Beagle
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Re: Are we all capable of being the next Beethoven?
2014/06/30 15:30:06
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"We already have all the knowledge we will almost ever need in making music"...
Where to begin (I will be a bit blunt)????
Especially with "serious" composition, that sentence implies that I already know all I will need to know about orchestration, counterpoint, and harmony, not to mention the tonal characteristics of every available instrument and the variations of timbre throughout the instrument's range. Oh, and I should add the impact of all the different bowing techniques on string instruments, breath requirements and techniques for woodwind and brass instruments... etc., etc., etc. In short, virtually no one "knows it all".
And as for Beethoven, all indications are that he was a real pain to deal with at times, because he certainly did know that he was that good.
It would actually be knowledge that you are aware of since you are able to create any sound/instrument/song in your head, but it would be knowledge that you can't put into words. As for physical aspects like the ones you've stated, you don't have knowledge naturally of that. But, again, in terms of mental knowledge used to create any song or sound in your head, you have practically all the knowledge you need as this was all knowledge obtained naturally throughout your entire life.
So my question would be, again, since we already have all this knowledge, then couldn't we create the next greatest song in our heads if we just channeled deep enough within ourselves? If not, could you explain why?
I'm certainly not going to tell anyone that they are not capable of doing something they want to do. so I say yes, it's possible. go for it!
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Re: Are we all capable of being the next Beethoven?
2014/06/30 15:31:09
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You will have to talk to Janet or Karyn if they show up I guess. Head Chief has made his decision about the Wendy Carlos already in that form of job.  I have nothing to say about it.
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Re: Are we all capable of being the next Beethoven?
2014/06/30 15:32:57
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Re: Are we all capable of being the next Beethoven?
2014/06/30 15:36:29
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I try to compose my songs completely in my mind before I record anything. For me that takes longer to produce a final product but it's usually worth the wait. If I draw blanks for an original song I do a cover tune. Listen to Miles Davis' version of Autumn Leaves then my version. I had it completely worked out in my mind before I picked up an instrument. The end end result is what you hear and it's right on what I had before I started recording. For me, it keeps my imagination "ready" for composing. P.S. I forgot to mention that it matters not if your song sucks or not. I just saying it's what I do 
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Re: Are we all capable of being the next Beethoven?
2014/06/30 16:07:44
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Here he is for those who did not know (I did not know) Wendy Carlos. She was a He before He became a She! (but that was awhile back now). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqbo-SXvTns So then perhaps that will be the next Beethoven or Bach or Mozart.  I do not know.
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Re: Are we all capable of being the next Beethoven?
2014/06/30 16:14:18
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spacealf - how does that answer the OP's original questions? that's what my problem is...your answer doesn't make sense to me if you read the original questions.
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Re: Are we all capable of being the next Beethoven?
2014/06/30 16:18:42
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Are we all capable of being the next Beethoven?
No!
And to me that answer is the obvious one.
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Re: Are we all capable of being the next Beethoven?
2014/06/30 16:21:34
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spacealf
Are we all capable of being the next Beethoven?
No!
And to me that answer is the obvious one.
Ok.
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Re: Are we all capable of being the next Beethoven?
2014/06/30 16:41:26
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You have to be considered by others more like this person is and was. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWe74Dmpp3s All the music can be in your head all you want to, without anybody else thinking it is good, then it seems to be all irrelevant. (to me in my humble bumble opinion).
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Re: Are we all capable of being the next Beethoven?
2014/06/30 16:57:26
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Tornado horns are sireening. Is that music?
Bye!
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Re: Are we all capable of being the next Beethoven?
2014/06/30 17:17:40
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I Am irrelevant for sure!
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Re: Are we all capable of being the next Beethoven?
2014/06/30 17:23:44
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 I think Beagle has the best shot at being like the next Beethoven.
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spacealf
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Re: Are we all capable of being the next Beethoven?
2014/06/30 18:50:26
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I always have been irrelevant. That is 25 pedal notes on an (okay then - Hammond) and at one time it was 32 pedal notes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammond_organ"Hammond console organs come with a wooden pedalboard played with the feet, for bass notes. Most Hammond pedalboards have 25 notes, with the top note a middle C, because Hammond found that on traditional 32-note pedalboards used in churches, the top seven notes were seldom used." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pipe organs you will have to look up yourself if you want to know. Probably about the same.
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Beagle
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Re: Are we all capable of being the next Beethoven?
2014/06/30 20:08:04
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spacealf
You have to be considered by others more like this person is and was.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWe74Dmpp3s
All the music can be in your head all you want to, without anybody else thinking it is good, then it seems to be all irrelevant.
(to me in my humble bumble opinion).
THAT has made the most sense of anything you've said! THAT I understand your opinion on the subject! how many appendages it takes to play an organ is completely irrelevant, IMO.
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Re: Are we all capable of being the next Beethoven?
2014/06/30 20:44:27
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Re: Are we all capable of being the next Beethoven?
2014/06/30 22:12:05
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Beagle
how many appendages it takes to play an organ is completely irrelevant, IMO.
Such language! 
Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
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Re: Are we all capable of being the next Beethoven?
2014/07/01 00:02:29
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All the music can be in your head all you want to, without anybody else thinking it is good, then it seems to be all irrelevant.
I Am irrelevant for sure! That will never stop me from hearing or making the music I hear, good or not.
I like it.
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Re: Are we all capable of being the next Beethoven?
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Re: Are we all capable of being the next Beethoven?
2014/07/01 09:38:34
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And this forum can go to the Feds!
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Re: Are we all capable of being the next Beethoven?
2014/07/01 10:08:42
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If you believe in re-incarnation then... Beethoven -> Rick Wakeman.
I would say that Edgar Froese makes both of these look like kids in a crib!
As a wise Guy once stated from his holy chapala ... none of the hits, none of the time ... prevents you from becoming just another turkey in the middle of all the other turkeys!
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Re: Are we all capable of being the next Beethoven?
2014/07/01 10:09:51
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Beagle
ELO's version is wayyyyyyyyyyy better!
As a wise Guy once stated from his holy chapala ... none of the hits, none of the time ... prevents you from becoming just another turkey in the middle of all the other turkeys!
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Re: Are we all capable of being the next Beethoven?
2014/07/01 10:20:44
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I'm just going to go with 'No'.
I no. I no. I no see tracks yet, no?
Got drums yet? I like tracking to real drums.
I don't think you're gonna find a drum track on the 5th or the 7th or the 9th for that matter. I would select Keith Moon, though, so he could plaster it all with cymbals and make a total spalsh!
As a wise Guy once stated from his holy chapala ... none of the hits, none of the time ... prevents you from becoming just another turkey in the middle of all the other turkeys!
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Re: Are we all capable of being the next Beethoven?
2014/07/01 10:21:46
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spacealf
That is J.S.Bach but to a modern person you may have to be like Wendy Carlos.
That's right (about my sister).
And now for your next college course on the pipe organ. (or organ??)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jXKIy_2p5U
Have Fun.
I was learning something else.
So, first you may have to change into a girl.
I'm still wondering in my head if you are not confusing this with PDQ Bach!
As a wise Guy once stated from his holy chapala ... none of the hits, none of the time ... prevents you from becoming just another turkey in the middle of all the other turkeys!
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Re: Are we all capable of being the next Beethoven?
2014/07/01 23:09:46
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Moshkiae, has Iphigenia been spotted in Brooklyn again? Was she searching for the Four Seasonings?
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Re: Are we all capable of being the next Beethoven?
2014/07/02 09:25:25
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I always liked Frankie Vivaldi and his Four Seasons.
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Re: Are we all capable of being the next Beethoven?
2014/07/02 11:10:51
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I always liked Frankie Vivaldi and his Four Seasons.
One of my favorites as well.
Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
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Re: Are we all capable of being the next Beethoven?
2014/07/03 13:47:05
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spacealf
Are we all capable of being the next Beethoven?
No!
And to me that answer is the obvious one.
Specially if all we can compose is on 4 lines on a staff! Or 3 instruments and a metronome, since that is what most drummers are these days! Gawdddd we need more Bonzo's and Moonies!
As a wise Guy once stated from his holy chapala ... none of the hits, none of the time ... prevents you from becoming just another turkey in the middle of all the other turkeys!
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Re: Are we all capable of being the next Beethoven?
2014/07/03 13:49:03
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Moshkiae, has Iphigenia been spotted in Brooklyn again? Was she searching for the Four Seasonings?
My favorite ... and dig that kazoo! Wayyyyyyy better than the cowbells ... but I'm not sure we have tied up Bapu and Strummy and Mooch to their chairs yet so they can hear it! Now that is a massive ... notation ... on the staff, don't you think?
As a wise Guy once stated from his holy chapala ... none of the hits, none of the time ... prevents you from becoming just another turkey in the middle of all the other turkeys!
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Re: Are we all capable of being the next Beethoven?
2014/07/03 14:23:42
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Having the knowledge doesn't mean having the skills.
There are surely many who know (practically) everything about music and how it's made, but they can't create it. And there are many, who know less, but can create great music.
The music of Beethoven and the likes has survived hundreds of years, and has been admitted to be work of genius by all generations and, note, also by different cultures. They were not the only good composers of their time. The notations of hundreds or thousands of others have been re-used for making book-covers, but their works are still admired as something like miracles.
They wrote their work "live" on paper with quills with perfection and speed that feels impossible today. They wrote opera masterpieces in less than a year, whereas the modern masters reach a composing speed of something like 3-5 seconds a day (the total length of the piece divided by time used) with all the technology they have. Admittedly, the modern masters may have lots of other duties, and the old masters were forced to desperate hurry in order to make ends meet.
If anyone can be the tallest man in the world, or the heaviest or fastest, then anyone can be next Beethoven. Being a genius is something you cannot learn. I do agree to that surely some genius artists are
totally ignored in the overwhelming offering of today.
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Re: Are we all capable of being the next Beethoven?
2014/07/03 15:06:08
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It is not that someone may be the next Beethoven, but to me even in his time, they wrote about what was happening also in their own way. It may be the question of whether anyone wants to be a Beethoven or so?
They may just decide that the money is not there, and I can enjoy immensely more John Williams's ET music more than even Beethoven.
Of course there may be others, but hearing them may be time consuming to find and then back then in Beethoven's time they did not have electricity, Internet, TV, movies, electronic gizmo gadgets, and perhaps more of an audience that needed music more back then for an outlet with the way things were living at that time.
Anyone can look up his life at Wikipedia. All I ever heard is that virtuoso pianists have to practice at least 7 -1/2 hours or more a day.
I know I just do not want to do that, and I am sure there are others out there in that kind of environment that also do that with other instruments.
Just the majority of people it seems just does not listen as much if at all to that kind of music.
I know without even having more people in this world nowadays as back when, they have heard John Williams's music a lot more, a lot more people.
But music is always changing so all I was bringing up is perhaps some people that others think are that way nowadays and some that really are not, but do not sound even close to Beethoven, or Bach, or Brahms or anyone of those creators of music.
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