Anyone use Mirillis Action for screen recording Sonar? Will I be able to use ASIO?

I'm on the verge of making a few necessary purchases. One of which is screen capture software that I've needed for a loooon time. I've recently discovered a highly rated program for recording video games (as well as regular desktop vids... so recording stuff like Sonar which is what I'd be using it for).
 
So I'm wondering...
 
a) if anyone is using Mirillis to record Sonar could they maybe give an opinion on it? If it can record newfangled video games in high quality I figure it should do pretty well with Sonar... but of course IDK.
 
b) I've tried to wrap my head around this before but could never figure it all out. Will I be able to use ASIO mode in Sonar for playback, recording, etc while still being able to record a voice over into the video program or will I be forced to use one of the other driver modes? Maybe there is some kind of workaround? Just want to start trying to understand this type of stuff before I actually have the software so I'm not stuck in front of the computer with a thumb up my butt yelling at clouds.
 
And yeah... I'd really rather have Camtasia but Mirillis is like $40 and Camtasia is $300.
 
Thanks. Hope eveyone is have a good day.
 
Cheers.
 
PS: I'm sorry if this is in the wrong forum BUT there is a very heavy Sonar component here as in I need to know if it is going to work with Sonar AND this will lead to (hopefully) some nice beginner tuts and tours of Sonar if I can figure it out.
 
 

mudgel
Get a program called Voicemeeter (Donationware) and you'll be able to use ASIO with Sonar.

It's a multi virtual audio cable program that allows you to create and route virtual streams of audio.

Cool. I saw another thread (similar to this) where Voicemeeter was mentioned so I went to check it out. Still wasn't sure whether I could keep Sonar in ASIO mode after watching a few demonstrations so this is good news.
 
I am resistant to doing too much dorking around but the alternatives would be even more dorking around (like I was literally thinking maybe I would record my voice into a completely different computer and try to sync it all up later... unpleasant).
 
Thanks.

I use Hypercam.

Just checked Hypercam and it's now free. Wow! Just in your price range beep.

There are a number of online intro video creators that can make intros for cheap. Search on video intro creator. Dump the music and add your own of course !

My VoiceMeeter is set up a bit differently from your helpful video Shellsta. Mostly the same, but I have the system Playback Device set to my audio interface out system Recording device set to the audio interface input. I don't use a Sonar track for the voice over, it's recorded directly from VoiceMeeter. My screen recorder is set to record system out. It works for me.
 
I'd love to get the voice over through Sonar so it could be separately EQ'd but when I use your setup I get an audio loop or doubling on the voice over. 

Thanks for the vid and extra info. I was totally following that and I don't think I'd be recording the voiceover into/through Sonar but it was a peek into some of the guts.
 
I guess ideally I'd want to leave everything as is on my system (I have my Focusrite 18i6 set as the default sound device in system settings... so everything gets processed through it).
 
It probably doesn't work like this (because everything I've seen on Voicemeeter so far requires VM to be the main sys audio device) but if I could somehow make the following (or something similar) happen then it would awesome.
 
1) 18i6 is running Sonar and system sounds normally.
 
2) In Voicemeeter one channel is taking output from Sonar via the main outs (like I guess I would just select the mains on the 18i6)
 
3) Using an unused input on the 18i6 I connect my voiceover mic and maybe use the Focusrite headphone monitoring stuff (which I think allows me to send out signal independently of the mains on it's own channel... not sure because I've never used it)
 
4) In voice meter those would eb the two inputs (both coming from the 18i6... so Input 1 is taking the signal from the mains and Input 2 is taking the voiceover signal from the spare channel on the 18i6 routed via a headphone bus in the Scralettmix software).
 
5) I'm guessing that should result in those two signals being mixed and outputted via Voicemeeter's main output
 
6) In the screen recording software I set it to accept the output from Voicemeeter which ideally would result in the sound from Sonar and the sound from my voiceover getting recorded on to the video.
 
Does any of that sound like something that might work? If not I'll just poke at it all until I figure something out but that is, I think, ideally how I'd like it setup.
 
I guess I'd also have to figure out how to get general system sounds (like if I were to use another program) to go through voicemeeter to the vid recorder. Not sure if having the mains on the 18i6 sent to VM then sent to the Screen recorder would cover that naturally because all my computers audio comes from the 18i6 or if I'd have to do some other wierdness.
 
Anyway... just trying to wrap my head around how this "virtual" routing works between programs.
 
Thanks again for the vid/info.

Beagle
Just to clear something up...
 
the ASIO protocol does not prevent more than one software from accessing the soundcard, it prevents more than one soundcard from being accessed by the software (an "exception" is where the software is written to make more than one soundcard look like 1 soundcard).
 
so, as long as the software itself uses ASIO protocols then there's no problem with more than one software program accessing the soundcard through ASIO.
 
that's why you can run your windows media player at the same time you run Sonar at the same time you're playing youtube on your browser...etc.

That's... weird. I could have sworn that Sonar would boot WMP (or whatever) off the ASIO device and vice versa. I think I've had it happen. Then again I've avoided doing it for so long and I was not very bright when (and if) that takeover action of the soundcard happened that maybe I was doing something else dumb.
 
In fact maybe it was more a matter of mismatched samplerate/bit depth settings. Like WMP was trying to play something at 44.1/16 and Sonar was set to 48/24.
 
Hmm...
 
That does kind of change things I guess.
 
Maybe I wouldn't have to touch Voicemeeter at all if that's the case. If the video program takes sound from the default device then I just set it to take the main outs of the Scarlett, input my voiceover mic to an input channel on the Scarlett I don't intend to use in Sonar and use Sonar normally (which should then also send sound to the vid program when it's open. Then it's just a matter of making sure my levels are mixed properly before I begin recording (which admittedly is not ideal).
 
Of course I have probably totally twisted that concept and that won't work at all but it's something to try... once I have it all installed of course.... which I don't.
 
Thanks.

Beep - I may not have fully understood your hypothetical scenario above but when I attempted to replicate it could not get the sound recorded to the video capture. If your Audio Interface is capable/has slots, I know people have been successful with a physical loopback cable. There are also other virtual solutions available (but not many that I've seen).
 
Beagle - (without Voicemeeter) I haven't been able to record both mic and synth/instrument to video capture. With ASIO driver mode, Sonar (and assumingly other DAWs) only allows you to choose the same input and output device. The DAW talks direct to the ASIO driver/device and doesn't present itself to the Windows device layer, which is where the video capture looks for it's source devices. (happy to be schooled).
 
Voicemeeter solution is low latency, cheap, versatile and works. It is also very easy to put back to your ASIO direct setup if you want to (i.e, just use it whilst recording videos/Sonar) - change Sonar Prefs / Windows default devices.
 
I have no affiliation to VB-Audio / Voicemeeter - nor no incentive to promote it.

Yeah - I read a Camtasia forum thread
a. barating TechSmith for dragging the chain for years on providing ASIO support despite it being on their radar (and despite it's price/status)
b. saying that
  b1. most(/all(?)) video capture doesn't cater for ASIO natively, instead calling WDM devices.
  b2. even when Audio Interface ASIO drivers cater for it by providing a WDM conduit - they are often poorly implemented. 
 
Ahh yes - I recall setting the 'share drivers' setting at one point (I can't recall what but it did 'fix' something). I just checked and it's no longer set. More scenarios to test ... and report back on.

ShellstaX
Reporting back ...
 
Setting the 'Share Drivers' ON created more issues than it resolved.
1. ... and likely why I switched it off in the first place ... to get realtime audio response from the microphone/Input Echo On - I had to be focused on the Sonar Window.
2. Latencies were more apparent.
3. Each screen recording initiation reset the Windows playback/record volumes to 50% ... and it wasn't loud enough regardless when elevated.
4. ... And the biggest issue - whilst I could hear 'live' Z3TA+ 2 synth ... it was never recorded to the video capture (Microphone input was).
 
In hindsight - I've been through all this before. ... leading me to the Voicemeeter solution which suits my needs.

good info!

I think Win10 has a screen capture feature built in.
 
Hold the windows key and press G.