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Arturia KeyLab 88-Key Hammer Action MIDI Controller
Hello. Does anyone out there in Sonar land have any experience using the Arturia Keylab 88-Key with Sonar. Does it work well? Pros/cons? I'm currently using the un-weighted Roland A-800Pro, which has a 'controller/surface' profile set up in Sonar. I'm not sure the Arturia has this for Sonar...or vice-versa. Thanks in advance.
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Re: Arturia KeyLab 88-Key Hammer Action MIDI Controller
2015/02/21 03:26:06
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It probably doesn't have a "designer" ACT surface like the A-800 but the plain ACT surface works well with just about any controller.
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Re: Arturia KeyLab 88-Key Hammer Action MIDI Controller
2015/02/21 12:57:43
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Fabio Rubato I'm currently using the un-weighted Roland A-800Pro, which has a 'controller/surface' profile set up in Sonar. I'm not sure the Arturia has this for Sonar...or vice-versa.
Support for APro is not just a 'profile', it is a separate program (plug-in) written for that particular controller. Arturia has no such plug-in. Using "Generic" plug-ins (you will most probably need both, see chapter 40 in the SONAR reference guide) you can get it work more or less ok. But it will take some time to (understand how to and ) configure the board and plug-ins. The integration level still is not going to be on A-Pro level (ACT MIDI support 9 buttons, 8 sliders and 8 encoders, Generic Surface support 12 ACT parameters only and it does not work with buses, you can imagine that even combination is going to be full of compromises with 9 sliders / 10 encoders board). There is my alternative to that plug-ins. With some patience you can make a preset which will work with Arturia on the same (or better) integration level as APro. But so far, no one had that patience even with smaller boards
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Re: Arturia KeyLab 88-Key Hammer Action MIDI Controller
2015/02/21 20:35:44
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Thanks guys. Yes, azslow3 I've had a look at yours and it's a bit intimidating. I was hoping to get some feedback from Sonar users who actually using this midi-keyboard. Obviously from what you are saying re its integration with Sonar, it's not going to be straight forward. Perhaps the Roland A-88 Weighted 88-Key Midi Keyboard Controller will be a better option, but it appears to have limited sliders/dials for similar interaction like the the A-800Pro.
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Re: Arturia KeyLab 88-Key Hammer Action MIDI Controller
2015/02/22 00:29:53
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Why not use the A800 for its integration with Sonar and use an 88 note keyboard for actual play as a MIDI controller.
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Re: Arturia KeyLab 88-Key Hammer Action MIDI Controller
2015/02/22 01:04:39
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Yes, thanks Mike...good idea.
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Re: Arturia KeyLab 88-Key Hammer Action MIDI Controller
2015/02/22 02:57:16
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Happy to spend your money for you. Anytime.
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Re: Arturia KeyLab 88-Key Hammer Action MIDI Controller
2015/02/22 19:57:17
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Why? You getting kickbacks from Aturia? lol!
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Re: Arturia KeyLab 88-Key Hammer Action MIDI Controller
2015/02/22 21:13:27
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Hey, Alan... I would appreciate you reporting back on what you think of the KeyLab. My old MAudio Keystation Pro 88 has been very good to me over the years and the nektar lx61 has a good Sonar template but I'm looking for another weighted action 88er as an MAudio key has failed and the fix doesn't excite me...
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Re: Arturia KeyLab 88-Key Hammer Action MIDI Controller
2015/02/22 22:15:46
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No worries Dana...have to buy it first and I was hoping to get some feedback about it on the forum before shelling out $. Sorry to hear about the MAudio :(
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Re: Arturia KeyLab 88-Key Hammer Action MIDI Controller
2015/02/22 23:06:50
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everyone says the new Roland A-88 is suppose to be just amazing... The MAudio Pro was ancient but full of goodies and I was use to it. But may upgrade to the new impact lx88 which is cheap till I can recover from present circumstances at which point I'll give um both a try. I did hear mixed reviews roamin' round the web on the Arturia keyboard awhile ago... '
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Re: Arturia KeyLab 88-Key Hammer Action MIDI Controller
2015/02/23 04:25:31
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Yes, the Nekar looks good for the money...semi-weighted keys. Has Sonar compatibility. Not available in Australia yet:(
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Re: Arturia KeyLab 88-Key Hammer Action MIDI Controller
2015/02/23 10:08:28
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I also use the M-Audio Keystation 88 Pro! The only thing I don't like about it is the black keys are lower in height than the keys on a real piano. After you get used to it it's not so bad.
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Re: Arturia KeyLab 88-Key Hammer Action MIDI Controller
2015/02/24 19:05:42
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I had the Keylab61 not the 88 keys so take this with a grain of salt. You have to use act or generic surface to map sonar to the Arturia. The generic surface works better for me. All the knobs, faders, control work fine and very easy to map. I customized a bunch of VST plugs and sonar just remembers the settings when you make the plug active, very cool. The downside and the reason I returned the Arturia controller is it's very badly built. I have dead keys and broken mod wheels within the first week, and the pads are useless as they are very stiff. There is basically no support from the company either.
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Re: Arturia KeyLab 88-Key Hammer Action MIDI Controller
2015/02/25 00:53:39
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Not very encouraging news for the Arturia...must have been disappointing for you. Thanks, it's good to know especially about the company support, or lack thereof.
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Re: Arturia KeyLab 88-Key Hammer Action MIDI Controller
2015/09/07 10:06:29
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Hi, I have the Arturia Keylab 88 and im very happy with it. Dont compare this Keylab with the smaller Keylabs; they have a completely differnt keyboard. The 88 has fully weighted hammer action, the smaller ones dont Interaction with Sonar is fine only have some trouble sorting out the transport buttons, for wich ill make another thread. Peace F.
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Re: Arturia KeyLab 88-Key Hammer Action MIDI Controller
2015/09/07 19:28:07
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Hi. Thanks for letting me know. I ended up buying the 88 Nectar Impact LX88. I'm pretty happy with it although it doesn't have fully weighted keys, but it has good integration with Sonar with some initial issues I had to sort out. I ended up also buying the Roland 130R which does give me the weighted action on the keys, so I use this for piano and the Nectar for soft synth etc sounds. Good the Arturia is working out for you. :-)
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Re: Arturia KeyLab 88-Key Hammer Action MIDI Controller
2015/09/07 20:57:33
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Alan, how is the "key travel" and "bounce" on that Nektar? I am looking at one myself at the moment, as I am getting sore joints in my fingers now when I play for extended periods on the fully weighted keybeds. Dennis
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Re: Arturia KeyLab 88-Key Hammer Action MIDI Controller
2015/09/07 23:23:24
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Hi Dennis. It's pretty light with good resistance. Accurate though. You'll find it pretty easy to play I think. It feels less plastic than the smaller key versions and I was initially concerned that the 88 would be like this - as I played the smaller one in a shop but they didn't have the 88. But I was relieved when I received it that it felt quite nice and less plastic feeling...so as a midi-keyboard, I'm quite happy with it. A few black keys have a 'spring' sound' which is audible when playing it without sounds - testing eg. I've had some conversations with Nectar about this but doesn't really bother me normally, although I'll keep an 'ear' on it and see if it gets worse...but so far it's remained the same. Hope that helps.
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Re: Arturia KeyLab 88-Key Hammer Action MIDI Controller
2016/12/26 03:38:00
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The Arturia 88 is AMAZING!!! As a university student of music (classical piano major, music technology minor) I can say this is the best midi controller I have yet encountered. The keybed is incredibly realistic. I went to about 5 shops around Melbourne and tried all the digital and stage pianos as well as midi keyboard (priced $500 up to $8k) (including the roland A-88) and this has by far the most realistic piano feel!!! The A-88 was my second choice, but this was the best hands down. Chopin's Aeolian Harp sounded incredible on it! The keys are heavy, but no heavier that a heavy piano. The software (Pianoteq 5 and Arturias own synth plugin) it comes with is worth almost $500 in itself. The board is 12 kg, making it extremely portable. It comes with a detachable stand, and a detachable rubber extension of the board on which to sit your computer (a major help if you're planning on playing live sets from your DAW while playing piano.) Looks beautiful Buy it!
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Re: Arturia KeyLab 88-Key Hammer Action MIDI Controller
2016/12/26 05:32:50
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panor The keybed is incredibly realistic.
You forgot to mention the instrument compare to which it is "realistic". Since you are classical piano student, I guess you do not think that lightweight Fatar actions (modifications of which are used in almost all DPs from manufacturers without own keyboard technologies) is the best piano action in up to $8k range... Real piano action is based on gravity which in turn is bound to the mass. The second major problem is the geometry (key length). Both are very hard to trick. Most hammer action keys are no more then one half in length compare to real, they try to compensate with "virtual" pivot point. Lightweight actions (like in Arturia) also have unrealistic weight, they try to compensate with "light hammer". Till some degree there can be some success, but "realistic" actions have proper weight and length... this way they are no really just realistic, they are real
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