), Intel i7-4930K, 32GB RAM, RME Babyface, AKAI MPK Mini, Roland A-800 Pro, Focusrite VRM Box, Komplete 10 Ultimate, 2012 American Telecaster!
|
paulo
Max Output Level: -13 dBFS
- Total Posts : 6218
- Joined: 2007/01/30 05:06:57
- Status: offline
Re: Anyone having trouble finding a clean public swimming pool?
2017/06/10 16:43:39
(permalink)
|
craigb
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 41704
- Joined: 2009/01/28 23:13:04
- Location: The Pacific Northwestshire
- Status: offline
Re: Anyone having trouble finding a clean public swimming pool?
2017/06/10 18:46:52
(permalink)
Hey James, I just read that breathing nitrogen causes cancer and that the water supplies are filled with dihydrogen monoxide! 
Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
|
Bhav
Max Output Level: -73 dBFS
- Total Posts : 887
- Joined: 2017/02/17 22:23:00
- Status: offline
Re: Anyone having trouble finding a clean public swimming pool?
2017/06/10 19:00:37
(permalink)
I7 6850k, Asus RV10E, 32 Gb ram, SLI GTX 980 Ti, Creative Soundblaster Z, Yamaha DGX 630, Creative Aurvana Platinum headphones.
|
sharke
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 13933
- Joined: 2012/08/03 00:13:00
- Location: NYC
- Status: offline
Re: Anyone having trouble finding a clean public swimming pool?
2017/06/10 19:06:59
(permalink)
JamesWindows 10, Sonar SPlat (64-bit), Intel i7-4930K, 32GB RAM, RME Babyface, AKAI MPK Mini, Roland A-800 Pro, Focusrite VRM Box, Komplete 10 Ultimate, 2012 American Telecaster!
|
Bhav
Max Output Level: -73 dBFS
- Total Posts : 887
- Joined: 2017/02/17 22:23:00
- Status: offline
Re: Anyone having trouble finding a clean public swimming pool?
2017/06/10 19:09:04
(permalink)
I could never swim anyway.
Might have been because of inner ear loss of balance thing.
I7 6850k, Asus RV10E, 32 Gb ram, SLI GTX 980 Ti, Creative Soundblaster Z, Yamaha DGX 630, Creative Aurvana Platinum headphones.
|
paulo
Max Output Level: -13 dBFS
- Total Posts : 6218
- Joined: 2007/01/30 05:06:57
- Status: offline
Re: Anyone having trouble finding a clean public swimming pool?
2017/06/10 21:33:13
(permalink)
|
rcklln
Max Output Level: -82 dBFS
- Total Posts : 421
- Joined: 2004/07/02 13:59:32
- Status: offline
Re: Anyone having trouble finding a clean public swimming pool?
2017/06/10 22:21:00
(permalink)
|
timidi
Max Output Level: -21 dBFS
- Total Posts : 5449
- Joined: 2006/04/11 12:55:15
- Location: SE Florida
- Status: offline
Re: Anyone having trouble finding a clean public swimming pool?
2017/06/10 22:41:02
(permalink)
|
JohnKenn
Max Output Level: -58.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 1659
- Joined: 2008/10/26 13:51:52
- Status: offline
Re: Anyone having trouble finding a clean public swimming pool?
2017/06/11 00:33:34
(permalink)
Some dude back there on page one told me to quit being so paranoid and just swim.
Serious good and respected advice about life in general and appreciate the feedback. You are right.
Yet to overcome PTSD from a pool in Lincoln City, Oregon however.
Was doing the under water swim the length of the pool without surfacing or taking a breath challenge.
About three fourths of the way, was caught in the face by a slime mask. About the size of a dinner plate. Mucous and blood blobs and other black clots. Someone had coughed up half of a lung in the pool, floating around for an appropriate recipient. I just happened to be in the way.
All for water aerobics and aquatic exercise. Just never able to go into a public pool after that. Others may have more better experiences.
John
|
DrLumen
Max Output Level: -78 dBFS
- Total Posts : 621
- Joined: 2005/07/05 20:11:34
- Location: North Texas
- Status: offline
Re: Anyone having trouble finding a clean public swimming pool?
2017/06/11 15:10:04
(permalink)
Pool test kits for chlorine and pH are available fairly cheaply from the pool supply and hardware stores. If you have any doubts, you can always check it yourself. It is very easy to do. The safe limits for chlorine and pH are published with the test kits.
Some pools I will not go near. If it is an outdoor pool and you get a strong whiff of chlorine then pass on it. It is likely more chloramine (chlorine and ammonia from pee) than chlorine. Another indication is if the pool looks 'flat'. If it is a little milky and the refracted colors seem dull then there are issue with it. If you see a dog in the pool then that is another warning sign. A dog will sap the chlorine.
All-in-all it depends on who is treating it. If they are shocking correctly, at least once per week, it should be ok but that does depend on the traffic. The larger public pools and private pools, like at the YMCA, are probably safe. At that time in the county I was living all the public pools had to have an operator that was certified by the health dept. The county would also do spot checks. We also had to submit our pool logs once per month. I think this is fairly common now.
-When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.
Sonar Platinum / Intel i7-4790K / AsRock Z97 / 32GB RAM / Nvidia GTX 1060 6GB / Behringer FCA610 / M-Audio Sport 2x4 / Win7 x64 Pro / WDC Black HDD's / EVO 850 SSD's / Alesis Q88 / Boss DS-330 / Korg nanoKontrol / Novation Launch Control / 14.5" Lava Lamp
|
sharke
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 13933
- Joined: 2012/08/03 00:13:00
- Location: NYC
- Status: offline
Re: Anyone having trouble finding a clean public swimming pool?
2017/06/11 16:36:27
(permalink)
JohnKenn
Some dude back there on page one told me to quit being so paranoid and just swim.
Serious good and respected advice about life in general and appreciate the feedback. You are right.
Yet to overcome PTSD from a pool in Lincoln City, Oregon however.
Was doing the under water swim the length of the pool without surfacing or taking a breath challenge.
About three fourths of the way, was caught in the face by a slime mask. About the size of a dinner plate. Mucous and blood blobs and other black clots. Someone had coughed up half of a lung in the pool, floating around for an appropriate recipient. I just happened to be in the way.
All for water aerobics and aquatic exercise. Just never able to go into a public pool after that. Others may have more better experiences.
John
Years ago I was swimming in a public pool and felt something come loose in my ear. The swishing of the water over my ears as I swam had dislodged a large, dark brown lump of ear wax. I managed to pull it out and had it in the palm of my hand, fascinated, as I waded through the shallow end to exit the pool. The looks on people's faces. They might not have guessed it was wax. I think I put a few people off public pools that day.
JamesWindows 10, Sonar SPlat (64-bit), Intel i7-4930K, 32GB RAM, RME Babyface, AKAI MPK Mini, Roland A-800 Pro, Focusrite VRM Box, Komplete 10 Ultimate, 2012 American Telecaster!
|
paulo
Max Output Level: -13 dBFS
- Total Posts : 6218
- Joined: 2007/01/30 05:06:57
- Status: offline
|
JohnKenn
Max Output Level: -58.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 1659
- Joined: 2008/10/26 13:51:52
- Status: offline
Re: Anyone having trouble finding a clean public swimming pool?
2017/06/11 23:36:51
(permalink)
Thanks DrLumen for an accurate statement about what is going on in the pools.
In defense of Sharke, the chloramines in the pool at question come in 3 distinct flavors (egghead chemistry stuff of little concern...) Depends on how aggressive the chlorine can alter the ammonia in the pool. Means how much **** and piss and sweat in the pool relative to the amount of chlorine in there to kill off the filth. Greater density of the ingredients around if you or someone next to you has just emptied bladder or bowels into the closed collective swim space. The macho grade tri amines are definitely suspected as being cancer causing.
Not to worry about dropping dead before you get back to the locker room however.
These chemicals do cause irritation of the eyes and lungs. Like DrLumen said, the smell of chlorine in the pool is not the chlorine additive but the chlorine and ammonia mix byproduct. This can exacerbate asthma or breathing difficulties in prone individuals.
I'd guess that for a healthy individual, the benefit of a good aquatic workout would be greater than the health risk imposed by swimming through chlorinated urine and feces. Most of us swam in public pools and survived to adulthood with little more than red eyes for awhile after.
John
|
DrLumen
Max Output Level: -78 dBFS
- Total Posts : 621
- Joined: 2005/07/05 20:11:34
- Location: North Texas
- Status: offline
Re: Anyone having trouble finding a clean public swimming pool?
2017/06/12 01:47:54
(permalink)
Exactly John. I spent a good part of my youth in pools and I survived albeit with red eyes and a case of swimmers ear. The only real concern from a pool is drowning. In a like vein, I'll take a pool over a river or lake any day. There are some real nasties possible in lakes, ponds, rivers... Brain eating kinda things. A guy recently died after swimming in the gulf. Granted he had a fresh tattoo and was acting ten-foot-tall and bulletproof but he did die from an infection. http://www.today.com/heal...g-fresh-tattoo-t112381
-When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.
Sonar Platinum / Intel i7-4790K / AsRock Z97 / 32GB RAM / Nvidia GTX 1060 6GB / Behringer FCA610 / M-Audio Sport 2x4 / Win7 x64 Pro / WDC Black HDD's / EVO 850 SSD's / Alesis Q88 / Boss DS-330 / Korg nanoKontrol / Novation Launch Control / 14.5" Lava Lamp
|