SteveStrummerUK
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Arrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhh... Am I the only person who hates the Smart Tool?
I've tried to like it, but it just seems to slow me down so much. I don't find it 'smart' at all, it's totally unintuitive and clunky. And why doesn't it remember what it was set to in other views when you change between them. For example, I've just been in the PRV adding some notes to a drum track. Then I switched back to the Track View because I want to do some editing. I've split a track in a few places before suddenly realising that I'm not actually splitting at the 'whole measure' snap-to-grid value I have set. And all because the fecking ' unSmart' tool is still set to 'Draw' and therefore it doesn't follow the snap settings when I click in the Track Pane  Am I missing a way to set SONAR up so the Smart Tool reverts to however it was set in each view? As always with these type of things, I used to manage absolutely fine before we had a smart tool. I'm not one of these 'power' users who uses a lot of MIDI so I might be missing something.
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Re: Arrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhh... Am I the only person who hates the Smart Tool?
2014/07/23 18:23:43
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Maybe you need a dumb tool to use?  (Or, perhaps, you're actually using the "Smart Arse" tool by accident?) 
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Re: Arrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhh... Am I the only person who hates the Smart Tool?
2014/07/23 18:32:49
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Re: Arrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhh... Am I the only person who hates the Smart Tool?
2014/07/23 19:22:39
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How can the smart tool be "set" to something though? It's an all in one affair that changes according to where you're hovering the mouse, is it not? The problem you describe sounds more like an issue with global/PRV snap settings, which to be honest perplexes me sometimes.
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Re: Arrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhh... Am I the only person who hates the Smart Tool?
2014/07/23 20:28:38
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Re: Arrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhh... Am I the only person who hates the Smart Tool?
2014/07/23 20:31:16
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I too fail to understand the lack of smarts the smart tool is supposed to have.
Thank the powers that be (Microsoft) for inventing undo.
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Re: Arrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhh... Am I the only person who hates the Smart Tool?
2014/07/23 23:19:14
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You don't have to use it.
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Re: Arrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhh... Am I the only person who hates the Smart Tool?
2014/07/23 23:21:27
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If you're not "smart" enough...I guess not.
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Re: Arrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhh... Am I the only person who hates the Smart Tool?
2014/07/24 01:18:56
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bapu
I too fail to understand the lack of smarts the smart tool is supposed to have.
Thank the powers that be (Microsoft) for inventing undo.
Of all the things MS did wrong, there is but one undeniable thing they did right! "UNDO" (or to those too pious to know what a "mouse" is, "ctrl+z") is the smartest tool of all! I use it religiously. If only life came with one, then I could go back and do it all over ag....
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Re: Arrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhh... Am I the only person who hates the Smart Tool?
2014/07/24 08:10:19
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sharke
How can the smart tool be "set" to something though? It's an all in one affair that changes according to where you're hovering the mouse, is it not? The problem you describe sounds more like an issue with global/PRV snap settings, which to be honest perplexes me sometimes.
sharke - click on the middle mouse button and a menu pops up for your smart tool for you to change between functions. but, yes, it does adapt to where you're working and where you're holding the mouse within the parameters of the current function.
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Re: Arrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhh... Am I the only person who hates the Smart Tool?
2014/07/24 08:28:21
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I don't think Paul or Bill "invented" the undo command. In fact they never invented anything! You can thank Tim Paterson, the man they bought (stole) dos from. Just sayin... Actually it was the boys at Xerox PARC, you know the guys who actually invented the GUI and the mouse. T
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Re: Arrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhh... Am I the only person who hates the Smart Tool?
2014/07/24 08:58:20
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Re: Arrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhh... Am I the only person who hates the Smart Tool?
2014/07/24 17:22:42
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soens
Of all the things MS did wrong, there is but one undeniable thing they did right!
"UNDO" (or to those too pious to know what a "mouse" is, "ctrl+z") is the smartest tool of all!
And then X3 went and broke it.......... IMO the smart tool should be renamed the **%£ing annoying tool. I think that someone upstairs already has that name though........
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Re: Arrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhh... Am I the only person who hates the Smart Tool?
2014/07/25 00:37:03
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DeeringAmps
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Actually it was the boys at Xerox PARC, you know the guys who actually invented the GUI and the mouse.
T
Now they is some smart tools! (or are they?!) Of course, I never said MS " invented" it. They simply behaved like a (smart) tool and " included" it....
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Re: Arrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhh... Am I the only person who hates the Smart Tool?
2014/07/25 00:45:43
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Beagle
sharke
How can the smart tool be "set" to something though? It's an all in one affair that changes according to where you're hovering the mouse, is it not? The problem you describe sounds more like an issue with global/PRV snap settings, which to be honest perplexes me sometimes.
sharke - click on the middle mouse button and a menu pops up for your smart tool for you to change between functions.
but, yes, it does adapt to where you're working and where you're holding the mouse within the parameters of the current function.
Hold on - the HUD which appears when you press the middle mouse button allows you to switch between the smart tool (the star icon on the left) and the function-specific tools (the other 5 icons). Those other icons are not the smart tool. The only way you can change the functionality of the smart tool is by hovering it over different parts of the clip or MIDI note you're working on. You cannot change the function of the smart tool from a menu. That's the whole point of the smart tool - that you can switch functions without having to select them from a menu.
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Re: Arrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhh... Am I the only person who hates the Smart Tool?
2014/07/25 08:04:34
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sharke
Beagle
sharke
How can the smart tool be "set" to something though? It's an all in one affair that changes according to where you're hovering the mouse, is it not? The problem you describe sounds more like an issue with global/PRV snap settings, which to be honest perplexes me sometimes.
sharke - click on the middle mouse button and a menu pops up for your smart tool for you to change between functions.
but, yes, it does adapt to where you're working and where you're holding the mouse within the parameters of the current function.
Hold on - the HUD which appears when you press the middle mouse button allows you to switch between the smart tool (the star icon on the left) and the function-specific tools (the other 5 icons). Those other icons are not the smart tool. The only way you can change the functionality of the smart tool is by hovering it over different parts of the clip or MIDI note you're working on. You cannot change the function of the smart tool from a menu. That's the whole point of the smart tool - that you can switch functions without having to select them from a menu.
ok - my bad.
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SteveStrummerUK
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Re: Arrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhh... Am I the only person who hates the Smart Tool?
2014/07/25 08:45:09
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Yeah sorry guys - I didn't make it very clear did I  What I was trying to get at was that if you leave cursor set to the Smart Tool, it's a bit of a pain having to double-click every time you want to insert a note in the PRV (I forgot to mention this bit completely). Hence I change it to the 'Draw' Tool which only requires one click, and behaves much as it did in 8.5 and before. When I change back to the Track View, the Draw Tool is still active. What I was suggesting is that the cursor function for each View is remembered. So for example, if I set the Smart Tool in the TV and the Draw Tool in the PRV, SONAR would remember these assigned functions when I switch between the two. Or summat like that.
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Re: Arrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhh... Am I the only person who hates the Smart Tool?
2014/07/25 10:41:06
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SteveStrummerUK
Yeah sorry guys - I didn't make it very clear did I
What I was trying to get at was that if you leave cursor set to the Smart Tool, it's a bit of a pain having to double-click every time you want to insert a note in the PRV (I forgot to mention this bit completely).
Hence I change it to the 'Draw' Tool which only requires one click, and behaves much as it did in 8.5 and before.
When I change back to the Track View, the Draw Tool is still active. What I was suggesting is that the cursor function for each View is remembered.
So for example, if I set the Smart Tool in the TV and the Draw Tool in the PRV, SONAR would remember these assigned functions when I switch between the two.
Or summat like that.
You can also single click to draw notes with the smart tool if you hold down the ALT key.
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Re: Arrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhh... Am I the only person who hates the Smart Tool?
2014/07/25 11:12:14
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Thanks sharke. The trouble is, I use MIDI so infrequently I've never really bothered to get proficient using it. So all tips and advice are always gratefully received, and much easier (for me) than having to read the manual or watch the tutorials
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Re: Arrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhh... Am I the only person who hates the Smart Tool?
2014/07/25 11:24:20
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I think there are just too many smart tools in the FV (Forum View).  (Where "tools" = "arses" ya know? Ok, you know. Got it. )
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Re: Arrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhh... Am I the only person who hates the Smart Tool?
2014/07/26 03:37:37
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Hmmm, 19 posts and still no answer to the OP's original question. Let's take a vote. All in favor of SteveStrummerUK being the sole and only person who hates the SmArt ToOl, say "aye"! ... All in favor of SteveStrummerUK being NOT the only person who gets to hate the SmaRt tOol, say "nay"! ... The answer looks anonymous. Better ask Mr. Owl! ... Right after he's done here... 
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Re: Arrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhh... Am I the only person who hates the Smart Tool?
2014/07/26 05:22:09
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Re: Arrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhh... Am I the only person who hates the Smart Tool?
2014/07/26 05:32:05
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☄ Helpfulby craigb 2014/07/26 05:38:04
Mind you, the owls around here are a violent lot...
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Re: Arrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhh... Am I the only person who hates the Smart Tool?
2014/07/26 05:45:04
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Do you get wise-ass owls out your way Steve?
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Re: Arrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhh... Am I the only person who hates the Smart Tool?
2014/07/26 07:45:22
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Hmmm, 19 posts and still no answer to the OP's original question.
Let's take a vote.
All in favor of SteveStrummerUK being the sole and only person who hates the SmArt ToOl, say "aye"!
... <Ear>
All in favor of SteveStrummerUK being NOT the only person who gets to hate the SmaRt tOol, say "nay"!
... <Nose>
The answer looks anonymous. Better ask Mr. Owl!
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Right after he's done here...
As a Wookiee I did not think I should answer this. But this Wookiee does find the Smart tool to be frustrating in just how finicky it can be.
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Re: Arrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhh... Am I the only person who hates the Smart Tool?
2014/07/26 08:22:38
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SteveStrummerUK
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Re: Arrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhh... Am I the only person who hates the Smart Tool?
2014/07/26 13:56:37
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Einstein lives! ???!?
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Re: Arrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhh... Am I the only person who hates the Smart Tool?
2014/07/27 17:22:31
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I don't hate it but I switch to other tools if I'm doing specific tasks. With the ST there are too many hotspots and status changes that it does indeed turn into a weird arsed mess and makes things harder when doing repetitive stuff. For just cruising around poking at various things it's fine though... IMO anyway.
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Re: Arrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhh... Am I the only person who hates the Smart Tool?
2014/07/28 09:40:14
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I haven't quite gotten to the 'hate' point yet.
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