Anyone know of any issues with using a SSD ?

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2013/03/21 15:32:30 (permalink)

Anyone know of any issues with using a SSD ?

Thinking about upgrading my computer, one of the components would be to get an SSD. Any Sonar issues running on a SSD?


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    Re:Anyone know of any issues with using a SSD ? 2013/03/21 15:37:04 (permalink)
    None that I can think of, but it's best to have a second or possibly third drive for you audio data and samples. SSDs aren't that big. I've had an Intel drive for about 14 months and it works great.
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    Re:Anyone know of any issues with using a SSD ? 2013/03/21 15:43:10 (permalink)
    Yes, I know there not that big, and I plan on keeping my existing hard drive as a secondary. 


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    Re:Anyone know of any issues with using a SSD ? 2013/03/21 15:49:36 (permalink)
    Then go for it.....you system will thank you.
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    Re:Anyone know of any issues with using a SSD ? 2013/03/21 15:51:41 (permalink)
    Top issues: increased system performance and less noise.
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    Re:Anyone know of any issues with using a SSD ? 2013/03/21 16:24:20 (permalink)
    SSDs are SCHWEEEEEEEEEET

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    Re:Anyone know of any issues with using a SSD ? 2013/03/21 16:30:53 (permalink)
    As long as you're running Windows 7 or 8, then you should be fine. XP and Vista don't know how to handle SSD drives.

    Also, upon first installation, don't do a full format, just do a Quick Format instead.

    Other than that, I don't think there any other things to watch out for except the awesome increase in speed you're going to experience. 


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    Re:Anyone know of any issues with using a SSD ? 2013/03/21 16:32:54 (permalink)
    Yes I run Sonar X2 Producer and other Music programs on a OCZ SSD 512 Gb Drive on my Inte I7 3930 CPU,32 Gb Ram. I would sugest however that you be sure and use a backup External USB 3.0 7200 RPM Disk Drive as a backup and especially for storing your completed projects.
     
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    Re:Anyone know of any issues with using a SSD ? 2013/03/21 17:14:40 (permalink)
    If you replace a hard drive with an SSD for your boot drive, be sure to check that Windows does NOT have a defrag scheduled automatically for it. If it does, turn it off.

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    Re:Anyone know of any issues with using a SSD ? 2013/03/21 20:41:10 (permalink)
    I took the SSD leap a few weeks ago and am totally impressed by the results! Absolutely no issues with Sonar. I feel like I bought a whole new computer.

    I had been frustrated with the fact that the more intense EastWest Hollywood Strings libraries would bog down my system. In spite of my powerful computer, I could not utilize the "Powerful System" folders without glitches. EastWest suggests an SSD for best performance, so I started checking around.

    When they first came out, the drives were small and, in my opinion, too expensive. Finally, though, they got bigger and cheaper. 

    I had my eye on Crucial SSD's, and a pro at ADK (where I got my computer) said that people were having success with them. I learned, as well, that I would get the most bang for my buck if I used the SSD as a sample storage/streaming drive, rather than a boot drive.  (Having an SSD as a boot drive would make programs load lightning-fast, but would not solve my sample-streaming problem.)

    I browsed the Web and found a brand new Crucial 512GB SSD on eBay for $315. At that price, it turned out to be the package without a cable or desktop computer mounting adapter, but it was all I needed. I already had a cable, and my ADK computer came with a special SSD mount on the back of the motherboard.

    As advised by ADK, I copied the entire EastWest Hollywood Strings Platinum library onto the new SSD and left Kontakt, SampleTank, Superior Drummer, etc. libraries on my 1TB 7200rpm SATA hard drive. Both this drive and my new SSD are plugged into the only 2 SATA 3 ports on my motherboard. As I understand it, this arrangement allows maximum performance from both sample drives.

    I guess at some point I might spring for a 1TB SSD and put ALL of my samples on it, but my system works so smoothly now that I can't imagine it getting any better.






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    Re:Anyone know of any issues with using a SSD ? 2013/03/21 20:52:06 (permalink)
    I had an $800 one fail on me, so make sure you look at reliability of whichever brands you are considering.

    And for SURE, make sure you back that drive up on a regular basis, just in case.

    Other than that, you will LOVE it.

    I can say that I made a choice to fully return the failed one, instead of replacing it with another SSD, because I found the SATA 3 regular drives plenty fast for Sonar, and the $700 I saved by buying a $100 2 TB SATA 3 drive was put to good use - I bought a 46" HDTV which becmse my primary computer display, AND had enough money left to almost fully pay for an XBOX 360.

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    Re:Anyone know of any issues with using a SSD ? 2013/03/21 20:58:34 (permalink)
    melmyers
    I guess at some point I might spring for a 1TB SSD and put ALL of my samples on it, but my system works so smoothly now that I can't imagine it getting any better.
    You'll actually get better performance by putting each large library on a separate drive (if you have enough SATA connections). That way the PC can stream all the libraries simultaneously instead of trying to pull all that data from a single drive over a single SATA cable.


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    Re:Anyone know of any issues with using a SSD ? 2013/03/21 23:22:34 (permalink)
    If you plan to use the SSD for the OS/applications, you'll see a small improvement.
    Apps load a little quicker... and Windows is a little snappier.

    Where SSD *really* shines is disk-streaming sample libraries... where you're looking to achieve 500+ notes of polyphony.

    Fast SATA-III SSDs are sustaining ~520MB/Sec on reads.
    That's about 3 times the spead of the fastest conventional HDs.

    As mentioned above, if you're using the SSD for the OS/apps, don't expect a 3x faster user experience.
    That's not going to happen...

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    Re:Anyone know of any issues with using a SSD ? 2013/03/21 23:26:47 (permalink)
    One other thing to note about SSDs:
    To achieve speeds of 500+MB/Sec, you'll want to connect the SSD to an Intel SATA-III controller.
    3rd party SATA-III controllers typically result in lower performance.

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    Re:Anyone know of any issues with using a SSD ? 2013/03/21 23:33:24 (permalink)
    Connecting to an Intel controller wont be a problem.  I work at Intel so I plan on buying an Intel Motherboard, Intel cpu and Intel SSD. 


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    Re:Anyone know of any issues with using a SSD ? 2013/03/21 23:37:20 (permalink)
    Connecting to an Intel controller wont be a problem.  I work at Intel so I plan on buying an Intel Motherboard, Intel cpu and Intel SSD. 



    There you go...
    You might not want to go so far as using an Intel (brand) motherboard.   
    Many motherboards offer additional SATA-III controllers (for more SATA ports).
    These work... but typically reduce the performance of the fastest SSDs.
    For connecting conventional HDs, they work fine.


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    Re:Anyone know of any issues with using a SSD ? 2013/03/22 08:19:14 (permalink)

    redbarchetta, I also looked long and hard at this board before finally going with my ASUS P9X79 WS motherboard.

    I can undertand a certain loyalty to Intel (especially if you work for them :-)
    but take the time to look at the competition, read what people have to say about them, compare specs.

    I did go with a 520 series Intel SSD though, they have the best reputation of all.


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    Re:Anyone know of any issues with using a SSD ? 2013/03/22 09:52:13 (permalink)
    NO known issues but you have to take care of ahci.
    Google for it you will find alot of answers.
    good luck
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    Re:Anyone know of any issues with using a SSD ? 2013/03/22 22:52:59 (permalink)
    Quick question guys. On replacing and extant system drive with a new SSD, can I simply image my system directly on to the SSD? I seem to recall something about having to run some other app in order to allocate sectors or some-such. Am I confused? Cheers David

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    Re:Anyone know of any issues with using a SSD ? 2013/03/22 23:45:39 (permalink)
    Jim Roseberry

    As mentioned above, if you're using the SSD for the OS/apps, don't expect a 3x faster user experience.
    That's not going to happen...

    Except for boot-time. Boot time is 2-3 times faster with an OS on SSD.





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    Re:Anyone know of any issues with using a SSD ? 2013/03/23 03:36:44 (permalink)
    iam not an expert but i try to help.
    ok
    most of the ssd drives come with their own software for such tasks.
    i think direct copy won't function because of MBR files (Bootstring) they are ussually hidden.
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    Re:Anyone know of any issues with using a SSD ? 2013/03/25 22:53:09 (permalink)
    Soooo, ok I think i'm sold on having the SSD as my storage drive only. I was not sure which way I wanted to go with the SSD.. Have it my primary drive, or the drive I put all the libraries and what not onto... Well, after getting the Metal Foundry pack from Toon Track, I can see why I would want all libs and what not on an SSD. 


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    Re:Anyone know of any issues with using a SSD ? 2013/03/26 00:20:00 (permalink)
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    Quick question guys. On replacing and extant system drive with a new SSD, can I simply image my system directly on to the SSD? I seem to recall something about having to run some other app in order to allocate sectors or some-such. Am I confused? Cheers David

    Hi FS - I attempted this with an older tool (Terabyte Unlimited) and it failed miserably. I searched and found a tool from Paragon Software that specifically advertised the desired feature "Migrate OS to SSD". It worked flawlessly. It even took care of the "Page Alignment" issue that is crucial to the proper low-level format of the volume partition on the SSD. They make a variety of products that can handle the job - some that do the OS migration only, and a full hard-disk management suite (which I went for). Migrated several system drives now from HDD to SSD.
     
    Other newer products may work just fine, but I can vouch for PHDM Suite here.

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    Re:Anyone know of any issues with using a SSD ? 2013/03/26 09:14:05 (permalink)
    I'm sure as an Intel employee you already know this, but Intel recently announced their departure from the MOBO market. Maybe worth thinking about with regards to future chipset compability / upgarde paths etc.

    Prob won't be an issue but just thought I'd point it out.

    Thanks
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    Re:Anyone know of any issues with using a SSD ? 2013/03/26 10:58:14 (permalink)
    Hey Dean, yeah I know we are moving away from it. Doesn't really change things for me though. Gotta support my 401K 


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    Re:Anyone know of any issues with using a SSD ? 2013/03/26 21:25:43 (permalink)
    Losguy: Thanks for the heads-up. Cheers, David

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    Re:Anyone know of any issues with using a SSD ? 2013/03/26 21:41:47 (permalink)
    You bet, David. Wish you (and the OP!) the best of success with the OS to SSD migration. On that topic, once you are done, there are some housekeeping tasks to perform:
     
    First of all, refresh the Windows Experience Index (talking Win 7 here...) to let Windows "know" your updated hardware capability. IIUC it also makes some low-level settings that are appropriate to SSDs.
     
    You can then verify that the Page Alignment is correct here:
    http://whirlpool.net.au/wiki/checking_ssd_alignment
     
    You also want to make sure that TRIM is enabled:
    http://lifehacker.com/5640971/check-if-trim-is-enabled-for-your-solid-state-drive-in-windows-7
     
    Good luck and Godspeed!

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