Mosvalve
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Arc2 help
I receive my Arc2 today and am testing it out. I took 16 m easurements around my listening position and the results below. It seems to have removed a lot of bottom end. I'm sure I'm measuring correctly. Also I assume when you export you turn off Arc. For example with Arc on I eq the bass guitar and it sounds good, not too bottom. I turn off Arc and the bass is boomy. I though this software is suppose to make what you hear a truer sound of the source? All suggestion are appreciated.
post edited by Mosvalve - 2014/01/12 00:22:13
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Mosvalve
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Re: Arc2 help
2014/01/11 22:08:49
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I tried to attach an image but it won't work. I can't even edit my post it freezes up so I had to reply to it.
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Re: Arc2 help
2014/01/11 23:13:02
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Wow! That's a long post! I just got my ARC2 today as well. My room had a null (I guess) at around 30 to 50hz give or take and some build up around 120 - 300hz or so. I put it on my latest song and it sound like crap. After a while remixing I can tell there is much more clarity now and it still sounds good (maybe better) with headphones.
I have mine set up where I have a send from the Master going to a dedicated headphone bus. My Master bus does not have ARC on it. I put that on my Main Outs (audio interface outs separate from the headphone out. I don't have to worry about turning ARC off for mixdown, export or headphone listening.
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bapu
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Re: Arc2 help
2014/01/11 23:14:32
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ARC is intended to correct the deficiencies in the room (while you are mixing). If your room is boomy then with ARC off, which yes you turn off for export, the will sound boomy. But remember that is your room your hearing (with ARC off).
So the real test is to take your mix to other environments and see how the mix translates. If for example your mixes sound better in the car (assuing you don't the rappers delight sound system in your car) than before you mixes with ARC you can be sure ARC helped you to make a better mix.
In my room which is pretty boomy, ARC definitely helps to control that boominess whale listening through the speakers.
I'm sure you know thi but NEVER listen with your headphones thru ARC. It will sound so wrong.
HTH.
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Re: Arc2 help
2014/01/11 23:16:15
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Put another way, if your room is boomy and you've (before ARC) compensated by thinning out the bass but in other environments it seems like you have no bass, then ARC is showing why you've been compensating wrongly in the past.
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Re: Arc2 help
2014/01/11 23:20:17
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[image]file:///C:/Users/Jimbo/Pictures/ARC2Pic.PNG[/image] Don't know if this will work, but this is my Frequency plot FWIW. Edit: It didn't. I'll have to work on that. 
post edited by Jimbo21 - 2014/01/11 23:25:21
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Re: Arc2 help
2014/01/11 23:31:07
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Here was my ARC curve  Here is my ARC 2 curve 
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Re: Arc2 help
2014/01/11 23:50:18
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Do you have a sub or are they close to wall ? cause i find they go pretty low for some mackies !!
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Re: Arc2 help
2014/01/11 23:51:23
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Interesting. Looks fairly similar from 1 to 2. Does one sound very different from the other? I seem to remember Danny Danzi saying ARC2 sounded almost too good and he kind of preferred ARC1 at when ARC2 first came out.
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Re: Arc2 help
2014/01/11 23:53:31
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i find ARC 2 more precise , and feature wise it's worth of it ...the thing is that i also changed monitors when i went from Arc 1 to 2
But all i can say is that ARC is by far one of the best investement i did those last years
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Re: Arc2 help
2014/01/12 00:10:25
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I have a sub connected and my monitors are close the wall. Should I set the monitors and sub to all default settings before I take measurements? Also I know Arc2 needs to be set for 48k for measurements but this does not apply when it's running on the bus right?
How do you add an image? It won't let me paste one in?
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Re: Arc2 help
2014/01/12 02:02:58
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Mosvalve
How do you add an image? It won't let me paste one in?
I keep my images on photobucket and they have a link address and I use the icon to insert a picture URL.
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Re: Arc2 help
2014/01/12 06:41:34
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I'm gonna try posting an image of my Arc2. Not sure if this matters but my monitors are 31 inches apart. Is that too close? 
post edited by Mosvalve - 2014/01/12 06:48:03
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Re: Arc2 help
2014/01/12 09:48:26
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Well, I'm trying the photobucket method for posting images. This is my ARC2 plot. As might be apparent, I have no sub. 
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Re: Arc2 help
2014/01/12 11:42:43
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Mosvalve
I'm gonna try posting an image of my Arc2. Not sure if this matters but my monitors are 31 inches apart. Is that too close?
See that gold line? You've got a boomy room (more so than mine). See that white line? Arc has compensated most excellently.
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Re: Arc2 help
2014/01/12 11:45:35
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Jimbo21
Well, I'm trying the photobucket method for posting images. This is my ARC2 plot. As might be apparent, I have no sub.
See those dips on the left? You've either not done equal distance measuring or you've got some really radical physical stuff happening in your room. Maybe you have no treatment? One thing to remember, ARC will not be as effective on a non-minimally-treated room.
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Re: Arc2 help
2014/01/12 12:17:50
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Mosvalve
I have a sub connected and my monitors are close the wall. Should I set the monitors and sub to all default settings before I take measurements? Also I know Arc2 needs to be set for 48k for measurements but this does not apply when it's running on the bus right?
One of the side benefits of ARC is the freq response plot you see after doing your measurements. Even if you think your room isn't a problem, you may be surprised at how bumpy that curve is. To get the most out of ARC, you ought to adjust the placement and settings of your monitors and sub so that the uncorrected plot is as flat as possible. Time consuming, yes, but worth the effort IMHO. When measuring, it also pays to be precise as possible with mic placement. ARC seems to get confused if you don't follow the manual's suggested technique of starting with dead center, then left and right at exactly symmetrical positions for the rest of the measurements. Using a tape measure is not overkill. And yes, the measuring is done at 48k, but the correction can handle anything up to 192k. Cheers, Eddie
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Re: Arc2 help
2014/01/12 12:26:09
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Eddie TX
When measuring, it also pays to be precise as possible with mic placement. ARC seems to get confused if you don't follow the manual's suggested technique of starting with dead center, then left and right at exactly symmetrical positions for the rest of the measurements. Using a tape measure is not overkill.
With ARC2 I used a tape measure and a T-Square and put tape on the floor with exact marks and then made sure the center of the mic stand was on that tape mark. With ARC 1 i just kind of marked it off. It shows (I think) in the comparison of my two screen shots (that were many months apart).
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Re: Arc2 help
2014/01/12 13:33:32
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I made a grid of sorts on the floor in front of my speakers and used a tape measure to ensure accurate measure points. I then taped a laser pointer to the measurement mic so that I could be sure the mic was directly above each of the measurement points.
I think it is also recommended that you take the measurements in the area you are most likely to be in when you are using ARC - ARC allows for different measurement profiles; I made one for my primary mixing position, but you can also make one for the listening couch position (for clients), but this profile is only good for clients in the listening couch position and I wouldn't use it otherwise.
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Re: Arc2 help
2014/01/12 17:47:08
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Jimbo21
Well, I'm trying the photobucket method for posting images. This is my ARC2 plot. As might be apparent, I have no sub.
See those dips on the left? You've either not done equal distance measuring or you've got some really radical physical stuff happening in your room. Maybe you have no treatment?
One thing to remember, ARC will not be as effective on a non-minimally-treated room.
I thought it was because I don't have a sub. I have traps in the corners and treatment on the side wall at the listening position as well. My room is asymmetrical though with a high kind of vaulted type ceiling. I did not use a measuring tape, just eyeballed the mic placement. I guess it's back to the old drafting board for another go. And thanks for letting me know.
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Re: Arc2 help
2014/01/12 19:47:47
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I took measurements like they recommend in the manual. I did it different the first time. This is the results from the recommended way.  This is the first measurement compared to above.
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Re: Arc2 help
2014/01/12 21:06:09
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I'd say you're in great shape there Bob.
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