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2017/08/19 23:42:53 (permalink)

Apparently, gated reverb is making a comeback

I normally don't listen to contemporary pop - at all. I know, I should. But there is so much dreck to wade through to find that occasional gem, and I'm only in the car for brief periods. Anyhow, I ran across this general-audience explanation of gated reverb and was surprised to hear them state that it's popular again. Groan.
 
What do you think? Is it time to bring this cliché back, is it just nostalgia, or a passing fad?
 



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Re: Apparently, gated reverb is making a comeback 2017/08/21 15:11:50 (permalink)
sounds are sounds...
and i can see gated verb on a source that it makes sense.......
but hardly any source in the real world makes sense.
 
then it sounds stupid.
 
that said, i love reverse tracks and reverse reverbs, and anything that creates the spacey ambience that sometimes you just gotta have.
 
 
but to craft a drum sound around gated verb?!
nope.

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Re: Apparently, gated reverb is making a comeback 2017/08/21 18:28:56 (permalink)
I actually like gated reverb, but as a special effect, not as a standard genre-defining must-have component. Like the Cher Effect, it not only gets tiresome, some day it will make your production sound very dated.
 
OTOH, I'm still waiting for the 808 to die, having confidently predicted its demise in the 90's.


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Re: Apparently, gated reverb is making a comeback 2017/08/21 18:43:35 (permalink)
Maybe one day they'll name an audio engineering quirk after me.
 

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Re: Apparently, gated reverb is making a comeback 2017/08/21 19:04:49 (permalink)
808 has been revived by Roland as the TR-08, TB -33 and other boutique versions of the classic hardware reinvented. Still life in the old puppies yet.
 

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Re: Apparently, gated reverb is making a comeback 2017/08/22 04:27:28 (permalink)
I had an actual 808 back in the day. I hated it. "That doesn't sound anything like a bass drum", I thought. But it was affordable and fun to program. Nevertheless, it went into the junk drawer the moment I figured out how to do a believable kick on a synthesizer. And that, in turn, quickly fell by the wayside when I got an Alesis with real sampled drums inside.
 
At no point along that journey did I ever once feel the least bit nostalgic for that boring gated sinewave. So I am mystified as to why young producers of today, with the mindblowing cornucopia of sound available to them, would want to use that tired old hack.
 
Unless it's me that's the tired old hack.


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Re: Apparently, gated reverb is making a comeback 2017/08/22 05:52:23 (permalink)
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Unless it's me that's the tired old hack.

 
I am afraid so Dave. I had one too back in the day but used it to create percussion parts for electronic music.  I don't think it was ever intended to be a real drum sound but rather something else.  Jarre also used it big time.  That was how it was meant to be used.  Nothing else sounds quite like it in fact. 
 
The cowbell sound also generated a gate signal in unison with the cowbell so you could program that, turn the cowbell down and use a programmed gate signal to trigger an analog sequencer which is what I did all the time. 
 
The fact you could program an entire song was also pretty something at the time too. Someone gave me a TR808 as a gift and I sold it for around $1000! 
 

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Re: Apparently, gated reverb is making a comeback 2017/08/22 13:57:36 (permalink)
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I had an actual 808 back in the day. I hated it. "That doesn't sound anything like a bass drum", I thought. But it was affordable and fun to program. Nevertheless, it went into the junk drawer the moment I figured out how to do a believable kick on a synthesizer. And that, in turn, quickly fell by the wayside when I got an Alesis with real sampled drums inside.
 
At no point along that journey did I ever once feel the least bit nostalgic for that boring gated sinewave. So I am mystified as to why young producers of today, with the mindblowing cornucopia of sound available to them, would want to use that tired old hack.
 
Unless it's me that's the tired old hack.




Ditto.  I absolutely detested that sound during the 80's and none of that has changed.  Everything beautiful about a drum sound taken away.  Add that to their bizarre fetish for deep low snare sounds and it was just a horrible time for acoustic percussion.  Rock drumming was basically a metronome in a cave. To this day I can't stand any music from that era with this percussion sound.  
 
Next you're going to say that the 80's fascination with too much chorus on guitar tracks is going to come back too...ugh.  

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Re: Apparently, gated reverb is making a comeback 2017/08/22 20:32:32 (permalink)
I meant TB-03. Going through my older projects, I found something that used Waldorf Microwave XT drum samples. Actually I think I used a quite a bit of them including the bell synthesis. These were from a sample pack alas recorded from the original hardware.
 

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Re: Apparently, gated reverb is making a comeback 2017/08/23 01:55:45 (permalink)
I saw that video a few days ago. Its interesting how things are coming back.

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Re: Apparently, gated reverb is making a comeback 2017/08/23 05:15:25 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jamesg1213 2017/08/23 16:18:51
I am hoping parachute pants come back.
 
 

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Re: Apparently, gated reverb is making a comeback 2017/08/23 15:15:07 (permalink)
Like a lot of these things, they return in cycles. 
 
When I was young, I had a shiny Roland D-50. It was the end of the 80's and New Wave was starting to phase out. Whenever I worked with other musicians, they always begged me for the best piano sound I had. There was this transition and obsession in the 90's where everyone was pursuing a more realistic sound from synths and samplers, forgetting that synths weren't really meant to completely replace acoustic instruments. It was especially crushing to be a keyboard player during the 90's Grunge era. You were relegated to hip-hop and R&B genres to have any kind of relevancy. At some recent point software developed to the point that it can do a pretty convincing job of emulating acoustic instruments to the degree that it is more economical than hiring musicians. Since that frontier is pretty much tapped, things are coming back around again to where pop music is embracing synths as a genuine instrument that isn't trying to be something else. I think it's awesome. We have a lot to be grateful for in this revival.

So now we have other related things like gated reverb making a comeback because they were a huge part of that retro sound. I'm not going to complain about it, it is what it is.
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Re: Apparently, gated reverb is making a comeback 2017/08/23 15:26:30 (permalink)
not a fan of that drum sound,
no.
 

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Re: Apparently, gated reverb is making a comeback 2017/08/23 16:21:44 (permalink)
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I had an actual 808 back in the day. I hated it. "That doesn't sound anything like a bass drum", I thought. But it was affordable and fun to program. Nevertheless, it went into the junk drawer the moment I figured out how to do a believable kick on a synthesizer. And that, in turn, quickly fell by the wayside when I got an Alesis with real sampled drums inside.
 
At no point along that journey did I ever once feel the least bit nostalgic for that boring gated sinewave. So I am mystified as to why young producers of today, with the mindblowing cornucopia of sound available to them, would want to use that tired old hack.
 
Unless it's me that's the tired old hack.




Ditto.  I absolutely detested that sound during the 80's and none of that has changed.  Everything beautiful about a drum sound taken away.  Add that to their bizarre fetish for deep low snare sounds and it was just a horrible time for acoustic percussion.  Rock drumming was basically a metronome in a cave. To this day I can't stand any music from that era with this percussion sound.  
 
Next you're going to say that the 80's fascination with too much chorus on guitar tracks is going to come back too...ugh.  




I know what you mean...but I do still love this...
 


 
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Re: Apparently, gated reverb is making a comeback 2017/08/23 20:46:32 (permalink)
What do you mean, that sounds like real toy drums you know.
 

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Re: Apparently, gated reverb is making a comeback 2017/08/24 00:23:19 (permalink)
A bit of detail from a March 2005 Sound On Sound article:
 
To create that effect authentically, send the drums to a reverb with a medium room preset selected. Now route the output of that reverb through a stereo noise gate (or patch a stereo noise gate into the reverb's return channels) and set an instant attack and pretty much instant release. The gate's hold time can be adjusted to taste, but the threshold should be adjusted carefully to avoid any 'fluttering' during the final part of the reverb tail. For more accurate triggering of the noise gate, take a feed from the drums into the gate's side-chain so that the percussive attack from the drums is used to trigger it, rather than the onset of the reverb alone.
 
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Re: Apparently, gated reverb is making a comeback 2017/08/24 02:50:15 (permalink)
That's a good tip, using the dry signal to trigger the gate.
 
That thought led me to another: I'll bet you could do some interesting things by triggering the gate off something totally unrelated, like a synthesizer, allowing you to use the synth's ADSR or sequencer (e.g. Zebra's MSEG) to precisely sculpt the reverb's envelope. I think I'm going to try that when I get home (I'm sitting in a hotel room ATM, far from my DAW).


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Re: Apparently, gated reverb is making a comeback 2017/08/24 14:43:48 (permalink)
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That's a good tip, using the dry signal to trigger the gate.
 
That thought led me to another: I'll bet you could do some interesting things by triggering the gate off something totally unrelated, like a synthesizer, allowing you to use the synth's ADSR or sequencer (e.g. Zebra's MSEG) to precisely sculpt the reverb's envelope. I think I'm going to try that when I get home (I'm sitting in a hotel room ATM, far from my DAW).

Fascinating idea! Can't wait for your feedback. When you get home. From witness protection, or whatever... 

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Re: Apparently, gated reverb is making a comeback 2017/08/25 12:22:35 (permalink)
Yeh, the heat's died down so they're letting me return home today.
 
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Re: Apparently, gated reverb is making a comeback 2017/08/25 13:02:01 (permalink)
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Re: Apparently, gated reverb is making a comeback 2017/08/27 03:57:49 (permalink)
The 808 was never going to sound good as a substitute for real drums. But, they sound great in dance music productions and that's why they've never gone away. They cut through a mix and sound fantastic in clubs. 808 kicks are still very widely used in EDM and electronica. It's like 303's - originally designed as a kind of crude bass accompanist for keyboard players, the acid house guys quickly caught onto how amazing it sounds when the resonance of the filter is cranked up and you sweep the cutoff. A whole new style of music was born that was so iconic that the 303's are still highly sought after and used in a lot of electronic music. It makes you wonder why the actual units themselves are so coveted - I mean after all it's really just a basic oscillator with a pretty ordinary filter. Some have said that the oscillator and filter are unique and that's what give it it's sound, but really what makes a 303 sound so unique is the sequencer and the way it plays slides, ties and accents. Maybe that's the case with the 808 as well - the sequencer has a particular feel to it which people have come to know and love. 

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Re: Apparently, gated reverb is making a comeback 2017/08/27 19:53:22 (permalink)
There is nothing wrong with gated reverb either.  If it is used tastefully within a very new and modern piece of music then it will sound new and modern as well.  A lot depends on what is surrounding the gated reverb at the time.  The gate on the reverb now has a lot of control over how the reverb is perceived too.  I think it is more about the 80's music that was happening at the time.  Keep making music like that and it will always sound like that.
 
With the 808 it was about the sounds too not so much how the sequencer felt for me.  It always felt locked in to the rest of the music very tight when I used it.  Other drum machines had a more definitive feel such as a Linn Drum. I used all the available outputs on the TR808 which allows you to sculpt the sound much better.  Kicks can be turned into huge earth shattering sounds. Hats can be super thin and clean and crisp too.  Effects on certain sounds only.  I had other powerful drum machine sounds happening in unison with 808 sounds for extra power and depth.  I have also done many electronic tracks playing a live fully miced kit alongside 808 drum/percussion parts. They go together well. 

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Re: Apparently, gated reverb is making a comeback 2017/09/23 17:42:39 (permalink)
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I had an actual 808 back in the day. I hated it. "That doesn't sound anything like a bass drum", I thought. But it was affordable and fun to program. Nevertheless, it went into the junk drawer the moment I figured out how to do a believable kick on a synthesizer. And that, in turn, quickly fell by the wayside when I got an Alesis with real sampled drums inside.
 
At no point along that journey did I ever once feel the least bit nostalgic for that boring gated sinewave. So I am mystified as to why young producers of today, with the mindblowing cornucopia of sound available to them, would want to use that tired old hack.
 
Unless it's me that's the tired old hack.


Like you, I dumped my roland drums when Alesis drums became available. I quickly regretted it. The 808 never was a real drum replacement. By the same token, some things just work. For dance music that sound will likepy always work. Also keep in mind, in modern-day music, "808" refers to basically any low end distorted sine wave based sound. Most of these 808 sample soundpacks use synths to create 808 samples. 808 is getting close to becoming a generic term like jello.
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Re: Apparently, gated reverb is making a comeback 2017/09/23 17:44:23 (permalink)
Btw, the kicks on the original hr16 were a pain in the mix. The hr16b did a better job by basically emulating a roland
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Re: Apparently, gated reverb is making a comeback 2017/09/23 19:30:40 (permalink)
I was and actually still am a huge Genesis fan, and rather uncooly, I preferred Collins to Gabriel on the mic as far as their 70s output was concerned. I even quite liked a lot of Phil's solo stuff, but I couldn't stay in the room with that drum sound on In The Air Tonight. I hated it, whilst the rest of the world eulogised. And now, for the first time I know it was gated reverb. This forum is an education 😜
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