Arrows-Remix 5/19

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Arrows-Remix 5/19

Here is a song that I wrote about a month ago and is now begging to be heard.  I did all the parts except bass guitar, which was played by my longtime friend, Roger Fife.  It's kind of a quirky look at falling in love.  I've listened to this song so many times that I've lost perspective, and I'm hoping that you all can give me some needed guidance.  Thanks to all in advance for your help.
 
It can be found here: http://www.soundclick.com...ongid=13568367&q=h
 
 
post edited by Lynn - 2017/05/20 19:31:04

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    cwestmont
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    Re: Arrows 2017/05/15 17:35:41 (permalink)
    Love that syncopated opening!  Great breaks, nice guitar work, lead vocal very clean and nicely done.  Excellent songwriting.  I think this is one of your best tunes overall.
     
    Something is slightly off in the mix, maybe it is things are too hard panned?  Maybe the crunchy rhythm guitar shouldn't be 100% hard left?  It is an important element that maybe should sit more central.  Maybe.  I am not a reliable set of ears because I hear something different every time I listen to my own stuff, so see what other folks think. 
     
    In any case, great stuff Lynn.

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    Re: Arrows 2017/05/15 18:19:52 (permalink)
    Very cool Lynn.
    The delayed guitar brings George Harrison to mind which ain't a bad thing. Love the oohs too.
    Can't comment on the mix as I was listening through my phone. Will listen again on better speakers later.
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    Re: Arrows 2017/05/15 18:31:28 (permalink)
    Really interesting beginning has a nice psychedelic twist to it. The distorted guitar does however seem to be panned hard left, which is off putting at times. The vocals however are very crisp and come across really nice. You have some good production chops there. 

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    Re: Arrows 2017/05/16 07:34:58 (permalink)
    Lots to enjoy in this Lynn, I liked it a lot, a well written song. Cool phrasing on the lead guitar fills!

     
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    Re: Arrows 2017/05/16 12:44:19 (permalink)
    Hey Lynn,
     
    If you are going to pan that guitar hard left, you may want to add delay to the right to balance it, or just go ahead and double-track it (what I would do). Then you can move that synth to the middle and everything else is perfect.
     
    Cool song, vocals and harmonies sound great. There's a lot to like in this track. Great work!
     
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    Re: Arrows 2017/05/16 13:57:08 (permalink)
    Great tune Lynn!  Well written and played.  I like the intro a lot.  Vocals sound good.  

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    Re: Arrows 2017/05/16 14:41:37 (permalink)
    I find the hard panning gives a slight feel of disconnection between the three areas of the sound stage.  Perhaps bring them in a little.  Other than that small thing, it's a nice track Lynn, thanks for sharing.

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    Re: Arrows 2017/05/16 16:37:54 (permalink)
    Thanks to all who've replied!  The panning of the instruments was my big question, too, and there seems to be a consensus that the guitar is panned too wide.  My goal was to balance the synth in the right channel with the guitar in the left channel.  The guitar is 85% left and the synth is 70% right, but I'll bring the guitar in to 70% left when I remix this.  Great ears, everybody!
     

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    Re: Arrows 2017/05/17 21:24:27 (permalink)
    Other than the mix suggestions already made, I think you've got a good song here Lynn!   The arrangement is real solid, everything seems to have its place.  Vocals sound good, both lead and harmonies, and I like the simple piano part - it adds a little something.    But musically it's those slide fills that really set it apart for me, love the lines and your use of delay.
     
    Oh.. and the little "dum-de-dum" at the end.  
     

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    Re: Arrows 2017/05/18 03:29:04 (permalink)
    Plenty of fun here, Lynn. Focusing on the lead vocal, I really like the weird delay thing on it. The delay seems to spread out to the edges. I would be tempted to bump the level of the main vocal up, I think it could leap out from the mix a little more, for intelligibility. But I'd keep those vocal delays the volume they are, for if they get louder as well, it might swamp the mix.
     
    I think this is your best vocal performance by far, and one of your most interesting mixes. Colin Hay eat your heart out.
     
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    Re: Arrows 2017/05/19 18:07:01 (permalink)
    Steve, as always, I appreciate your kind words and observations.  Btw, the slide guitar is played through a preset in TH3 (bank 1, #5), and I merely adjusted the delay time.
     
    Tom, your words are very encouraging, and I did remix this and boost the lead vocal a bit.
     
    To the rest of you that suggested I bring in the rhythm guitar, I did in the new remix ( http://www.soundclick.com...ongid=13568367&q=h), which can be found in post #1, too.

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    Re: Arrows 2017/05/19 18:36:17 (permalink)
    Great song Lynn, very catchy!
     
    Here would be my suggestions, take them for whatever they're worth*
     
    The synth on the right - pan it in around half of what it is.  It's pulling the mix to the one side and a bit distracting.
    The bass seems to be masking the kick (which sounds great in the places where the bass stops).  Maybe run a High-pass filter on the bass to separate the two instruments.
    Maybe duplicate those oooh vocals and put on some heavy reverb?
     
    It's really good as it stands, but to me those are changes I'd make.
     
     
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    Re: Arrows 2017/05/19 20:58:15 (permalink)
    It is always a treat to hear what you are posting.  As usual you have done an excellent job on composing, performing and producing this song.  I particularly like the lead guitar work, vocals, the background oooo's, and the delayed background vocal responses right near the end.
     
    Terrific stuff my friend!!!
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    Re: Arrows 2017/05/20 19:56:01 (permalink)
    What a great song, Lynn! The vocals, both the lead and the harmonies, are just excellent! The lead guitar playing is also super good.
     
    In fact, all of the instruments come across full and hearty and the overall sound and feel are full of life. (The panning issue that's already been covered is just a minor mixing adjustment.)
     
    Of everything, the lead vocal and those yummy background harmonies are my favourites. You are so talented, Lynn ... it's a real pleasure to listen to your work. Thanks!
     
    LJ
     
      P.S. On listening to your second link, the remix, the whole thing sounds even better :)
     
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    Re: Arrows 2017/05/21 02:52:38 (permalink)
    Hi there Lynn, great mix.  I also liked the introduction guitar work and synth sound.  
     
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    Re: Arrows 2017/05/21 16:30:48 (permalink)
    Matt, I'm really impressed that you put so much thought into this,and it gave me some food for thought;)  Thanks for taking the time.
     
    Freddy, it's always good to hear your kind words.  Thanks a million!
     
    Laura, I appreciate that you listened a second time and your comments.  To be honest, I wasn't sure if I liked this song myself, but I'm starting to gain confidence in it.
     
    Lester, thanks for taking the time to listen and comment!
     
     

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    Re: Arrows 2017/05/22 03:03:15 (permalink)
    Really enjoyed this piece for sure....everything move really well and the mix is solid. Someone above said something about the panning being a bit too wide..I tend to a agree that the keys and synth seem to be a bit wide...I'd try to pull them in a bit.
     
    Very cool tune!!
     
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    Re: Arrows 2017/05/22 20:10:18 (permalink)
    You had me at "REAL GUITARS BEING PLAYED!".   
     
    Enjoyed hearing this one very very much!!!!  I would just add some treble and a little less bass on everything in all honesty.  But that's a personal preference I guess. Thanks for sharing, I enjoyed hearing this one very much!!!
     
     
     

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    Re: Arrows 2017/05/23 16:38:05 (permalink)
    @thepogue and Serious_Noize!, thank you both for taking the time to listen and comment.  You both pointed out the  panning of the synth, so I'll address that issue.  I'm still somewhat undecided on this point because I panned the rhythm guitar 75% Left and the synth 75% right for balance.  I don't consider that too wide, personally, but I know many do.  I want to avoid clutter in the  center like I hear so much, now days.  That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.  Does anyone agree with me, or should I pull these parts in?  I'm curious to know.

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    Re: Arrows 2017/05/23 17:12:37 (permalink)
    First of all fine job!
    Once you have solid performances, so much of production and mixing is "personal" taste.
    I think Dan was giving you good advise, vis-a-vis, double tracking the rhythm guitar.
    I would say certainly in the intro, and pan the synth to the center, maybe the synth gets a bit of verb
    to pull it back some, as the slide comes in.
    Once the verse starts, its really all about your gut instinct.
    The synth changes and then at the chorus the piano comes in; no need for the guitar to be spread then.
    On my phone I thought the slide on the "call and response" with the vocal was a little "hot".
    On my Bose cans I really didn't notice it, but the bass (on the Bose cans) seemed a bit too much.
    I thought it was masking the whole kit, not just the kick.
    Nicely done!
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    Re: Arrows 2017/05/24 22:20:07 (permalink)
    Tom, thanks for your comments and suggestions.  I appreciate you telling me what you listened on because people rarely do, and it makes a big difference in how you mix.  I had a question about the slide gtr level, too, so I will fix that in the next mix.  I'll take a look at the bass, as well.  As far as the panning goes, I'll play with it and see if it changes my paradigm.

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