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Apple to drop 3.5mm headphone jack
Apple wants to eliminate the standard headphone jack on iPhones. Not being an Apple user, my first reaction was "don't care". It's just an extension of Apple's longtime philosophy of going proprietary in every way, e.g. the fact that you need a special charging cable that third parties are not allowed to manufacture except under Apple license.
But even if it doesn't affect me, I have to chuckle at the company's propaganda efforts to justify it. Of course, they're getting enthusiastic buy-in from headphone manufacturers, who see dollar signs in forced-obsolescence.
Sennheiser had this to say: "in the audio world we've seen different connection standards come and go for many years".
Excuse me? What connection standards would those be? The quarter-inch plug and jack date back to the 1800's, starting with telephone exchanges with manual operators. The 3.5mm version has been around since the late 50's, with the advent of the transistor radio. The XLR connector goes back to 1950, the RCA phono plug to the early 40's. So WTF is Sennheiser talking about?
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Re: Apple to drop 3.5mm headphone jack
2016/01/08 10:09:06
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So WTF is Sennheiser talking about?
..... hmmmm ... they aren't! They are just making sure they kiss up to Apple, and show how stupid advertising is, and how much people don't know about ANY history of ANYTHING, to even be able to make a decent call, or figure out the comment is so out of it, as to almost be malicious! It used to be called ... what was that when you had news that intentionally sent you the other direction? Misinformation and the like. But even the government does it! Nobody reads these things anymore and no one takes these words and people to task anymore ... if they did, half these companies would be dead, because no one would be stupid enough to help them with a nickel! But advertising makes it seem right and good, and we're too dumb ... to fight it. Or too desensitized! Take your choice!
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Re: Apple to drop 3.5mm headphone jack
2016/01/08 10:27:59
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☄ Helpfulby Beagle 2016/01/08 11:19:20
Great!! Just what I needed to hear.
How am I going to connect my Bluetooth headphones now???
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Re: Apple to drop 3.5mm headphone jack
2016/01/08 10:42:11
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☄ Helpfulby Brando 2016/01/08 19:00:12
Further guaranteeing I am unlikely the EVER buy a Mac unless I all of a sudden start sh*tting golden turds. Idiots. Edit: But if this only affects iPhones... well that's not quite as obnoxious/nonsensical. Just stupid and greedy. If I ever wanted some ridiculous phone/computer/pocket stalker device I'd probably go with one of the many other options for half the price.
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Re: Apple to drop 3.5mm headphone jack
2016/01/08 10:55:11
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Further guaranteeing I am unlikely the EVER buy a Mac unless I all of a sudden start sh*tting golden turds.
Idiots.
I have never spent a nickel on a Mac of any kind. I did win, from my job, a small 8 Gig iPod, but I did not like the iTunes interference on my computers and network, and 6 months later I gave it away to my neighbor! But both Apple and Microsoft need a serious major loss ... like 20% of their business ... so the media will jump on them ... what happened ... and the bad stuff will come out until the cancer is weened out! And worse ... the media kissing on that SJ special and movie is sick! Totally sick!
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Re: Apple to drop 3.5mm headphone jack
2016/01/08 11:08:35
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bitflipper
So WTF is Sennheiser talking about?
Nobody reads these things anymore and no one takes these words and people to task anymore ... if they did, half these companies would be dead, because no one would be stupid enough to help them with a nickel! But advertising makes it seem right and good, and we're too dumb ... to fight it. Or too desensitized! Take your choice!
hmmm...apparently someone does. Bit? 
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Re: Apple to drop 3.5mm headphone jack
2016/01/08 11:09:13
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☄ Helpfulby BobF 2016/01/08 16:41:23
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Re: Apple to drop 3.5mm headphone jack
2016/01/08 11:22:35
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Apple has definitely gone downhill since Jobs died. I've been using iPhones for a good few years now and they have always been rock solid for me until the last year. The 2 most recent major iOS updates have made my relativey new phone more sluggish and less responsive, and they also introduced some horrible bugs related to text selection/copy/paste which make working with text a frustrating nightmare. No sign of them correcting or even acknowledging the bugs.
If they really do go with this connector change I think I will jump ship. As an audio enthusiast there is no way I am going to have a limited range of compatible headphones imposed on me, and using an unwieldy adaptor with my favorite headphones is not an option.
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Re: Apple to drop 3.5mm headphone jack
2016/01/08 11:51:29
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Beepster
Further guaranteeing I am unlikely the EVER buy a Mac unless I all of a sudden start sh*tting golden turds.
Idiots.
I have never spent a nickel on a Mac of any kind. I did win, from my job, a small 8 Gig iPod, but I did not like the iTunes interference on my computers and network, and 6 months later I gave it away to my neighbor!
But both Apple and Microsoft need a serious major loss ... like 20% of their business ... so the media will jump on them ... what happened ... and the bad stuff will come out until the cancer is weened out!
And worse ... the media kissing on that SJ special and movie is sick! Totally sick!
I think they make good stuff but their philosophy of "MAC ALL THE THINGS!!!" is obnoxious in it's cultiness and their stuff is prohibitively overpriced. It's same reason I would never go out of my way to set up a Pro Tools rig. I'm sure it's a Jim dandy of a DAW when you got all the googaws and bobbles to go with it but by that point I'd be setting the bloody thing on fire to keep warm in my cardboard box. And why the heck would I go to that level of insanity when there are perfectly good (if not much better) alternatives out there that aren't proprietary, bank busting, froo froo setups that INSIST on themselves. It just makes no sense.
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Re: Apple to drop 3.5mm headphone jack
2016/01/08 12:30:08
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iPhones have reached the point of feature saturation. In order to entice you to buy more of them they have resorted to planned obsolescence and feature honing. Right now their big advancements seem to focus on the reduction of size and weight. To make the phones thinner and lighter they have to get rid of external connectors like the 3.5 mm jack.
Too bad they don't focus as hard on lowering the price and improving the life expectancy of their products.
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Re: Apple to drop 3.5mm headphone jack
2016/01/08 12:33:10
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Sennheiser had this to say: "in the audio world we've seen different connection standards come and go for many years".
Excuse me? What connection standards would those be? The quarter-inch plug and jack date back to the 1800's, starting with telephone exchanges with manual operators. The 3.5mm version has been around since the late 50's, with the advent of the transistor radio. The XLR connector goes back to 1950, the RCA phono plug to the early 40's. So WTF is Sennheiser talking about?
You might have forgotten about the use of DIN connectors, as they kinda came and went.  But Apple is Apple and they are to HW what Microsoft is to file formats for Word and Excel.
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Re: Apple to drop 3.5mm headphone jack
2016/01/08 13:13:58
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You might have forgotten about the use of DIN connectors, as they kinda came and went.
You mean like Midi plugs that no one uses anymore because we've all fitted USB ports to our '80s synths.... And then there's SCART connectors for your VTR...
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Re: Apple to drop 3.5mm headphone jack
2016/01/08 14:17:00
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You might have forgotten about the use of DIN connectors, as they kinda came and went.
You mean like Midi plugs that no one uses anymore because we've all fitted USB ports to our '80s synths....
Similar connectors, but for audio not Midi (I still use Midi - does that mean I've come and gone? ): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIN_connector#Analog_audio
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Re: Apple to drop 3.5mm headphone jack
2016/01/08 14:27:45
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How's about "banana" plugs? Ludicrous thingies those be izzen.
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Re: Apple to drop 3.5mm headphone jack
2016/01/08 14:31:08
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bitflipper
Sennheiser had this to say: "in the audio world we've seen different connection standards come and go for many years".
So WTF is Sennheiser talking about?
Perhaps they are speaking in a geological time frame reference..... if so, yeah.... the quarter inch jack thing was a blip on the screen..... a passing fad.
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Re: Apple to drop 3.5mm headphone jack
2016/01/08 16:18:50
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Apple has definitely gone downhill since Jobs died. I've been using iPhones for a good few years now and they have always been rock solid for me until the last year. The 2 most recent major iOS updates have made my relativey new phone more sluggish and less responsive, and they also introduced some horrible bugs related to text selection/copy/paste which make working with text a frustrating nightmare. No sign of them correcting or even acknowledging the bugs.
If they really do go with this connector change I think I will jump ship. As an audio enthusiast there is no way I am going to have a limited range of compatible headphones imposed on me, and using an unwieldy adaptor with my favorite headphones is not an option.
Ditto. In fact, ever since Jobs died, the rate at which they pump out OS upgrades has doubled. And yet, a lot of the same issues that were present when I switched to Mac 5 years ago are still not addressed. Not to mention that some of those upgrades introduce bugs which they cannot NOT know about prior to release - AirDrop not working at all under El Capitan is not something that could go unnoticed, it's not like it's an obscure functionality affecting only certain configurations... And yet, they released it. In the meantime, every new update of iTunes seems to break something, while, there too, bugs (such as iTunes randomly splitting albums) remain unfixed. Seemingly forever. The one thing I can't complain about is Logic X. That was indeed a stellar release. Even though they have yet to make it as rock solid as version 9. But then, that one was phenomenal. And yet, every time I pick up my Android or mess with our Samsung TV, I am reminded of how much there still is to love about Apple products for me. That being said, in the case of the headphone jack, I can't say a positive thing about them. A very bad idea, which has no motive I can think of except greed. I wonder how my wife will like that news... Her iPhone is actually a work tool for her, and has been ever since iPhones came out. It's not like she could switch w/o loosing a lot of data - and wasting a lot of time and energy getting used to a new phone (not to mention incompatibility w/ iTunes and all). The catch is that my wife NEVER use Apple earbuds as they don't fit her ears. So now, she'd have to buy some expensive ones that are designed exclusively for her phone...
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Re: Apple to drop 3.5mm headphone jack
2016/01/08 16:21:00
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You might have forgotten about the use of DIN connectors, as they kinda came and went.
I can still buy 5-pin DIN cables at Target. If I want any of the hundreds of other DIN connectors I have to go downtown, but they're available.
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Re: Apple to drop 3.5mm headphone jack
2016/01/08 19:39:15
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Apple has definitely gone downhill since Jobs died. I've been using iPhones for a good few years now and they have always been rock solid for me until the last year. The 2 most recent major iOS updates have made my relativey new phone more sluggish and less responsive, and they also introduced some horrible bugs related to text selection/copy/paste which make working with text a frustrating nightmare. No sign of them correcting or even acknowledging the bugs.
If they really do go with this connector change I think I will jump ship. As an audio enthusiast there is no way I am going to have a limited range of compatible headphones imposed on me, and using an unwieldy adaptor with my favorite headphones is not an option.
Ditto.
In fact, ever since Jobs died, the rate at which they pump out OS upgrades has doubled. And yet, a lot of the same issues that were present when I switched to Mac 5 years ago are still not addressed. Not to mention that some of those upgrades introduce bugs which they cannot NOT know about prior to release - AirDrop not working at all under El Capitan is not something that could go unnoticed, it's not like it's an obscure functionality affecting only certain configurations... And yet, they released it.
In the meantime, every new update of iTunes seems to break something, while, there too, bugs (such as iTunes randomly splitting albums) remain unfixed. Seemingly forever.
The one thing I can't complain about is Logic X. That was indeed a stellar release. Even though they have yet to make it as rock solid as version 9. But then, that one was phenomenal.
And yet, every time I pick up my Android or mess with our Samsung TV, I am reminded of how much there still is to love about Apple products for me.
That being said, in the case of the headphone jack, I can't say a positive thing about them. A very bad idea, which has no motive I can think of except greed. I wonder how my wife will like that news... Her iPhone is actually a work tool for her, and has been ever since iPhones came out. It's not like she could switch w/o loosing a lot of data - and wasting a lot of time and energy getting used to a new phone (not to mention incompatibility w/ iTunes and all).
The catch is that my wife NEVER use Apple earbuds as they don't fit her ears. So now, she'd have to buy some expensive ones that are designed exclusively for her phone...
I'm the same with the earbuds, no matter how firmly I mash them in there they just slip out like a couple of overgrown M&M's. I can't even make a phone call with them, even if I sit perfectly still. Yeah there's still loads to love about iPhones, I run a good proportion of my business on mine and apart from the crap that's gone wrong over the last few updates they do work really well. If they didn't, there's no way I would have switched from BlackBerry because I had a love affair with that keyboard. How many years on and I still can't type for crap on a touch screen? Doesn't make things any better that the iOS autocorrect is one of its worst features (plz stop changing "etc" to "Eric" thnx). Maybe if this headphone crap pulls off I'll give an Android phone a whirl. Fortunately for me I don't store any data on my phone without it being on the cloud (e.g. all my calendars are Google calendars) so technically I'm not tied to iOS.
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Re: Apple to drop 3.5mm headphone jack
2016/01/08 22:37:06
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Has anyone got a link to an actual announcement by Apple about this? All I can find are reports about reports about rumours about rumours from unnamed sources with no named reliable source at Apple for any of it.
It might even make sense on the phones, especially if the rumoured noise-reduction technology is included.
Apple didn't get where they are by making nothing but bad decisions, and the cynic in me does wonder if having lots of stuff about all going on about the iPhone 7 months before it will see the light of day might even be a marketing ploy.
Does anyone but me remember the widespread rumours that MS were going to make us use USB sticks as RAM in Vista? Rumours based on a complete misunderstanding of what the "turboboost" function would do with a USB stick - use it for virtual memory when the size of the data to be written to virtual RAM meant a stick could handle it faster than a hard disk because a stick has faster access times than a rotating platter. Worked rather well as I recall.
Then there were the rumours that you would have to rent Windows. Or that all your data would have to be stored on MS servers, or in iCloud if you use a Mac. Or that applications would no longer be storable locally but everything done by running them on MS servers. Or that PCs would only be available as "black boxes" built by Intel and licensed corporations because every component would need to be soldered to the motherboard to make the i7 chip work.
Unless and until it has a verifiable source I regard these kind of rumours with a little scepticism.
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Re: Apple to drop 3.5mm headphone jack
2016/01/08 22:46:25
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Maybe if this headphone crap pulls off I'll give an Android phone a whirl.
The android grass may look greener but it comes with perils of its own. Just bought a cheap android phone for my 80 year old father in law and my wife is setting it up. My brother and sister in law use Android and they've just sent her an email of all the Android updates to avoid because they break something. Some telecom companies apparently limit making Android updates for their phones available to the first 12 months of a phone contract, so that might be worth checking out.
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Re: Apple to drop 3.5mm headphone jack
2016/01/08 23:42:17
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Re: Apple to drop 3.5mm headphone jack
2016/01/08 23:42:58
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Maybe if this headphone crap pulls off I'll give an Android phone a whirl.
The android grass may look greener but it comes with perils of its own. Just bought a cheap android phone for my 80 year old father in law and my wife is setting it up. My brother and sister in law use Android and they've just sent her an email of all the Android updates to avoid because they break something.
Some telecom companies apparently limit making Android updates for their phones available to the first 12 months of a phone contract, so that might be worth checking out.
Yeah I've heard pretty much the same thing, with certain manufacturers and phone companies crippling features and adding their own pointless crap.
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Re: Apple to drop 3.5mm headphone jack
2016/01/09 06:31:15
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☄ Helpfulby tlw 2016/01/09 10:30:38
arstechnica
The "iPhone 7" rumor mill kicked into overdrive this week when Fast Company reported that the design may ditch the standard 3.5mm headphone jack to make the phone thinner. The report echoes a similar, shakier report from Japanese website Mac Okatara back in November, but Fast Company and 9to5Mac both have anonymous sources who lend extra weight to the claim. Ah, anonymous sources... Must be true then..
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Re: Apple to drop 3.5mm headphone jack
2016/01/09 10:27:50
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Here's a link to the story:
http://arstechnica.com/ap...-3-5mm-headphone-jack/
I could give lots of links to similar articles, including from the British press, reporting about internet reports about what an anonymous source might have said to someone else, but there seems to be nothing that ties in to an original source that is remotely firm or attributable. Until then as far as I'm concerned it's all treatable as yet another internet conspiracy theory that gets reported by media outlets desperate for a new story every 20 minutes. Then the rest of the media reports those reports, and the reports in turn get used as feedback to support the conspiracy theory being true so there are more reports and the whole thing goes round and round in a feedback loop. We'll just have to wait and see I guess.
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Re: Apple to drop 3.5mm headphone jack
2016/01/09 11:40:32
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☄ Helpfulby tlw 2016/01/09 13:56:04
Well I think we can apply a little logic here. Phone manufacturers have quite obviously elevated thinness to a high priority in the evolution of their design. They get thinner and lighter with each generation. The standard headphone jack is a bottleneck. If they want to get thinner and lighter then I guess they're going to have to rethink the connection between cans and device. Personally, device thinness isn't a priority for me. In fact I prefer my gadgets to have a bit of meat about them. If I valued thinness over headphones then the prospect of a new connector probably wouldn't worry me too much.
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Re: Apple to drop 3.5mm headphone jack
2016/01/09 11:47:27
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Apple has definitely gone downhill since Jobs died. ...
I think it was in that PBS special and interview with him, that he said something like ... "what can I say? I hired a guy that eventually fired me!" ... and I've always thought that without him, it became too much of a ... just make money company ... since the products are not quite as good as the relative machine elsewhere. AND you can not upgrade them! But, in the end ... he was the same as all of them.
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drewfx1
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Re: Apple to drop 3.5mm headphone jack
2016/01/09 12:05:34
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Apple was a money grubbing company that exploited consumers (and the people actually building its products) for it's own benefit under Jobs. But they are certainly not unique in that respect. And lots of stuff didn't work properly under Jobs too but they just blamed it on the user - and seemed to mostly be able to get away with it.
What died with Jobs is more the myth than anything else.
And myth is hard to build, hard to maintain and hard to replace - particularly when everyone is watching the new guy's every move with a high degree of skepticism that Jobs didn't have to deal with for a long time.
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Re: Apple to drop 3.5mm headphone jack
2016/01/09 13:52:52
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I assume Apple has not made an official announcement of this design change because they have not had sufficient time to engage a gigantic auditorium equipped with eighty foot video screens and populate it with ten thousand fanboy journalists so that a high stepping CEO can come out and snap a microphone cord like a whip while the crowd goes wild and the screen fills with...AWESOME!!!! 
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Re: Apple to drop 3.5mm headphone jack
2016/01/09 16:23:42
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Maybe they simply will be moving to USB-C (which actually makes sense).
Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
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Rain
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Re: Apple to drop 3.5mm headphone jack
2016/01/09 18:24:09
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☄ Helpfulby tlw 2016/01/10 13:16:52
drewfx1
What died with Jobs is more the myth than anything else.
As a user of Apple products myself, that is not my experience. And there seems to be a consensus among other Apple users around me, most of who can be pretty critical - and who were even before Jobs died. Maybe not the typical fanboys/legion of idiots most often portrayed as the monolithic Apple users base by people with a grudge against the company to conveniently support their argument, but not to be dismissed as an insignificant exception. Unless one's just trying to make a point. Of course, as a non-user, one's perception may be entirely different...
post edited by Rain - 2016/01/09 18:38:22
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