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Aphex Aural Exicter

Waves Aphex is on sale for $89 for one day only...

http://www.waves.com/plugins/aphex-vintage-aural-exciter


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    Re: Aphex Aural Exicter 2013/12/19 19:22:21 (permalink)
    lol just made a video on it 4 dayz ago !! people gonna think i''m connected with Waves lol !!!
     
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    Re: Aphex Aural Exicter 2013/12/19 19:33:08 (permalink)
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    lpeople gonna think i''m connected with Waves lol !!!
     


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    Re: Aphex Aural Exicter 2013/12/19 22:08:14 (permalink)
    lol !!!
     
     

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    Re: Aphex Aural Exicter 2013/12/19 22:39:29 (permalink)
    I picked up mine for $50 a while back. That's the thing with Waves man, you never know if it's going to be even cheaper somewhere down the line. I picked up Element for the same price at the same time. 

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    Re: Aphex Aural Exicter 2013/12/20 06:19:29 (permalink)
    Just downloaded the demo and was blown away!  Purchased it 30 minutes later for $89.  Sounds great on cymbals and percussion.  Haven't tried it on guitars yet but will probably be a useful tool as long as I use it sparingly and don't overdo it! I remember hearing about this during Linda Ronstadt's glory days.. I feel like I now own a little piece of history!

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    Re: Aphex Aural Exicter 2013/12/20 07:59:02 (permalink)
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    Zo
    lpeople gonna think i''m connected with Waves lol !!!
     


    YOU MEAN YOUR NOT???? 




    Seriously , seems like i am ?

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    Re: Aphex Aural Exicter 2013/12/20 08:11:37 (permalink)
    Joyeux Noel Zo!  *<|:o)>

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    lpeople gonna think i''m connected with Waves lol !!!
     


    YOU MEAN YOUR NOT???? 




    Seriously , seems like i am ?



    That was a joke Zo...I know you review a lot of plugins...and a lot of Waves...


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    Re: Aphex Aural Exicter 2014/01/03 18:00:35 (permalink)
    Would I be right in saying that Cake (or for that matter Native Instruments) does not supply a 64 bit VST exciter? (I know there are Direct X plugins).

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    Re: Aphex Aural Exicter 2014/01/03 19:29:06 (permalink)
    There's nothing resembling an exciter in my Komplete 8 Ultimate and I don't think they added one in 9 (have yet to install my update). The only two exciters I know of are the Waves Aphex and the one that comes with Ozone.

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    Re: Aphex Aural Exicter 2014/01/03 20:53:39 (permalink)
    check cosmos from nomad factory , it's a steal now at 19 $ instead of 149 !!
     
    http://store.dontcrack.com/product_info.php?products_id=1340
     
    it's not really the same thing but you get the low harmonics , low generators and stereo imaging !

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    Re: Aphex Aural Exicter 2014/01/03 21:16:01 (permalink)
    Bootsy has an exciter called Thrillseeker XTC


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    Re: Aphex Aural Exicter 2014/01/03 22:01:02 (permalink)
    Zo
    check cosmos from nomad factory , it's a steal now at 19 $ instead of 149 !!
     
    http://store.dontcrack.com/product_info.php?products_id=1340
     
    it's not really the same thing but you get the low harmonics , low generators and stereo imaging !




    Thanks.. I didn't blink and I'm now using it :) Cheers!

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    Re: Aphex Aural Exicter 2014/01/03 22:44:38 (permalink)
    Cosmos is not an exciter. It's a pair of filters. But go ahead and buy it, as you'll be supporting a good cause.
     
    Exciters are harmonic distortion devices. Anything that generates distortion generates harmonics and can be called an "exciter". Meldaproduction has many plugins that can do this, even though they're not labeled as "exciters". Check out MLimiter from the meldaproduction free pack. It'll let you specify how much of each harmonic you want. 
     


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    Re: Aphex Aural Exicter 2014/01/03 22:59:15 (permalink)
    "COSMOS - HARMONIC EXCITER and SUB GENERATOR"  taken from Noma website ....
     
    "Harmonically excite an entire mix"
     
    "COSMOS is designed to improve clarity and punch without increasing gain, which results in a more balanced sound. The plug-in uses harmonic enhancement instead of traditional EQ boosting to bring out desirable frequencies in your audio material. COSMOS works great to improve the sound quality of any audio source, including compressed mp3 files, podcasts and voice-over work."

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    Re: Aphex Aural Exicter 2014/01/03 23:06:41 (permalink)
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    Cosmos is not an exciter. It's a pair of filters. But go ahead and buy it, as you'll be supporting a good cause.
     
    Exciters are harmonic distortion devices. Anything that generates distortion generates harmonics and can be called an "exciter". Meldaproduction has many plugins that can do this, even though they're not labeled as "exciters". Check out MLimiter from the meldaproduction free pack. It'll let you specify how much of each harmonic you want. 



    Yup Zo warned me but I was looking for something like that anyway as I was previously using the Nomad EQP-2B and the Pro Channel concrete limiter together. I'm still using the Pro Channel PC4K compressor but I'm thinking about swapping it out for a standard VST plugin (to be decided) on the master bus. I'll check out the rest of the exciters as well.. thanks!

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    Re: Aphex Aural Exicter 2014/01/03 23:20:59 (permalink)
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    Bootsy has an exciter called Thrillseeker XTC




    Sadly 32 bit only...

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    Re: Aphex Aural Exicter 2014/01/04 03:34:15 (permalink)
    All Bootsy plug ins work flawlessly via Jbridge - and most are excellent.
    The Thrillseeker range are some of my most used plug ins.
    Honestly for FREE his stuff is amazing.
     

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    Re: Aphex Aural Exicter 2014/01/04 09:59:21 (permalink)
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    "COSMOS - HARMONIC EXCITER and SUB GENERATOR"  taken from Noma website ....
     
    "Harmonically excite an entire mix"
     
    "COSMOS is designed to improve clarity and punch without increasing gain, which results in a more balanced sound. The plug-in uses harmonic enhancement instead of traditional EQ boosting to bring out desirable frequencies in your audio material. COSMOS works great to improve the sound quality of any audio source, including compressed mp3 files, podcasts and voice-over work."


    You can't believe everything you read, Zo. I'm sure you've got SPAN and Christian Budde's VST Plugin Analyzer. Check it out for yourself. Turn the limiter off for your tests, though, as the limiter does distort pretty badly.
     
    I discovered this the day I bought Cosmos but kept it to myself for fear of hurting NF's fundraising endeavor. The first thing I do with any exciter / distortion / saturator plugin is check for aliasing. To my surprise, there not only was no aliasing there were no added harmonics, either. That piqued my curiosity, and prompted me to find out exactly what the plugin actually does. Sure enough, it's primarily a bass and treble booster. "No added gain"? At full rotation of any of the bottom three knobs it'll add between 14 and 16dB! 
     
    There is some harmonic distortion, but it's at -90dB.  That might as well be part of the noise floor, and is inaudible. Turn the limiter on and crank the gain, and you do get significant (and audible) distortion. This would be the basis for the "exciter" claim, although it has nothing to do with the Drive controls below. Those are just filters.
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    Re: Aphex Aural Exicter 2014/01/05 00:58:31 (permalink)
    Darn I guess I should check this...
    Look like there's no version control on COSMOS.DLL (which is a bad sign) but my file size is 3,985,920 bytes is yours the same (just in case we are on different versions).
     
    I guess what you are saying here is I've just bought a limiter and the rest of the functionality is suspect :(
    I tried VST Plugin Analyser (ran as admin) but couldn't get it to open the VST.
     
     
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    Re: Aphex Aural Exicter 2014/01/05 02:12:42 (permalink)
    I'm unsure about the exciter side of Cosmos (I trust Bit's findings but then again I tried recreating what it does with EQ and it didn't sound the same) but I have to say I like what the stereo imaging knob does and I can see myself using that on a whole mix. 
     
    I haven't used Cosmos in a project yet but I've played with it on some dull sounding drum loops and it did a fantastic (and quick) job of polishing them up. 

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    Re: Aphex Aural Exicter 2014/01/05 11:09:50 (permalink)
    Alex, I expect you'll have to use the 32-bit version of the plugin with VST Analyzer, as it is a 32-bit application (made with SynthEdit, I think).
     
    sharke, the stereo imaging feature is a simple Mid/Side balance control. You can do the same thing with Voxengo MSED, Channel Tools or a host of other free plugins.
     
    There are some benefits to using fixed-frequency filters over fully-parametric equalizers, as evidenced by the popularity of plugins such as MaagEQ, Voice of God and emulations of classic hardware filters. They're certainly quick and easy, and may implement filter curves that are difficult to recreate using a parametric. (However, I had no problem duplicating the Cronos "Exciter Drive" filter settings using Pro-Q, although it did require two filters: a broad bell at 8KHz and a high shelf at 9.6KHz.)
     


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    Re: Aphex Aural Exicter 2014/01/05 11:33:42 (permalink)
    Says "32 bit and 64 bit are supported" though?
    http://nomadfactory.com/products/cosmos/
     
    Guess I should read between the lines...
     
    If I load it in Sonar I would expected dotted lines around the title bar if it was 32 bit wouldn't I? Or is this behaviour just reserved for softsynths? This is definitely a case of buyer beware (customers are being misled), I hope the guy is getting better in hospital but I can see this being a sheep in wolfs clothing right now. I'm gonna have to get into testing VST's myself, really never bothered until now but now I see the light, esp after you pointed me to SynthEdit :)
     
    I really do hope his surgeon isn't actually a doctor disguising himself as a surgeon.
     
    UPDATE - I assume as 32 bit effects don't need bitbridge it doesn't matter whether it is 64 bit or 32 bit?
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    Re: Aphex Aural Exicter 2014/01/05 14:05:26 (permalink)
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    sharke, the stereo imaging feature is a simple Mid/Side balance control. You can do the same thing with Voxengo MSED, Channel Tools or a host of other free plugins.
     



    Are you sure that's what it's doing? I understand what you're getting at but I just can't seem to get the same results from Channel Tools. Could it not be that it's introducing subtle differences between channels that actually adds more to the side content, rather than just boosting one over the other? 

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    Re: Aphex Aural Exicter 2014/01/05 20:03:22 (permalink)
    Pulled back to Cakewalk bundled Nomad EQP-2B (which appears to emulate the EQP-1A although I'm sure I'm going to be proved wrong as it's Nomad) for the moment but added Cosmos to the chain for limiting and Stereo image. So no excitement right now and might have to re-review this again at a later stage.

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    Re: Aphex Aural Exicter 2014/01/05 23:16:57 (permalink)
    You guyz are to exited !!

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    Re: Aphex Aural Exicter 2014/01/06 01:31:55 (permalink)
    sharke, I haven't examined the stereo effect yet, at least not in detail.
    But really, a simple M/S balance is the safest kind of stereo enhancement and probably what you want anyway. I'll check it out and report back.


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    Re: Aphex Aural Exicter 2014/01/06 14:13:56 (permalink)
    sharke
    I'm unsure about the exciter side of Cosmos (I trust Bit's findings but then again I tried recreating what it does with EQ and it didn't sound the same) but I have to say I like what the stereo imaging knob does and I can see myself using that on a whole mix. 



    When I tested Cosmos, my impression was that the exciter part of the processing was something other than just EQ.  The bass business (sub-bass tuning and drive) did indeed seem to be nothing more than a resonant boost at the tuning frequency.  But the exciter, that was something else.
     
    Here's how I tested.  I played a Vangelis synth-only track with Cosmos as the sole effect.  I used one of the more subtle factory settings and monitored the output in Span.  I am certain I heard a difference (a pleasant one) and the audio spectrum heights did not change (but they did look a little bit denser).  Now, this obviously is not scientific.  It's impossible to do even single blind testing when you're the only one participating.  As an aside, one thing I liked about Cosmos was that the factory presets were actually usable, and not the typical over-the-top stuff you find in a lot of plug ins.
     
    The exciter will probably boost the EQ at the more extreme settings, but I didn't monitor with Span at extreme settings.  Unfortunately, I did not record my settings, so I can't suggest someone else tries to duplicate my test.
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    I don't care if Nomad calls it a reverse entropy machine that also slices and dices AND keeps your wifey happy...Cosmos sounds fab and puts the "good" on most anything ya try it on.  It rates a 10 in my "hey, now it doesn't suck anymore" tests:-)
     

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