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Attention Newbies DTFT!
I've owned Sonar since 8.5, but, as this is strictly a hobby for me and available time for composing and recording has been too short, I have never mastered much of the program, preferring to just play my keyboards and throw down a few tracks, haphazardly at best. Recently I upgraded to X2 just to keep it current. Over the past few days I have had more time available and decided to devote some hours to actually getting to know the program. I carefully went through all of the getting started tutorials as well as a bunch of others that were linked inside the getting started pages. All I can say is "Time well spent!" The tutorials are simple, straight forward and they unveil a whole bunch of little things about how the interface works and how the logic of the program flows that will save me hours of frustration in the future (like Instrument tracks - I knew they were there but every time I tried to set them up I got an error about the audio track and midi needing to be assigned to the same instrument - even though I thought they were!- so I just stopped trying and instead set up a midi and audio track for every soft synth, often times getting the I/O assignments mixed up as the projects grew. Tedious! And totally unnecessary!) I know that many will read this and just say "Duh, you're an idiot!", but there are no doubt many newbies and not-so newbies like me that have never done the tutorials and are just jumping into this complex program and getting lost and frustrated. To them I say DTFT (kinda like RTFM, but a lot easier!) Brian
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daveny5
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Re:Attention Newbies DTFT!
2012/12/20 21:23:57
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Its actually nice to hear someone approach the new version with optimism instead of the usual cynicism. You're time spent learning the new version will pay off for you.
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Re:Attention Newbies DTFT!
2012/12/20 21:24:11
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You have begun to take Sonar seriously. Something I think is lacking in some. They often use this board to get them trough a problem that really isn't one and they would have known that if they had done what you did. Sonar is cursed by being a very easy program to get to work and do a few things in. What many don't know is that Sonar is a very powerful program with tremendous possibilities. Your advice is highly welcomed and I hope it gets the viewing it should. I use to wonder why no one seemed to sit back and read the manual. This wouldn't happen if it was a program that their livelihood relied on. Unfortunately it seems that it really doesn't matter what is the motivation;whether its a hobbyist or whether its used to make money too many people think its a simple program. CW has made it as simple as they can but in order to give it the enormous power it has simple can only go so far. Its up to the user to do their own homework and read and view the materials provided. This place will help but its really cool to work with a user that has some idea what things are called. Thanks for posting your experience for others to gain a little insight and good job.
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Marcus Curtis
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Re:Attention Newbies DTFT!
2012/12/20 21:29:19
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Now that you have gone through the tutorials maybe you should check out Sonar University. http://cakewalk.com/CakeTV/SONARU.aspx work your way up all the way through to the master classes, but be careful. This Sonar bug bites hard. Symptoms of addiction are 1. the laundry piles up 2. you run out of milk 3. the house gets very messy 4. You run out of food an order Pizza for weeks on end. 5. All you seem to be able to do is record music and play with Sonar. If you get any of the Sonar addiction symptoms just step away from your computer or join the rest of us on the forum.
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Re:Attention Newbies DTFT!
2012/12/20 22:00:13
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Marcus Curtis Now that you have gone through the tutorials maybe you should check out Sonar University. http://cakewalk.com/CakeTV/SONARU.aspx work your way up all the way through to the master classes, but be careful. This Sonar bug bites hard. Symptoms of addiction are 1. the laundry piles up 2. you run out of milk 3. the house gets very messy 4. You run out of food an order Pizza for weeks on end. 5. All you seem to be able to do is record music and play with Sonar. If you get any of the Sonar addiction symptoms just step away from your computer or join the rest of us on the forum.  WELL SAID!!!
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Paul P
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Re:Attention Newbies DTFT!
2012/12/26 13:42:31
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John writes : "I use to wonder why no one seemed to sit back and read the manual. This wouldn't happen if it was a program that their livelihood relied on. Unfortunately it seems that it really doesn't matter what is the motivation;whether its a hobbyist or whether its used to make money too many people think its a simple program." I'm new to Sonar and an avid manual reader. I love reading manuals. But X2's manual is not really all that accessible. First off, there's no paper version that I'm aware of. I'd gladly pay 100$ for a paper version (having a single copy printed would be what, 200$ or so ?). Second, the manual is a single 2000 page pdf file. The file is so big that the slightest movement of the scroll bar in Reader moves you back and forth by several pages, very frustrating. I've taken to copying out pages I'm interested in, pasting them in Word and printing them from there. I'll end up printing a large part of the manual, but at great cost. Paper manuals can be read on the couch, lying in bed, waiting in a car, and other unmentionable places. Books like Scott's are great introductions, but they leave out all the fine print. When I bought X1 and the salesman in the store handed me this tiny little box it was a let down. I was looking forward to reading the manual.
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scook
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Re:Attention Newbies DTFT!
2012/12/26 13:53:46
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If you can hold out until February Scott Garrigus' "SONAR X2 Power!" will be out. It is being presold now. The Power series has been a great addition to the CW manuals.
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sharke
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Re:Attention Newbies DTFT!
2012/12/26 14:13:42
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Why use the scroll bar when reading a pdf? Just use the page up/down buttons, or the forward and backward buttons on your mouse.
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Paul P
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Re:Attention Newbies DTFT!
2012/12/26 15:26:47
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scook If you can hold out until February Scott Garrigus' "SONAR X2 Power!" will be out. It is being presold now. The Power series has been a great addition to the CW manuals. I've been reading Scott's X1 book daily for the last two months. It's a great intro for someone like me who has never used Sonar before but it leaves out a lot of detail (it is 1400 pages shorter than the manual). If I had a tablet pc, I'd probably be happy.
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garrigus
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Re:Attention Newbies DTFT!
2012/12/26 15:46:44
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Thanks, Scook and Paul! Glad to hear you're enjoying the books. And thanks for the mention here. The SONAR Power! books are designed to be used along with the manual. They're not meant to take the place of it entirely. The books are written to be read like books - from cover to cover - and then later to be used as a reference in conjunction with the manual or SONAR help. There are plenty of tips in the books not found in the manual and the books provide all the detail and info you need to use SONAR. The manual has extra sections on hardware and system setup, installation, etc. But that type of info isn't needed in the books... http://www.garrigus.com/powerbooks.asp SONAR X2 Power! will be here soon. Thanks! Scott -- Scott R. Garrigus - http://garrigus.com * Author of the Cakewalk Sonar and Sony Sound Forge Power book series: http://garrigus.com/?PowerBooks * Author of the Cakewalk Sonar ProAudioTutor video tutorial series: http://garrigus.com/?ProAudioTutor * Publisher of the DigiFreq free music technology newsletter: http://digifreq.com/?DigiFreq * Publisher of the NewTechReview free consumer technology newsletter: http://newtechreview.com/?NewTechReview
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Re:Attention Newbies DTFT!
2012/12/26 16:44:35
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Paul P scook If you can hold out until February Scott Garrigus' "SONAR X2 Power!" will be out. It is being presold now. The Power series has been a great addition to the CW manuals. I've been reading Scott's X1 book daily for the last two months. It's a great intro for someone like me who has never used Sonar before but it leaves out a lot of detail (it is 1400 pages shorter than the manual). If I had a tablet pc, I'd probably be happy. The difference is that unlike that Manual, which is totally sterile & repetitive, Scott's books home in on the real application of the vast majority of the functions & processes inside Sonar. I don't think he misses much out
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Re:Attention Newbies DTFT!
2012/12/26 18:44:56
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AND, I took advantage of being able to circle things in the book, and wrote copious notes in the margins, for the naughty bits (tweaks and such). I do use the offline documentation more frequently than the online - easier for me to find things. Anyways, that someone actually went through the tutorials AND is interested in READING, left me teared up and speechless. You will learn SOOOO much in the process of doing what you are doing. WELL worth the time. Bob Bone
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jtwinpcola
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Re:Attention Newbies DTFT!
2012/12/26 18:54:58
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Remember the days when we used to get the boxed upgrade version along with a full printed user guide. I used leave the manual down on the floor beside the commode. You'd be amazed how much you can learn over a couple of months during your private time on the throne! I've tried taking my laptop in there but I find it to be quite awkward... JTW
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Re:Attention Newbies DTFT!
2012/12/26 19:03:00
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>>I know that many will read this and just say "Duh, you're an idiot<< Well done mate, stick with it and it will reap rewards. Merry Christmas etc. C
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Re:Attention Newbies DTFT!
2012/12/26 19:19:45
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Although I actually did the tuts (mostly) when I first bought X1 and have managed to complete a few projects I am about to go through them again in my new space. In fact I'm going to go through everything in the manual methodically if I can keep focused on it. Taking notes the whole way too. Currently only at page 82 or something. Only a thousand or so more pages to go. lol I also worked my way through a good chunk of X1 Power already but I want to be able to pull obscure info out of my bum when need be.
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Re:Attention Newbies DTFT!
2012/12/26 19:40:57
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Paul P John writes : "I use to wonder why no one seemed to sit back and read the manual. This wouldn't happen if it was a program that their livelihood relied on. Unfortunately it seems that it really doesn't matter what is the motivation;whether its a hobbyist or whether its used to make money too many people think its a simple program." I'm new to Sonar and an avid manual reader. I love reading manuals. But X2's manual is not really all that accessible. First off, there's no paper version that I'm aware of. I'd gladly pay 100$ for a paper version (having a single copy printed would be what, 200$ or so ?). Second, the manual is a single 2000 page pdf file. The file is so big that the slightest movement of the scroll bar in Reader moves you back and forth by several pages, very frustrating. I've taken to copying out pages I'm interested in, pasting them in Word and printing them from there. I'll end up printing a large part of the manual, but at great cost. Paper manuals can be read on the couch, lying in bed, waiting in a car, and other unmentionable places. Books like Scott's are great introductions, but they leave out all the fine print. When I bought X1 and the salesman in the store handed me this tiny little box it was a let down. I was looking forward to reading the manual. I can't disagree with you about real paper manuals. I do however think Scott's book when it comes out will prove very useful. I agree with Bristol's assessment of it as well. I also use an Andriod tablet with Kindle and the PDF reader on it to read books and manuals. I think the point is to read and understand X2 using whatever tools one can. The manual is the starting point. Fortunately as far as manuals go the CW X2 manual is a well written one. This is not often the case with many others. The point I was trying to make is that Sonar is a very deep and powerful program with many hidden abilities. They are hidden to those that have never looked inside the manual. A lot of the postings on this forum are due to the poster not doing their homework. When a poster has read the manual they may still get stuck but at least they will know the right terms to use in describing the problem. Because Sonar has gotten so complex I don't think any one of us knows it fully, yet because most of the long time posters do know where to look to find the answers we are able to assist those that have not even bothered to read even the readme file that comes will every new and patched version. I will say this I do commend those that do the right thing and put in the time to learn a very powerful program.
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Jeff M.
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Re:Attention Newbies DTFT!
2012/12/26 19:43:56
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jtwinpcola I used leave the manual down on the floor beside the commode. You'd be amazed how much you can learn over a couple of months during your private time on the throne! Beepster I also worked my way through a good chunk of X1 Power already but I want to be able to pull obscure info out of my bum when need be.
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Paul P
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Re:Attention Newbies DTFT!
2012/12/26 22:15:40
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Speaking of tutorials... I just took advantage of the 20$ coupon Christmas present we just got from Cakewalk and bought : SWA Complete SONAR X2 Video (Download). Since it was 19.95 I got it for free ! 9 hours of tutorials, am I happy or what. My hat is off to Cakewalk. I'm very new to the community and I keep being impressed by their presence and interest. I had a problem for which I contacted them a couple of days ago and they solved my problem today. I wasn't even expecting contact during the holiday period. Come on guys, take a couple of days off, you've earned them !
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Re:Attention Newbies DTFT!
2012/12/27 07:23:31
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Paul P I'm new to Sonar and an avid manual reader. I love reading manuals. But X2's manual is not really all that accessible. First off, there's no paper version that I'm aware of. I'd gladly pay 100$ for a paper version (having a single copy printed would be what, 200$ or so ?). You could buy a basic Kindle ($89) or Nook ($79) that will work with the PDF file. Even dedicate it just for the Sonar manual if you like although with bookmarks there is no reason to.
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Re:Attention Newbies DTFT!
2012/12/27 07:27:13
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