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2014/04/10 03:47:48 (permalink)

Anyone up for a guitar mixing challenge?



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Re: Anyone up for a guitar mixing challenge? 2014/04/10 03:50:54 (permalink)
Whatever happened to engineers placing a 57 "somewhere" in front of the cab...

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Re: Anyone up for a guitar mixing challenge? 2014/04/10 04:53:34 (permalink)
This backline is easier to mic!
 


 
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Re: Anyone up for a guitar mixing challenge? 2014/04/10 04:56:31 (permalink)

From the front.

 
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Re: Anyone up for a guitar mixing challenge? 2014/04/10 05:22:17 (permalink)
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From the front.




 
Hey, I recognize that flag - this was taken "back home"...
The amps probably belong to the party - no one's allowed to be financially (or even just socially) successful enough to own that many amp back there...

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Re: Anyone up for a guitar mixing challenge? 2014/04/10 05:25:50 (permalink)
AH HAH! I knew it! ROCK SHOWS! All smoke 'n mirrors phony stacks!
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Re: Anyone up for a guitar mixing challenge? 2014/04/10 08:15:20 (permalink)
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I'm impressed that Rain got another tour through CJ's studio.
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Re: Anyone up for a guitar mixing challenge? 2014/04/10 11:02:07 (permalink)
pfft.  what's to mix????  it's all going thru a mixer down to stereo out!

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Re: Anyone up for a guitar mixing challenge? 2014/04/10 11:29:04 (permalink)
i guarantee it will sound of sh!te

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Re: Anyone up for a guitar mixing challenge? 2014/04/10 11:32:23 (permalink)
There's a lid for every pot...and a mic for every speaker? Or is it a speaker for every mic?

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Re: Anyone up for a guitar mixing challenge? 2014/04/10 16:03:12 (permalink)
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Looks like they missed a couple.  That could make ALL the difference!

 
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Re: Anyone up for a guitar mixing challenge? 2014/04/10 16:07:40 (permalink)
 




 
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Re: Anyone up for a guitar mixing challenge? 2014/04/10 16:18:28 (permalink)
It certainly looks like he's going to get "More of ME in the mix!" (as the t-shirt says).

 
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Re: Anyone up for a guitar mixing challenge? 2014/04/11 09:51:18 (permalink)
Hi,
 
I can tell you with 100% assurance that the Grateful Dead's setup was not FAKE!
 
Btw, is that from Spinal Tap that you are showing? I remember seeing that but don't know where.
 
Unless a guitar player was using effects silly, and multi layering things, like Manuel Gottsching has been doing for 35 years on guitar, I doubt that most folks with a guitar would need that much! Of course, we did not see Strummy do his thing yet, so we just don't know ... !!!

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Re: Anyone up for a guitar mixing challenge? 2014/04/11 11:36:48 (permalink)
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Hi,
 
I can tell you with 100% assurance that the Grateful Dead's setup was not FAKE!
 
Btw, is that from Spinal Tap that you are showing? I remember seeing that but don't know where.
 
Unless a guitar player was using effects silly, and multi layering things, like Manuel Gottsching has been doing for 35 years on guitar, I doubt that most folks with a guitar would need that much! Of course, we did not see Strummy do his thing yet, so we just don't know ... !!!




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i think this is pretty typical, especially for metal shows.
 
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Re: Anyone up for a guitar mixing challenge? 2014/04/11 14:53:43 (permalink)
Moshkiae
Hi,
 
Unless a guitar player was using effects silly, and multi layering things, like Manuel Gottsching has been doing for 35 years on guitar, I doubt that most folks with a guitar would need that much! 



No guitarist needs that much.  I remember talking with Walter Trout about Stevie Ray Vaughn and he remembers when Stevie started all he used was just a single Fender Twin.  Then (at that time) he was combining about ten different amps together but, in Walter's opinion, he still sounded just the same.
 
There are a few reasons to have multiple cabs mic'ed.  One is if you run a wet/dry system where the effects come out of one set of cabs while the uneffected signal comes out a different set.  Another (which I like to do since I handle the wet/dry level in my G-Force), is to dual-amp where one amp is set cleaner and the other handles the distorted tones (this was how Alex Lifeson from Rush was able to get such wonderfully defined "thick" sounds).  A third reason is far more practical.  You mic a couple of speakers in case one blows.  A fourth option happens when you have cabs loaded with different speakers (my 2x12 is currently loaded with a Vintage 30 and a G12H30 70th Year Anniversary Special for example).  Finally, at large concerts, there's usually a backup amp that's not plugged in but there in case something happens to the primary amp.
 
So, if you were a complete guitar freak, I suppose the following scenario is possible:
 
- You have both both a primary and a backup system wired up (two outputs per)
- You run a dual-amp system (two outputs per)
- Each amp has its own wet/dry channels (two outputs per)
- Each 4x12 cab is loaded with two types of speakers (two outputs per)
- You mic both speakers of each type just in case one blows (two outputs per).
 
So now you have 2 * 2 * 2 * 2 * 2 (or 2^5) which comes to 32 mic'ed speakers!  Pretty wild yet that top picture has more than 16 speakers mic'ed so there you go!
 
Oooo...  I just thought of three more reasons for multiple mics.  The first is that there are multiple locations for the mic (close - touching the screen, near - a few inches away, far - up to several feet away).  The second is for multiple directions that the mic can point (direct to the cab, at an angle, 90 degrees away from the screen).  The third is having different types of mics (bands like Plankton use both a dynamic mic with a ribbon mic).
 
I'll leave it up to someone else to figure out all those permutations. 

 
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Re: Anyone up for a guitar mixing challenge? 2014/04/15 20:46:40 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Rain 2014/04/16 13:03:37
I can tell you with 100% assurance that the Grateful Dead's setup was not FAKE!
Owsley Stanley's Wall Of Sound! Yep, it was real (or unreal) LOL.
 
Don't you wish those empty cabinets would fall over at a show one day... that would be funny!
 
As for the OP, I didn't know Eric Johnson was making a new album...
 
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Re: Anyone up for a guitar mixing challenge? 2014/04/16 08:07:36 (permalink)
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I'll leave it up to someone else to figure out all those permutations. 



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