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2014/08/02 12:29:37 (permalink)

Arturia VST3 crash inside Sonar

I just picked up the Arturia V-Collection during their 15th anniversary sale. It installed with no problem, but the 3 VST3 synths (Analog Lab, Oberheim SEM, Wurlitzer) crash Sonar whenever I try to load them into Sonar. I've rescanned the plugins and it seems to not make a difference. The Arturia VST2 plugins work fine.
 
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CWBRN-27653
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Anyone else with the V-Collection having this problem? The plugins work fine standalone and I don't have another VST3 host that I can use to test.

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Re: Arturia VST3 crash inside Sonar 2014/08/02 12:32:57 (permalink)
Arturia was notified some time ago http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/2912558
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Re: Arturia VST3 crash inside Sonar 2014/08/02 12:47:07 (permalink)
oh sweet - thanks! I tried searching the forum but apparently didn't use the right terms.

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Re: Arturia VST3 crash inside Sonar 2014/08/02 12:52:34 (permalink)
I used Google searching for site:forum.cakewalk.com Arturia VST3
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Re: Arturia VST3 crash inside Sonar 2014/08/02 15:20:43 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jeebustrain 2014/08/04 15:16:27
Edited (- I incorrectly said the VST 3 versions worked, but meant the VST 2)
 
The VST 2  versions work great, so just for now get rid of the VST 3 ones, and you should be ROCKING.
 
Those synths are fabulous - I went through the same nightmare a couple of months ago.
 
If I recall correctly, they actually worked up until something like X3c or d.
 
Anyways, once the issue gets resolved by either Cakewalk or Arturia, or both, you can bring the VST 3 versions back.
 
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Re: Arturia VST3 crash inside Sonar 2014/08/02 15:27:02 (permalink)
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The VST 3 VST2 versions work great, so just for now get rid of the VST 3 ones, and you should be ROCKING.



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Re: Arturia VST3 crash inside Sonar 2014/08/02 22:19:51 (permalink)
Thanks scook - I went back and edited the error in my earlier post.  DOH!
 
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Re: Arturia VST3 crash inside Sonar 2014/08/04 15:30:08 (permalink)
yea -
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Edited (- I incorrectly said the VST 3 versions worked, but meant the VST 2)
 
The VST 2  versions work great, so just for now get rid of the VST 3 ones, and you should be ROCKING.
 
Those synths are fabulous - I went through the same nightmare a couple of months ago.
 
If I recall correctly, they actually worked up until something like X3c or d.
 
Anyways, once the issue gets resolved by either Cakewalk or Arturia, or both, you can bring the VST 3 versions back.
 
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Yea, I used some "extended demos" (if you get my drift) of the Moog Modular and the Arp 2600 many years ago in my younger days. I hadn't though and saw this sale as the perfect opportunity to get them again and be totally legit. I'm really disappointed that I can't use the SEM, mainly because it sounds so fabulous (and a dream to program, too). I do have the OP-X Pro II to hold me over, though. Sounds like I need to start bothering Arturia about it to see what they say.
 
Maybe if Reaper ends up adding VST3 support sooner, I can just rewire from there until this gets fixed.

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Re: Arturia VST3 crash inside Sonar 2014/08/04 17:17:39 (permalink)
Hang on - the VST 2 versions work just fine in X3e.  You just have to get rid of the VTS 3 versions - until the issues get fixed.
 
There is NO reason to drop the whole bunch of them, and VST 2 modules sound the same as their VST 3 versions, so you aren't losing a thing, other than whatever functions a VST 3 version brings to the table.
 
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Re: Arturia VST3 crash inside Sonar 2014/08/04 20:36:20 (permalink)
Yup the main benefit with VST3 as far as I'm aware is that when the plugin isn't being used CPU isn't being used up unlike VST2. It's more efficient.

Rewiring it to another DAW will just chew up plenty more resources.

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Re: Arturia VST3 crash inside Sonar 2014/08/04 23:31:59 (permalink)
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Hang on - the VST 2 versions work just fine in X3e.  You just have to get rid of the VTS 3 versions - until the issues get fixed.
 
There is NO reason to drop the whole bunch of them, and VST 2 modules sound the same as their VST 3 versions, so you aren't losing a thing, other than whatever functions a VST 3 version brings to the table.
 
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Exactly.  I do not think any of these plugins use "per note expression" or any of the extra features added in VST3. If I  understand it correctly the CPU savings are possible but do depend on the plugin being written to take advantage of that feature.
I found I had to completly uninstall and than reinstall to get rid of the the VST3 versions.
 

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Re: Arturia VST3 crash inside Sonar 2014/08/05 11:13:46 (permalink)
That is what I did too -
 
There might have been a more elegant way, but I am not an elegant guy.
 
Anyways, all the VST 2 versions work great.
 
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Re: Arturia VST3 crash inside Sonar 2014/08/05 16:36:44 (permalink)
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Hang on - the VST 2 versions work just fine in X3e.  You just have to get rid of the VTS 3 versions - until the issues get fixed.
 
There is NO reason to drop the whole bunch of them, and VST 2 modules sound the same as their VST 3 versions, so you aren't losing a thing, other than whatever functions a VST 3 version brings to the table.
 
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Oh - derr... thanks. I didn't realize that there were VST2 versions. I get what you mean now. Thanks for the clarification.

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Re: Arturia VST3 crash inside Sonar 2014/08/05 19:06:39 (permalink)
I did not mean to 'sound' like I was chastising you with my caps from the above post - those were only for emphasis.  :)
 
Glad you circled back and got what I had been trying to explain.
 
Please give that a shot and post back.
 
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Re: Arturia VST3 crash inside Sonar 2014/08/06 12:29:54 (permalink)
I just got the 15th Anniversary group as well, what a great deal!
 
Thanks for the info - I had just gotten through workarounds with the standalone versions of each vsynth, seems they didn't care for my ASIO so had to install ASIO4ALL. Hopefully not a problem to leave it installed - so far so good!
 
Once I got that sorted out I had the VST3 issue going with Sonar, found the temporary VST2 fix in this forum. I actually don't know what the differences are between VST2/3 yet, but it's one higher so it must be better!
 
 

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Re: Arturia VST3 crash inside Sonar 2014/08/06 12:57:28 (permalink)
If I could not get a synth standalone running. I would rather run the synths inside VSTHost or SAVIHost before installing ASIO4ALL.
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Re: Arturia VST3 crash inside Sonar 2014/08/06 14:05:21 (permalink)
Congrats on picking that up - I got the same collection for a sale back around Xmas-time and am also loving the sounds.
 
I am a bit confused as to what sort of ASIO issues you were having with the stand-alone versions of the plugins.  Can you please elaborate?  
 
By the way, those stand-alone versions appear to be 32-bit = don't think it is an issue, just odd, since they have both 32 and 64-bit dll's.
 
It just seems quite odd you would have ASIO problems, and then have those go away with ASIO4ALL.  (I don't think ASIO4ALL is generally a good choice when there is an actual audio interface present).
 
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Re: Arturia VST3 crash inside Sonar 2014/08/06 15:41:14 (permalink)
Yes, the standalone synth would load, but attempting to change from Windows Direct driver to ASIO the app would immediately crash. 
 
I found the ASIO4ALL workaround  at  but what's different for me is when I  remove ASIO4ALL the crashes resume. 
 
Maybe it is a 32bit app vs 64bit driver issue, thanks for the clue :) I'll look at that some more later today.
 
 

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Re: Arturia VST3 crash inside Sonar 2014/08/06 16:18:08 (permalink)
Some 32-bit plugins definitely do not play well in 64-bit Sonar.
 
But if those are the issue, then you should be able to open Sonar in a new project, or in no project, and change over to ASIO of your audio interface, and it should not then crash.  What happens when you do this?
 
It would really help me to help you if you posted more detail as to what is in place and what is loaded, and that sort of thing, because this does not seem to happen to lots of folks - meaning it is likely something unique to your system or your steps.  Thanks, 
 
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Re: Arturia VST3 crash inside Sonar 2014/08/06 16:20:55 (permalink)
For instance, I was having all sorts of horrific noises coming from my audio interface, for roughly the past 2 weeks, and I was going nuts trying to figure it out.
 
Turned out to be something goofy in the driver that just started acting up, and it happened that the vendor of my audio interface, Presonus, released a new driver version last Monday, and changing over to that completely fixed everything.
 
So, let's get a clear picture of your system, your settings, and the steps you are performing when these crashes occur - I think this is likely solvable.
 
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Re: Arturia VST3 crash inside Sonar 2014/08/30 14:08:37 (permalink)
Hey
 
Late reply to this thread, but also have lot of issues with SEM V, Wurlitzer V, Analog Lab in Windows 8.1 64 bit...
 
Some follow up questions:
- Do you just delete the VST 3 or skip them when installing? (Rather not re-install if I don't have too;)
- Why haven't there been an update for this problems yet? Arturia has released updates for their products, and Cakewalk and Arturia notised this in October 2013.... ???

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Re: Arturia VST3 crash inside Sonar 2014/08/30 14:33:19 (permalink)
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Yup the main benefit with VST3 as far as I'm aware is that when the plugin isn't being used CPU isn't being used up unlike VST2. It's more efficient.



True, but it has to be implemented in the plug-in, and the implementation has to be recognized by the host. Unfortunately this is by no means universal. Manufacturers can choose to implement a subset of the VST3 spec.

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Re: Arturia VST3 crash inside Sonar 2014/08/31 07:36:28 (permalink)
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Hey
 
Late reply to this thread, but also have lot of issues with SEM V, Wurlitzer V, Analog Lab in Windows 8.1 64 bit...
 
Some follow up questions:
- Do you just delete the VST 3 or skip them when installing? (Rather not re-install if I don't have too;)
- Why haven't there been an update for this problems yet? Arturia has released updates for their products, and Cakewalk and Arturia notised this in October 2013.... ???


I uninstalled and reinstalled, skipping the VST3 versions. It was pretty painless.

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