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Are There Any Wavelab 7 Users Out There That Can Help with Shared Plug-Ins?
Hey Folks--
You never appreciate how great the Cakewalk forum users are at helping you until you go to another company's forums (insert .wav of crickets here)
Anyway, I've got WL7 and it has some great plug-ins I'd like to use in X2. (I did not install WL nor X2 in the dafualt folder locations (by design)--FYI).
I can't seem to get X2 to list the WL plug-ins in my audio effects selections. I scan the proper folder(s) in X2 vst options, but the plugs just don't show.
Both the WL and X2 versions I'm using are 64-bit, as is my OS = W7.
Any help is appreciated--as always.
Thanks,
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Re:Are There Any Wavelab 7 Users Out There That Can Help with Shared Plug-Ins?
2013/04/25 16:13:20
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Steinberg as a rule will not allow other programs to use any bundled plugins. However, though they have improved the quality of their plugins that are bundled they still don't match the quality of CW's plugins. I wouldn't bother trying to use WL's plugins in X2 Pro. Its not worth the effort.
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Re:Are There Any Wavelab 7 Users Out There That Can Help with Shared Plug-Ins?
2013/04/25 16:41:41
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I'm wondering if the Wavelab 7 plug-ins are only VST3, which Sonar doesn't support.
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Re:Are There Any Wavelab 7 Users Out There That Can Help with Shared Plug-Ins?
2013/04/25 16:54:36
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brconflict
I'm wondering if the Wavelab 7 plug-ins are only VST3, which Sonar doesn't support.
That is also true.
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Re:Are There Any Wavelab 7 Users Out There That Can Help with Shared Plug-Ins?
2013/04/25 17:49:56
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brconflict
I'm wondering if the Wavelab 7 plug-ins are only VST3, which Sonar doesn't support.
Some are 3, but not all. I guess if they are VST3 they don't work in X2. What about VST2?
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Re:Are There Any Wavelab 7 Users Out There That Can Help with Shared Plug-Ins?
2013/04/25 18:06:18
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If you read my post above I explained that Steinberg does not let you use their plugins that are bundled in other programs. They are locked to the Steinberg programs.
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Re:Are There Any Wavelab 7 Users Out There That Can Help with Shared Plug-Ins?
2013/04/25 19:26:43
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John
If you read my post above I explained that Steinberg does not let you use their plugins that are bundled in other programs. They are locked to the Steinberg programs.
Got it. Must have gotten confused by this statement after your earlier post: brconflict
I'm wondering if the Wavelab 7 plug-ins are only VST3, which Sonar doesn't support.
That is also true. <-- You said
post edited by razor - 2013/04/26 17:29:06
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Re:Are There Any Wavelab 7 Users Out There That Can Help with Shared Plug-Ins?
2013/04/26 10:44:25
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I hoping Wavelab 8 will behave a lot better with other plugins then 7 has. What a hassel. I installed both 64 and 32 bit versions of WL 7 and some plugins show up in one, some in the other and I cannot get them to happen any other way. And I know what you mean about other forums. CW is the bomb! ALWAYS get help here, 90 % leading to a solution. You guys are awesome!
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Re:Are There Any Wavelab 7 Users Out There That Can Help with Shared Plug-Ins?
2013/04/26 10:49:22
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Written into the VST spec is the ability of a plugin to identify its host. Steinberg put that in for the express purpose of developing plugins that would only run in Steinberg hosts, or in third-party hosts that have paid a fee to Steinberg.
To be fair, Steinberg isn't the only vendor guilty of this practice. There are some great plugins in Adobe Audition that I'd love to be able to use in SONAR, but they were commissioned by Adobe from iZotope and coded to only run within Audition.
 All else is in doubt, so this is the truth I cling to. My Stuff
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Re:Are There Any Wavelab 7 Users Out There That Can Help with Shared Plug-Ins?
2013/04/26 11:30:42
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I currently have an issue with Wavelab 7 not recognizing 32-bit plug-ins (many), so my world has gotten complex:
1) To use 32-Bit Flux or Algorithmix plug-ins that I paid good money for and love dearly for Mastering. Wavelab 7-64 bit will not recognize them.
2) As a result, I have to install the 32-bit version of Wavelab 7. This alone is very doable and successful, but!
3) Waves enters the picture and screws this all up. WaveShell has some fault that seems to crash Wavelab AND Sonar X2 many many times over when trying to open them, since it installs both 32 and 64-bit versions.
Even if I try to "hide" the 32-bit versions of Waves from Sonar, and "hide" the 64-bit versions from Wavelab 7, they both still regularly crash when trying to open Waves plug-ins.
Brian Sonar Platinum, Steinberg Wavelab Pro 9, MOTU 24CoreIO w/ low-slew OP-AMP mods and BLA external clock, True P8, Audient ASP008, API 512c, Chandler Germ500, Summit 2ba-221, GAP Pre-73, Peluso 22251, Peluso 2247LE, Mackie HR824, Polk Audio SRS-SDA 2.3tl w/upgraded Soniccraft crossovers and Goertz cables, powered by Pass-X350. All wiring Star-Quad XLR or Monster Cable. Power by Monster Power Signature AVS2000 voltage stabilizer and Signature Pro Power 5100 PowerCenter on a 20A isolation shielded circuit.
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Re:Are There Any Wavelab 7 Users Out There That Can Help with Shared Plug-Ins?
2013/04/26 13:18:05
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It's worrisome as I remember reading in this forum a few years ago that Steinberg bailed on some updates for, I think, Cubse 5 and they never did deliver on the promised updates and just went to 6 and expected all those customers to pay for the next generation upgrade. It really pissed off a lot of their users off and a bunch came over to Sonar as a result.
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Re:Are There Any Wavelab 7 Users Out There That Can Help with Shared Plug-Ins?
2013/04/26 14:48:09
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in fairness, there are plug-ins bundled with Sonar that won't run outside Sonar... fewer than there used to be I think, but they still exist.
Every vendor does this... for obvious reasons<G>
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Re:Are There Any Wavelab 7 Users Out There That Can Help with Shared Plug-Ins?
2013/04/26 15:18:39
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Bundling is cool for people who can totally use them and to entice new customers.
For me, I'd rather see the DAW in question work more on their own product rather than trying to cram a bunch of stuff in and have me pay for the license to not use it.
I realize this is not the way everyone feels, but it's certainly how I feel.
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Re:Are There Any Wavelab 7 Users Out There That Can Help with Shared Plug-Ins?
2013/04/26 15:41:05
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John
Steinberg as a rule will not allow other programs to use any bundled plugins. However, though they have improved the quality of their plugins that are bundled they still don't match the quality of CW's plugins. I wouldn't bother trying to use WL's plugins in X2 Pro. Its not worth the effort.
Kinda to underline that... I've made some of Steinberg's plugs work in SONAR. (I don't remember which ones though.) However, in spite of the fact that I actually use WaveLab a lot more often than I use SONAR...I have only used their multi-band compressor...and even then, not all that often...and only because the (then) current version of SONAR's LP-64 Multi-band was having issues with WaveLab. (I think that's been cleared up.) I've never had a useful reason to use any of Steinberg's plugs in SONAR...so I don't feel like I'm missing much. I use SONAR's plugs in WaveLab all the time.
post edited by dantarbill - 2013/04/26 20:02:42
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Re:Are There Any Wavelab 7 Users Out There That Can Help with Shared Plug-Ins?
2013/04/26 17:26:53
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I currently have an issue with Wavelab 7 not recognizing 32-bit plug-ins (many), so my world has gotten complex:
1) To use 32-Bit Flux or Algorithmix plug-ins that I paid good money for and love dearly for Mastering. Wavelab 7-64 bit will not recognize them.
2) As a result, I have to install the 32-bit version of Wavelab 7. This alone is very doable and successful, but!
3) Waves enters the picture and screws this all up. WaveShell has some fault that seems to crash Wavelab AND Sonar X2 many many times over when trying to open them, since it installs both 32 and 64-bit versions.
Even if I try to "hide" the 32-bit versions of Waves from Sonar, and "hide" the 64-bit versions from Wavelab 7, they both still regularly crash when trying to open Waves plug-ins.
Bro--I can't empathize enough. Let me just say jbridge helped me use 64-bit host programs with 32-bit plug-ins. There is a demo that is recommended you test first. I've had a couple questions about using it and got replies the same day from the makers that always helped. You shouldn't be forced to use a 32-bit host just because your plug-ins are 32-bit.
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Re:Are There Any Wavelab 7 Users Out There That Can Help with Shared Plug-Ins?
2013/04/29 11:18:32
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Unfortunately, any bridging is horrid for me in Wavelab (unsupported by them as well), and will drastically reduce the number of channels I can mix in Sonar. So, I'm avoiding any bridging at all costs, even at the cost of crashes. Sorry about that, but bridging, even Jbridging has been very problematic for me.
Brian Sonar Platinum, Steinberg Wavelab Pro 9, MOTU 24CoreIO w/ low-slew OP-AMP mods and BLA external clock, True P8, Audient ASP008, API 512c, Chandler Germ500, Summit 2ba-221, GAP Pre-73, Peluso 22251, Peluso 2247LE, Mackie HR824, Polk Audio SRS-SDA 2.3tl w/upgraded Soniccraft crossovers and Goertz cables, powered by Pass-X350. All wiring Star-Quad XLR or Monster Cable. Power by Monster Power Signature AVS2000 voltage stabilizer and Signature Pro Power 5100 PowerCenter on a 20A isolation shielded circuit.
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