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Anyone using Audacity?
Hi, Is anyone here using Audacity for an audio editor? Specifically - has anyone tried running it from the SONAR tools menu? I did a registry hack, and it loads up fine - from within SONAR (well it complains about not being able to load a overlay file - but it seems to work fine). If you edit the SONAR clip, it wants to save the file as an audacity project file though. You can "export" to a WAV file - but I'm not sure where SONAR saves the "tool_copy..." files that it uses while editing with an external editor. I don't think this is going to work... I'm just looking for an alternative to Adobe Audition 3. Audition is working fine - but I'm just scouting around for future options - as this version of Audition is not going to work forever on current operating systems - and I'll be damned if I'm going to "subscribe" to the current version - just to edit some stereo WAV files occasionally. Audacity is free - so I was having a look. It's not a bad editor - but I really want to run it from within SONAR sometimes... (I guess I'll have to keep Audition for now...)
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Re: Anyone using Audacity?
2013/11/11 17:02:31
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Have not looked at Audicity but here are a couple of free editors that work fine within SONAR WaveshopWavosaur
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Re: Anyone using Audacity?
2013/11/11 21:14:55
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I tried using it this way years ago but the problem is that it creates a proprietary project file instead of wave files. Sonar only works with an external editor when it can pass and receive a wave file.
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Re: Anyone using Audacity?
2013/11/12 00:46:43
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scook Have not looked at Audicity but here are a couple of free editors that work fine within SONAR Waveshop Wavosaur
The nice thing about Wavosaur is that it handles loops in wav files, which Audacity doesn't.
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Re: Anyone using Audacity?
2013/11/12 01:46:36
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If you're happy to pay for a wave editor you can't go past Sound Forge 11. It's still not 64bit but it's plugins are for compatibility to Vegas 12 which is 64bit. It's an exceptional program. Sony have 30% off special online at the moment.
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Re: Anyone using Audacity?
2013/11/12 04:43:13
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You know, think it bold of me but I'd near expect Sonar to have audio editing capability by now. What you can with clips is impressive but to be able to edit would be grand. Something expanding along the lines of Loop maker or even incorporating one into Sonar. I'll try those links put up by Scook. Thanks Maybe it is all that is needed.
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Re: Anyone using Audacity?
2013/11/12 07:56:23
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Thanks for the tips. I dot mind paying - but not £200+, as I dont do all that much with it. I've been lookin at NCH Wavepad - and I'll check out those other freebies...
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Re: Anyone using Audacity?
2013/11/12 09:52:14
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mudgel If you're happy to pay for a wave editor you can't go past Sound Forge 11. It's still not 64bit but it's plugins are for compatibility to Vegas 12 which is 64bit. It's an exceptional program. Sony have 30% off special online at the moment.
Hi Mudgel, I went to the Sony Store after reading this but I couldn't find the discount... Bummer
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Re: Anyone using Audacity?
2013/11/12 10:12:04
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I'm perfectly happy with AA3, which does everything I can imagine ever needing from an audio editor. Yes, it's old, but it's not like it'll just stop working anytime soon. I did just try invoking audacity (from a DOS command line, not from SONAR) with a wave file pathname as an argument, and it worked (it's the only command line argument Audacity supports). That, AFAIK, is the only prerequisite for compatibility with SONAR. Wavosaur is another one that accepts a pathname as a command line argument.
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Re: Anyone using Audacity?
2013/11/12 10:19:49
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☄ Helpfulby slartabartfast 2013/11/13 21:18:02
So what is it you would do in an audio editor that you couldn't do in Sonar, or prefer to do in an editor?
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Re: Anyone using Audacity?
2013/11/12 10:22:52
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bitflipper I'm perfectly happy with AA3, which does everything I can imagine ever needing from an audio editor. Yes, it's old, but it's not like it'll just stop working anytime soon. You're right - maybe I should just stop over-thinking things and enjoy Audition 3. I does do everything I need - I just worry about when it will stop working ;-) I did just try invoking audacity (from a DOS command line, not from SONAR) with a wave file pathname as an argument, and it worked (it's the only command line argument Audacity supports). That, AFAIK, is the only prerequisite for compatibility with SONAR. It's not happy when you run it from SONAR though - it still wants to save the file as an audacity session by default - when it needs to be a wav file (the SONAR wav file)
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Re: Anyone using Audacity?
2013/11/12 10:26:32
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Sixfinger So what is it you would do in an audio editor that you couldn't do in Sonar, or prefer to do in an editor?
I like to call it from within SONAR to mess around with clips. Also - for finished songs - I use it to trim, run through Ozone 5 for "mastering", and convert to 16 bit for burning to CD. It's just easier with a WAV editor. (but not worth >£200) ;-)
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Re: Anyone using Audacity?
2013/11/12 10:27:43
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I use Audacity, but as a stand-alone editor, not integrated into Sonar. Most tasks I find Sonar handles pretty well, for anything more in depth I'll use either Audacity or (my favourite) TWE, which still runs on modern systems incredibly :-)
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Re: Anyone using Audacity?
2013/11/12 10:31:27
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I don't have the audacity ... .
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Re: Anyone using Audacity?
2013/11/12 11:29:46
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jbraner
Sixfinger So what is it you would do in an audio editor that you couldn't do in Sonar, or prefer to do in an editor?
I like to call it from within SONAR to mess around with clips. Also - for finished songs - I use it to trim, run through Ozone 5 for "mastering", and convert to 16 bit for burning to CD. It's just easier with a WAV editor. (but not worth >£200) ;-) For finished songs, you can just export a wave file in 24 bit and process with Audacity for trimming and 16-bit conversion. I use Audacity for all kinds of things, including just simple stereo recording...e.g. converting LPs. Similarly, you can export clips to wave (although that is a bigger hassle to go out and in). I can't imagine what i would do with a clip that I can't do in SONAR...particularly now with Melodyne Editor so neatly integrated.
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Re: Anyone using Audacity?
2013/11/12 12:32:03
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Audacity (latest version) backs the file up and then works off that backup file. I think there is an option to turn this off so it works directly on the file.
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Re: Anyone using Audacity?
2013/11/12 14:45:28
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CakeAlexS Audacity (latest version) backs the file up and then works off that backup file. I think there is an option to turn this off so it works directly on the file.
Hi Alex, Yeah - you can turn that off. The main problem is when you want to "save" the wav file (which is really a SONAR clip- it's called "tool copy of....") - Audacity wants to save "tool copy of...." in it's own format. You can "export" to a WAV file - but where do you save "tool copy of..."? It's too complicated - other editors "just do it...."
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Re: Anyone using Audacity?
2013/11/12 14:46:59
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Other issue is Audacity doesn't do ASIO unless you recompile it for some reason... which is a pain...
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Re: Anyone using Audacity?
2013/11/12 15:17:17
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There are very few useful differences between AA3 and the latest version unless you do video production as well. The only minor annoyance would be lack of 64 bit, but that same problem plagues Soundforge too. Fairly minor issue if you don't find yourself missing any 64-bit plugins that for some reason you don't have available as 32-bit too.
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Re: Anyone using Audacity?
2013/11/12 15:26:39
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Point taken dub. It's just my paranoia about AA3 getting a little long in the tooth - and way beyond any kind of support. I'm waiting for some Windows 8 update to make it stop working ;-)
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Re: Anyone using Audacity?
2013/11/12 16:26:38
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jbraner Point taken dub. It's just my paranoia about AA3 getting a little long in the tooth - and way beyond any kind of support. I'm waiting for some Windows 8 update to make it stop working ;-)
You can still buy the CS6 version of AA from Adobe, which should keep working for at least a few more OS upgrades. I think the upgrade price is $79. Dan
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Re: Anyone using Audacity?
2013/11/12 16:35:23
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Where do you get that Dan? The only thing I've seen recently is the "subscription" prices (which are ridiculous - for what I use the editor for). I've never seen a one time "upgrade" price. I'd go for $79...
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Re: Anyone using Audacity?
2013/11/12 17:10:02
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Re: Anyone using Audacity?
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Re: Anyone using Audacity?
2013/11/12 19:29:18
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Just curious, what can audacity do that Sonar x3 can't?
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Re: Anyone using Audacity?
2013/11/12 22:36:41
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It's focus is purely on editing audio. Consequently it presents a very clean screen view of an audio file and you can easily drill down to the sample level for editing. Considering that it's open source and free, it has a very extensive palette of tools and proprietary plugins.
I generally use Sound Forge though for Mastering and any fine editing; but it can be integrated into Sonar's Utility menu allowing you to pass selected segments, clips and or complete tracks to SF for editing and then pass the processed audio back to your project from where it was taken. Very seamless.
The reasons are multiple. It provides me a disconnect from my recording and mixing environment. It works completely differently with different tools. It helps reinforce that I'm doing a different job. It has batch processing tools that are excellent for repetitive tasks.
Hope that helps.
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Re: Anyone using Audacity?
2013/11/12 23:16:23
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mudgel It's focus is purely on editing audio. Consequently it presents a very clean screen view of an audio file and you can easily drill down to the sample level for editing. Considering that it's open source and free, it has a very extensive palette of tools and proprietary plugins.
I generally use Sound Forge though for Mastering and any fine editing; but it can be integrated into Sonar's Utility menu allowing you to pass selected segments, clips and or complete tracks to SF for editing and then pass the processed audio back to your project from where it was taken. Very seamless.
The reasons are multiple. It provides me a disconnect from my recording and mixing environment. It works completely differently with different tools. It helps reinforce that I'm doing a different job. It has batch processing tools that are excellent for repetitive tasks.
Hope that helps.
Thanks Mike
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Re: Anyone using Audacity?
2013/11/12 23:32:14
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musichoo Just curious, what can audacity do that Sonar x3 can't?
I think this is a really good question. I tied to use Sound Forge many years ago. I didn't bond with it. It had control keys different from Cakewalk and it just made my life complex. I failed to see the virtue and quit updating the license, and quit installing it on new computers. Another of countless unneeded software purchases. I prefer to master in Sonar. If I am going to make an album, I put each song in Sonar. Then I can play each one very easily and compare the compression, the bass level, overall level, etc, and adjust the various mastering plug ins. I can also change the order of the songs very easily. I can of course save it as a project and come back to review it later. When I am ready, I export each track individually by soloing it. If you ever try this, you will find that your carefully placed song length will be ignored by Sonar and it will make all exports the length of the longest track. In order to deal with this you need to highlight the individual track up to it's ending. If I remember right, you will then get tracks exported at the proper length. I hope someday the Cakewalk people will pickup on this and make the approach of mastering the whole album as one project a little more simple, but it works fine as is.
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Re: Anyone using Audacity?
2013/11/13 02:02:15
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I agree generally that Mastering as described these days can be done in Sonar. Mastering can however mean a good bit more than finalising a project from a sonic perspective. there is also preparing audio for Redbook masters which can't be done in Sonar. That's just one area though. Seeing as I'd need some additional software for that, I might as well do it in SF.
Sonar doesn't have any batch processing facility either and while many don't need that function, I do. So seeing as I have SF and quite a few other wave editors I use SF for doing my masters.
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Re: Anyone using Audacity?
2013/11/13 02:45:45
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I tried audacity but I REALLY don't like the interface(buttons are big and ugly as hell). Since I own a licence of soundforge 6, my editor is soundforge. I use it mainly for the pencil tool (being able to redraw the audio wave is great when getting strange electrical peaks) My other choice is definitely wavosaur. Great free editor (very close to soundforge)
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