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Anyone use X2 with Adobe Premier Elements?
I'm starting a new project creating some YouTube tech video's. Pretty simple, so I'm thinking going with Premier and using X2 for the voice over stuff.
If you have any tips please jump in.
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Re: Anyone use X2 with Adobe Premier Elements?
2013/07/05 10:40:00
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sony vegas pro. try the free version for 30 days. much easier to get into than ppro.
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Re: Anyone use X2 with Adobe Premier Elements?
2013/07/05 15:14:33
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Regardless of which editor you go with, the principals are the same. I would offer that vegas is easier to pick up for the beginner but premier does offer a bit more overall. I have taught premiere even when I did not like it and most picked it up easily.
As far as using with Sonar, since the rpograms do not interface directly, it will be a matter of processing audio in sonar and then exporting to wav format to be imported into premiere.
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Re: Anyone use X2 with Adobe Premier Elements?
2013/07/05 15:22:08
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If you think it would be helpful, I could walk through my workflow for different video scenarios if you think it would help
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Re: Anyone use X2 with Adobe Premier Elements?
2013/07/05 16:15:22
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Hi, dub... Just taking a look at Premiere Elements and liking the price. I've never used video stuff before. How would one use Sonar to score a video in conjunction with Premiere? Like say I wanted to do a soundtrack and have orchestral stabs to accompany physical actions on screen or if I wanted to do foley type work that syncs up to the vid? Also what about VSTs like compressors for sidechaining so the music levels drop when there is dialog? Are they supported?
Just curious is all. Might start messing with this type of thing in the future. Cheers.
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Re: Anyone use X2 with Adobe Premier Elements?
2013/07/05 16:52:23
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I'd like to know more about this actually, in terms of syncing vid and audio. I have premiere elements 11 and X2 and would live to know how to go about time coding things... Like what them there pros do ;-)
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Re: Anyone use X2 with Adobe Premier Elements?
2013/07/05 18:23:30
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Beep..vst support for premiere is so-so at best and I don't think element supports vst at all. For pro this is no big deal since it integrates well with audition. Imho audio work in premiere is for the most part limited to simple tasks like laying already made soundbeds and effects and mixing them with vo and dialog. A more useful workflow for what you wish to accomplish would be to export your video from premiere to sonar, do all of your audio work and then import mastered final mix into premiere.
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Re: Anyone use X2 with Adobe Premier Elements?
2013/07/05 18:26:13
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The pro version does offer very useful features for synching audio from multiple sources. A common example would be synching on camera audio with either audio recorded simultaneously via seperate recording or an ADR verion of audio that needs to replace orginal sound
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Re: Anyone use X2 with Adobe Premier Elements?
2013/07/05 18:33:11
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☄ Helpfulby wizard71 2013/07/05 19:05:34
Bibs..were you referring to visual timecode or something like SMPTE? Elements cannote generate time code. It does tones and bars and that's about it. Elements was designed for hobbyists. Synching in elements is mostly manual using tried and tru methods like visually matching up waveforms or cue sounds like a clapboard.
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Re: Anyone use X2 with Adobe Premier Elements?
2013/07/05 19:11:38
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dubdisciple
Bibs..were you referring to visual timecode or something like SMPTE? Elements cannote generate time code. It does tones and bars and that's about it. Elements was designed for hobbyists. Synching in elements is mostly manual using tried and tru methods like visually matching up waveforms or cue sounds like a clapboard.
Thanks for answer. I was thinking anything that helped me score music to picture that I could hand to a 3rd party with me knowing that the music would all be in the right places without detailed instruction. I have adobe after effects, is something possible with this? Sorry, complete noob at this picture lark!
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Re: Anyone use X2 with Adobe Premier Elements?
2013/07/05 21:23:51
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After affects generates time code and also reads time code embedded in many native file formats. The downside is after effects is awful for editing. It is a lower end ( relative to products like Nuke, Flame, Eyeon Fusion, etc) compositing and motion graphics tool meant to be used in conjunction with an editor. Premier pro does read and write code as well. My answer previously was in regard to the fact that you have elements. Most After Effects users have more robust editors than element.
No need to apologize for being new. :) We Ll have tons to learn.
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Re: Anyone use X2 with Adobe Premier Elements?
2013/07/05 21:23:52
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After affects generates time code and also reads time code embedded in many native file formats. The downside is after effects is awful for editing. It is a lower end ( relative to products like Nuke, Flame, Eyeon Fusion, etc) compositing and motion graphics tool meant to be used in conjunction with an editor. Premier pro does read and write code as well. My answer previously was in regard to the fact that you have elements. Most After Effects users have more robust editors than element. No need to apologize for being new. :) We all have tons to learn.
post edited by dubdisciple - 2013/07/06 12:49:43
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Re: Anyone use X2 with Adobe Premier Elements?
2013/07/07 05:16:36
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I spent some time and tried lots of demos. Sony Vegas Movie Maker seemed to be a very good value at $45. It recognizes my Quad Capture and VST's and is set up for quickly doing what I need. Only draw back is just about everything I tried was 32 bit. I was quite surprised.
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Re: Anyone use X2 with Adobe Premier Elements?
2013/07/07 07:30:35
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wizard71
I'd like to know more about this actually, in terms of syncing vid and audio. I have premiere elements 11 and X2 and would live to know how to go about time coding things... Like what them there pros do ;-)
Bibs
Just use a clapper board! That's what the pros have been using for years! 
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Re: Anyone use X2 with Adobe Premier Elements?
2013/07/07 11:52:08
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Ampfixer. Considering that the enttire audio portion of the program is practically unchanged since the program was owned by sonic foundry, it being 32 bit is no surprise. None of Sony's audio programs are 64 bit. On a positive note, it does not impact much on a practical level. I think Vegas movie studio is more than sufficientfor most hobbyist needs.
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Re: Anyone use X2 with Adobe Premier Elements?
2013/07/07 11:55:34
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They have plugins like Pluraleyes that help synch audio but it is still best to record in a way that enables manual syching to be easy. I still use a clapboard despite knowing premiere pro or audition will automatically synch most of my clips
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Re: Anyone use X2 with Adobe Premier Elements?
2013/07/08 00:22:14
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I've got Adobe Premiere Elements, Sony Vegas and some of their variants, plus I have a bunch of others (CyberLink Power Director, Pinnacle 16 Ultimate, Corel VideoStudio, etc.), but for my money, I really like Vegas over all of them. I'm using the 64-bit Sony Vegas Movie Studio Platinum 12 Suite with some plugins from NewBlueFX. Vegas Movie Studio is the most DAW-like type of video software and does not seem sluggish like a lot of the others. I use it mainly to record videos of our band and use sometimes three cameras lining up the audio tracks to sync them using one good stereo mic attached to one of the camerasfor the main sound, all in 720p or 1080p. I discard the audio from the other cameras as soon as I lock in the two (or three) video tracks together. Works great. Plural Eyes is cool, but expensive. I'm not even sure about its compatibility. Once you get them sync'd up manually with the peaks, it's pretty smooth sailing from there.
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Re: Anyone use X2 with Adobe Premier Elements?
2013/07/08 01:26:34
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Vegas was the first video editor I used regularly and was easy for the reason digimidi mentioned..it was very DAW-like because it was an audio App first. digimidi does bring up two good points, one intentionally and one just by chance. It is pretty easy to synch up things manually just looking at peaks regardless of which program you go with. The unintentional pojnt was when he mentioned expense. To a hobbyist who paid under $100 for ediing software, Pluaraleyes seems expensive. To a person who makes their living doing this and likely has an editor that closer to $1000, the time on one big project alone pays for it with hours saved. I did a music video recently for a rapper where we recorded him performing the song at least 12 times. Synching them manually was not hard but took time. Pluraleyes literally syncs all those takes instantly. For someone doing this on a regular basis, $200ish is more than worthwhile especially since it is likely one of the least expensive things in your arsenal. Ironically though, more and more software is bundling this feature in.
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Re: Anyone use X2 with Adobe Premier Elements?
2013/07/08 01:31:00
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This should gove you an idea how easy it is to manually sync in elements...or any other NLE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_vRTbLn4lk I would suggest using a marker instead of keyframes (keyframes and to render times and is unneccessary in the way he is using it)
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Re: Anyone use X2 with Adobe Premier Elements?
2013/07/08 08:54:21
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Unless something has changed very recently, I find it very irksome that Premiere Pro does not support BPM for time code in its editor, which makes it irritating for making music-synced vids. Thats off topic, it just irks me :D
Going back to the OP's question, I'd go for doing all the work in the video editor and not use Sonar, unless you're generating a music backing track to play under it. Make the music as normal, export to .WAV, import to your video editor. If you're doing voiceover stuff, do that directly into the editor. Premiere will let you layer so you can get the right level of voice over the music, and while its mixing facilities are basic, they are more than adequate for getting the balance between voice-over and background music (if you're using any).
Sorry can't offer anything on Vegas as never used that.
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Re: Anyone use X2 with Adobe Premier Elements?
2013/07/08 13:21:44
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Unless something has changed very recently, I find it very irksome that Premiere Pro does not support BPM for time code in its editor, which makes it irritating for making music-synced vids. Thats off topic, it just irks me :D
Going back to the OP's question, I'd go for doing all the work in the video editor and not use Sonar, unless you're generating a music backing track to play under it. Make the music as normal, export to .WAV, import to your video editor. If you're doing voiceover stuff, do that directly into the editor. Premiere will let you layer so you can get the right level of voice over the music, and while its mixing facilities are basic, they are more than adequate for getting the balance between voice-over and background music (if you're using any).
Sorry can't offer anything on Vegas as never used that.
It's not off-topic at all and you are not the only person who has made that request. There are plugins that help with that sort of thing especially if you are also using After Effects. My solution for this depends on how critical timing has to be. If it does not have to sync down to the nanosecond, I simply let the music play through and create markers by taping the shortcut for marker to the beat (In Vegas it is "M" and in Premiere prior to CC it is the "*" key). It literally takes the length of the song to set up your marks. If ultra precise timing is needed I typically use a script in After Effects.
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Re: Anyone use X2 with Adobe Premier Elements?
2013/07/08 17:47:53
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After checking out the options I realized that it was way easier to ditch Sonar for this work. Vegas Movie Studio and Premier both pick up the hardware correctly and Vegas also picks up all my VST plugs. All the work will get done in Vegas while Sonar watches from the sidelines. I tried importing some video into SOnar and it was a pain and added more complications. Definitely not the way to go if you are a noob like me.
Thanks to all for sharing your insights.
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Re: Anyone use X2 with Adobe Premier Elements?
2013/07/08 18:20:49
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dubdisciple
Roo StercogburnUnless something has changed very recently, I find it very irksome that Premiere Pro does not support BPM for time code in its editor, which makes it irritating for making music-synced vids. Thats off topic, it just irks me :D Going back to the OP's question, I'd go for doing all the work in the video editor and not use Sonar, unless you're generating a music backing track to play under it. Make the music as normal, export to .WAV, import to your video editor. If you're doing voiceover stuff, do that directly into the editor. Premiere will let you layer so you can get the right level of voice over the music, and while its mixing facilities are basic, they are more than adequate for getting the balance between voice-over and background music (if you're using any). Sorry can't offer anything on Vegas as never used that.
It's not off-topic at all and you are not the only person who has made that request. There are plugins that help with that sort of thing especially if you are also using After Effects. My solution for this depends on how critical timing has to be. If it does not have to sync down to the nanosecond, I simply let the music play through and create markers by taping the shortcut for marker to the beat (In Vegas it is "M" and in Premiere prior to CC it is the "*" key). It literally takes the length of the song to set up your marks. If ultra precise timing is needed I typically use a script in After Effects.
Thanks for answering my questions too, very much appreciated, learnt some great tips. Bibs
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Re: Anyone use X2 with Adobe Premier Elements?
2013/07/08 20:43:24
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Good luck to both of you. I use Sonar for mastering and mixing my audio for video but I plan to start doing some experents with audiosnap with ADR to see if it trims some time. Audition and premiere's sync feature works great when audio source is identical but on seperate tracks but fails when source drifts. Yiur talent ends up sounding like T-Pain.
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