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Apple Acquires Camel Audio
http://www.macrumors.com/2015/02/23/apple-acquires-camel-audio/ Well, apparently, the rumours were true. Having gone through the eMagic acquisition back in the days, I totally understand what this represents for PC users. I hope that they keep it cross-platform for you guys, but I wouldn't hold my breath. :/ That being said, July 7th being my birthday, having some of that technology incorporated in my DAW of choice would make for a heck of a nice present. :P
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Re: Apple Acquires Camel Audio
2015/02/24 10:31:56
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I can't think of a single example of where a big company buying a small company has ultimately been good for consumers. Can you?
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Re: Apple Acquires Camel Audio
2015/02/24 10:41:43
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I know apple buying Camel ain't good for this consumer - even if they concentrate on making it an ipad app.
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Re: Apple Acquires Camel Audio
2015/02/24 11:21:33
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I can't think of a single example of where a big company buying a small company has ultimately been good for consumers. Can you? Google acquired Android. :> Sorry, had to. :P Not all acquisitions have been bad, just most of them. Especially by companies like Apple.
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Re: Apple Acquires Camel Audio
2015/02/24 11:33:06
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I'm hoping this won't effect us in the using of Camel stuff for the long run.......I currently don't have any issues whatsoever with Camel's products, and I'm a little concerned about updates for us PC users after the takeover.
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Re: Apple Acquires Camel Audio
2015/02/24 11:44:43
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☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2015/02/24 11:47:21
Mesh, Two days ago we were never to expect another update, now you're concerned about updates under iApple? 
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Re: Apple Acquires Camel Audio
2015/02/24 11:52:33
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2015/02/24 12:28:03
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Mesh,
Two days ago we were never to expect another update, now you're concerned about updates under iApple?
True....true.... What I'm worried about is when Apple says: "we've updated Alchemy with some new features/sounds for all platforms and is going to free of charge" (wishful thinking).....then after installation, we find out the many compatible issues or it's just simply broken. Never fix something that aint broke?
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Re: Apple Acquires Camel Audio
2015/02/24 12:04:58
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☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2015/02/24 12:26:03
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Re: Apple Acquires Camel Audio
2015/02/24 13:12:46
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Sigh 
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Re: Apple Acquires Camel Audio
2015/02/24 13:14:55
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Punter 1: Can I still buy Alchemy?
Punter 2: No. They sold out.
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Re: Apple Acquires Camel Audio
2015/02/24 13:55:16
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Jordan Rudess: Alchemy 2 for Mac is the best synth I've ever used? Puzzled Punter: It's not out yet! Jordan Rudess: I'm just practising my lines. Just spoke to the head camel man on Skype. My user name is SonnyDelight. His is PensionSorted. I asked why was he doing this to me? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo7zkd0kRS4
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Re: Apple Acquires Camel Audio
2015/02/24 15:34:04
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Your existing Alchemy will continue to work, right up until it doesn't. When that happens it'll be Microsoft's fault, not Apple's.
Of course, you'll not be able to buy any expansion libraries for it, because Apple doesn't allow such practices. Just try to buy a $3 generic charger cable for your iPhone...doesn't exist, because the connector is patented and Apple thinks it's entirely reasonable to charge $20 for a foot-long cable.
Logic users should not feel too smug about this. Apple could very well decide to abandon the product entirely - it wouldn't be the first time.
Alchemy never moved from my wish-list to my buy-immediately list, so I'm not out anything. But it makes you wonder what other mom 'n pop software companies Apple's gonna gobble up next.
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Re: Apple Acquires Camel Audio
2015/02/24 16:06:34
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☄ Helpfulby Makzimia 2015/02/26 10:54:49
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I can't think of a single example of where a big company buying a small company has ultimately been good for consumers. Can you?
For anyone already working on Mac, the acquisition of eMagic/Logic must have been a blessing - price is now 1/5th of what it was, and the integration with the OS is unrivalled, not to mention the resources available for development - Apple doesn't need to rely on licensing from 3rd party to bundle top notch plug-ins, synths and content. Plus, the technology gave birth to GarageBand, which is free for anyone who buys a Mac. So, it does suck but only for some consumers.
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Re: Apple Acquires Camel Audio
2015/02/24 16:09:48
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Acquisition has replaced creativity as the best way to enhance your business. Why build it when you can buy it? Unfortunately those that are acquired don't usually fare well, particularly when the acquisition is simply the cheapest way to eliminate the competition. Buy them, kill them, increase market share, move on to the next.
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Re: Apple Acquires Camel Audio
2015/02/24 16:34:35
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Acquisition has replaced creativity as the best way to enhance your business. Why build it when you can buy it? Unfortunately those that are acquired don't usually fare well, particularly when the acquisition is simply the cheapest way to eliminate the competition. Buy them, kill them, increase market share, move on to the next.
That's one thing I can't understand, because Apple has a great team of developers, and Alchemy was not exactly competing with them. Buying them out to shut them down doesn't seem to make sense - though of course, they could do just that - like Gibson did a few years ago when they bought Opcode. Or maybe they saw the potential in it. To be perfectly honest, I think it would have made more sense if Cakewalk\Gibson acquired Camel.
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Re: Apple Acquires Camel Audio
2015/02/24 18:19:48
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Odd acquisition. So much for alchemy 2 for non-mac users.
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Re: Apple Acquires Camel Audio
2015/02/24 21:24:05
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Alchemy will be in logic then , this the only thing i see .... and dev with "icrap"stuff also ... i officially sad !! love alchemy .... maybe time to go omnipshre 2
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Re: Apple Acquires Camel Audio
2015/02/24 22:16:25
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Mmmm ... happy Mac user here. MainStage's great. Logic too. And Logic Remote. GarageBand isn't kids' stuff anymore. And they even incorporated Redmatica for sampling your outboard synths.
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Re: Apple Acquires Camel Audio
2015/02/24 23:38:10
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☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2015/02/25 08:58:43
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I can't think of a single example of where a big company buying a small company has ultimately been good for consumers. Can you?
Gibson buys Cakewalk!
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Re: Apple Acquires Camel Audio
2015/02/25 00:23:07
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So, it does suck but only for some consumers.
Right. Everyone that uses Alchemy on Windows is screwed. Apple did the same thing to me with Logic for Windows.
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Re: Apple Acquires Camel Audio
2015/02/25 13:52:12
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bitflipper
I can't think of a single example of where a big company buying a small company has ultimately been good for consumers. Can you?
Gibson buys Cakewalk!
Hope you're right, Mike. But then we were initially optimistic about Roland's acquisition, too. At least, we got Craig A. with the Gibson bundle. I don't remember anybody from Roland ever coming round to say hi. Time will tell. Another positive example comes to mind: Cakewalk acquiring RGC:Audio and Sonitus. In both cases the products continued to have long lives beyond the demise of their founders' companies.
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Re: Apple Acquires Camel Audio
2015/02/25 22:57:27
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Neither of those examples really qualifies though - Cakewalk doesn't qualify as a big company and Gibson bought Cakewalk from Roland.
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Re: Apple Acquires Camel Audio
2015/02/26 02:37:59
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Well one nice thing is that I'm glad I never bought it. It was on my list to buy last year but then Serum came out which imo is like Alchemy on steroids.
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Re: Apple Acquires Camel Audio
2015/02/26 09:39:01
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☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2015/02/26 10:02:36
I own it and most of their sound sets as well as camelphat and camelspace so this ticks me off. Was secretly harbouring hope that Cake had bought them. Re Serum, (I agree it's a great synth - I own LFO Tool and Cthulhu and have been thinking about jumping on Serum). Steve Duda/Xfer is extremely innovative, and IMO is ripe for the type of takeover that Camel just went through. It's clear there are vulnerabilities when dealing with small companies - I love Xfer and still am considering the jump to Serum but the Alchemy experience has me concerned, to say the least. Especially if with one acquisition a product line can be discontinued, or PC support can vaporize.
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Re: Apple Acquires Camel Audio
2015/02/26 13:53:34
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saw about it elsewhere, really not impressed with how camel conducted matters with end users.. I own all their products (sound packs), so apple buying it is emagic all over again.. luckily I dodged that one.. but if I had known in 2014, I'd have not bought anything. I'm a PC owner.
but the big worry is making 100% sure I have backups of their files that work after they close.. I've had it before where 2 backups have failed over time.
it's just another reason/example why i distrust many pro audio companies sadly and their "stunts"
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Re: Apple Acquires Camel Audio
2015/02/26 19:03:18
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Alchemy never moved from my wish-list to my buy-immediately list, so I'm not out anything. But it makes you wonder what other mom 'n pop software companies Apple's gonna gobble up next.
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Re: Apple Acquires Camel Audio
2015/02/26 19:18:49
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really not impressed with how camel conducted matters with end users
Sadly, I must agree. I don't feel cheated myself but rather deeply disappointed that the long-awaited Alchemy 2 will probably be off-limits to PC users like myself. At least I bought Alchemy years ago and had acquired all the add-on sound sets that interested me. But as far as I know, Camel was selling new PC licenses up until the day before they went dark. Those customers were buying in good faith with an expectation that additional sound libraries would be available in future. Then suddenly they were completely cut off with no warning and no opportunity to build on their investment. Selling those licenses when knowing full-well what was coming seems like a real dick move in my book. I thought highly of the CA folks until that happened. I hope things turn out that I am wrong in this.
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Re: Apple Acquires Camel Audio
2015/02/27 09:50:57
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Fog
really not impressed with how camel conducted matters with end users
Sadly, I must agree. I don't feel cheated myself but rather deeply disappointed that the long-awaited Alchemy 2 will probably be off-limits to PC users like myself. At least I bought Alchemy years ago and had acquired all the add-on sound sets that interested me.
But as far as I know, Camel was selling new PC licenses up until the day before they went dark. Those customers were buying in good faith with an expectation that additional sound libraries would be available in future. Then suddenly they were completely cut off with no warning and no opportunity to build on their investment. Selling those licenses when knowing full-well what was coming seems like a real dick move in my book. I thought highly of the CA folks until that happened. I hope things turn out that I am wrong in this.
Have to agree. And if this is in fact the case- should Ben and the former Camel folk ever show up in some other manifestation it'll be a cold day in Hell that I free up a red cent to do any type of business with them. Though I'm sure that's unlikely as without a doubt the deal with Apple was sweet enough that they're sipping drinks with little umbrellas in them on some beach somewhere.
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Re: Apple Acquires Camel Audio
2015/02/27 10:55:24
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I doubt that the Camel folk are retired. It was many years ago, but there was the fact that all the music hardware/software business equaled about what a good box store sold in a year. So your local Walmart today is likely to sell as much stuff as all the music companies in the world. Ben etc. were a very small part of a very small business. But I doubt they be back - I'm sure apple has made the terms of non-competition very clear. And I'm one that would be interested in the ex-Camel music products. Alchemy is that good.
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Re: Apple Acquires Camel Audio
2015/02/27 11:25:19
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Ya and Alchemy 2 would have likely been even better - but as a PC user, I'll never know. If Apple does happen to release it for Windows (say a snowball survives in Hell one day) - I have faith that it'll be the same disaster as iTunes, etc. (I am an iPhone/iPad user - but their PC-based software and their OS forced-upgrade schema are Borg-like).
Anyway - I will continue to use Alchemy (1), cause I love it too. But to say I will forgive and forget the Camel-folk - nope.
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