Audigy 2 ZS 24/96 ASIO Recording in SONAR PE.

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Audigy 2 ZS 24/96 ASIO Recording in SONAR PE.

Hallo,

I have a Creative SoundBlaster Audigy 2 ZS soundcard and SONAR 6.21 PE.

My question is: Is it posible to record with the Audigy 2 ZS ASIO at 24bit and 96kHz in SONAR 6.21 PE?
In options//audio//Advanced I am only abiable to select the "ASIO SB Audigy 2 ZS (A000)" but I can not change it to 24 bit/96kHz.
In other DAW's, I can see the "Audigy 2 ZS ASIO 24/96" or the "PODxt ASIO" as well.

Any one with a Audigy 2 ZS can help me? Or anyone knows how to fix it ?

Thank you very much in advance.
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    daveny5
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    RE: Audigy 2 ZS 24/96 ASIO Recording in SONAR PE. 2007/08/07 12:08:50 (permalink)
    I believe the Audigy allows 24bit playback, but only records at 16bit. Read the fine print in the SoundBlaster documentation.

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    RE: Audigy 2 ZS 24/96 ASIO Recording in SONAR PE. 2007/08/07 14:55:34 (permalink)
    no, The Audigy soundcard is able to record at 24.
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    RE: Audigy 2 ZS 24/96 ASIO Recording in SONAR PE. 2007/08/07 15:22:46 (permalink)
    To find out, you need to read the soundcards documentation. sonar has no control over what you can record at. Its up to that SB card you have ( i would get an audio sound card IMOP)
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    RE: Audigy 2 ZS 24/96 ASIO Recording in SONAR PE. 2007/08/07 16:00:35 (permalink)
    You can only record 24/96 with the Creative WDM driver. The highest possible bit depth and sample rate recording using the Creative Audigy 2 ZS ASIO driver is 16/48.

    What you can do is install the ASIO4All driver, so you can record 24/96 in ASIO mode.

    I hope this info helps.
    post edited by thomasabarnes - 2007/08/07 16:16:44


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    RE: Audigy 2 ZS 24/96 ASIO Recording in SONAR PE. 2007/08/07 17:27:14 (permalink)
    the other question is why would you want to record at 24/96? it'll kill ur cpu at anything like playable latency with a few soft synths loaded...24/48 is plenty enough.
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    RE: Audigy 2 ZS 24/96 ASIO Recording in SONAR PE. 2007/08/08 06:29:47 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: thomasabarnes

    You can only record 24/96 with the Creative WDM driver. The highest possible bit depth and sample rate recording using the Creative Audigy 2 ZS ASIO driver is 16/48.

    What you can do is install the ASIO4All driver, so you can record 24/96 in ASIO mode.

    I hope this info helps.


    thanks, but im 100% sure theres the 24/96 ASIO.

    why in Cubase I could select "Audigy 2 ZS ASIO 24/96" from the ASIO list? :(

    Thanks anyway all!
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    RE: Audigy 2 ZS 24/96 ASIO Recording in SONAR PE. 2007/08/08 07:38:48 (permalink)
    This is from the Creative site

    "The THX® certified Sound Blaster® Audigy™ 2 ZS delivers 24-bit ADVANCED HD™ audio, 108dB SNR clarity across 8 channels, and is the only available PC platform to deliver Advanced Resolution™ 24-bit DVD-Audio playback in 24-bit/192kHz stereo and 24-bit/96Khz 5.1 surround. With EAX® 4.0 ADVANCED HD™ effects, Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS produces clear, ultra-realistic sound in supported games and multi-channel playback in 5.1, 6.1 and 7.1 with over 400 existing DirectSound 3D® games."

    Notice it talks about "Playback" not record then further along it says the following:

    "High Definition Audio Quality for Playback and Recording

    24-bit Digital-to-Analog conversion during playback with sampling rates of 8, 11.025, 16, 22.05, 24, 32, 44.1, 48 and 96kHz in 7.1 mode and up to 192kHz in stereo mode
    24-bit Analog-to-Digital conversion during recording in 8, 16 or 24-bit at sampling rates of 8, 11.025, 16, 22.05, 24, 32, 44.1, 48 and 96kHz
    SPDIF (Sony/Philips Digital Interface) input at up to 24-bit/96kHz quality
    SPDIF output up to 24-bit at 48 or 96kHz
    ASIO drivers for low latency(≤2ms) multi-track playback and recording at 16-bit/48kHz"


    Notice the lines in bold type.


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    RE: Audigy 2 ZS 24/96 ASIO Recording in SONAR PE. 2007/08/08 09:17:52 (permalink)
    "Audigy 2 ZS Platinum Pro supports simultaneous recording of six channels of 24-bit/96kHz audio with low latency ASIO 2.0 support."

    from: http://us.creative.com/products/product.asp?product=4925

    Yep I have the Platinum Pro edition ( I didn't specify that, sorry! ).
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    RE: Audigy 2 ZS 24/96 ASIO Recording in SONAR PE. 2007/08/08 09:22:37 (permalink)
    by the way I have "share drivers with other programs" and "allways open all drivers", on.
    And there's still the same ASIO's, but there's not the 24/96 ASIO otherwise than in Cubase :(.
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    RE: Audigy 2 ZS 24/96 ASIO Recording in SONAR PE. 2007/08/08 13:29:54 (permalink)
    Believe it or not. I'm telling you with the Creative ASIO driver, the highest recording is 16/48.

    If you don't believe me, just go to the Creative Labs forum and ask a Creative representative.

    Although you say you see a 24/96 driver selection in Cubase, you really only get 16/48 if you are using the Creative ASIO driver.

    But, I told you how to get 24/96 recording using the ASIO4All driver.

    Also I have the Audigy 2 ZS Platinum Pro, and the last Bold type that mudgel posted is partially true (ASIO drivers for low latency(≤2ms) multi-track playback and recording at 16-bit/48kHz). Although, playback at different speaker configurations can be higher, and I never experienced the 2ms recording latency, they claim.

    The wording that Creative uses for promotion of the Audigy 2 ZS is confusing/misleading, which wording you are confusing to be ASIO recording at 24/96. But the clear description of the Creative ASIO bit depth and sample rate recording capability is noted in the last bold face type of mudgel's above post.

    Take it or leave it.
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    RE: Audigy 2 ZS 24/96 ASIO Recording in SONAR PE. 2007/08/09 07:35:04 (permalink)
    I can assure you that I use an Audigy 2ZS in ASIO mode, and record exclusively 24bit/48kHz. The restriction of 16bits in ASIO mode refers only to availability of the DSP effects processors, which are bypassed in anything above 16bit/48kHz. THis article from SOS should help dispel some of the myths surrounding this card:

    http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/oct03/articles/audigy.htm

    It also states that 24bit/96kHz recording is available in ASIO mode, but I haven't tried it personally.

    Cheers,
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    RE: Audigy 2 ZS 24/96 ASIO Recording in SONAR PE. 2007/08/09 08:20:47 (permalink)
    I have never been able to record higher than 16/48 in ASIO mode with the Creative driver.

    What driver version are you using?

    What you are saying is shocking info! It makes me wonder if some of you really know what ASIO is, and if you're actually using the WDM driver but think it's the ASIO driver.

    Shocking info I'm hearing here.

    Please, tell me what driver version you are using? Is it a downloaded driver or one from the CD?


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    RE: Audigy 2 ZS 24/96 ASIO Recording in SONAR PE. 2007/08/09 08:30:10 (permalink)
    In options//audio//Advanced I am only abiable to select the "ASIO SB Audigy 2 ZS (A000)" but I can not change it to 24 bit/96kHz.


    Go to "Options//Global/Audio Data " and set "Record Bit Depth" to 24.

    Should fix your problem.

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    RE: Audigy 2 ZS 24/96 ASIO Recording in SONAR PE. 2007/08/09 09:10:30 (permalink)
    I'm using the latest drivers downloaded from the Creative site - Oct. 2006 if I remember well (not currently at my DAW to verify) and I'm definitately using ASIO mode.
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    RE: Audigy 2 ZS 24/96 ASIO Recording in SONAR PE. 2007/08/09 09:22:48 (permalink)
    Well blow me down!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Thanks to Jimack, I stand corrected!!!!

    24/48 recording is possible if one uses "Options//Global/Audio Data " and set "Record Bit Depth" to 24.

    I always used Options/Audio General tab to set project sample rate and bit depth, and SONAR would always set the sample rate and bit depth back to 16/48 if I tried to set it higher using the Creative ASIO driver.

    I guess I still have a lot to learn about SONAR!

    I stand corrected 24/48 recording is possible in ASIO mode with just the Creative ASIO driver, and no need for ASIO4All.


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    RE: Audigy 2 ZS 24/96 ASIO Recording in SONAR PE. 2007/08/09 09:27:19 (permalink)
    Roger glynbo!

    I stand corrected!! I have verified what you say.

    After all, I was the one confused!! Shame on me.


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    RE: Audigy 2 ZS 24/96 ASIO Recording in SONAR PE. 2007/08/09 10:14:19 (permalink)
    Glad ya got it Thomas.

    I've always considered that setting one of SONAR's little "GOTCHA'S".

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    RE: Audigy 2 ZS 24/96 ASIO Recording in SONAR PE. 2007/08/09 12:35:31 (permalink)
    Yeah it got me!! I never knew about that setting!

    Now, the question is: how do we get the sample rate to be set at 96 kHz. Everytime I try to change it via Options/Audio General tab, SONAR sets it back to 48 kHz.

    24/48 is good, though.


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    RE: Audigy 2 ZS 24/96 ASIO Recording in SONAR PE. 2007/08/10 07:21:06 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: thomasabarnes

    Yeah it got me!! I never knew about that setting!

    Now, the question is: how do we get the sample rate to be set at 96 kHz. Everytime I try to change it via Options/Audio General tab, SONAR sets it back to 48 kHz.

    24/48 is good, though.


    Same question..

    And see? Im saying again that in cubase I was able to record with "Audigy 2 ZS 24/96 ASIO" at 24 bit and 96kHz.
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    RE: Audigy 2 ZS 24/96 ASIO Recording in SONAR PE. 2007/08/10 07:23:02 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: glynbo

    I'm using the latest drivers downloaded from the Creative site - Oct. 2006 if I remember well (not currently at my DAW to verify) and I'm definitately using ASIO mode.


    Whats the name of the ASIO device you're using in Options//Audio//Advanced
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    RE: Audigy 2 ZS 24/96 ASIO Recording in SONAR PE. 2007/08/10 09:24:48 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: nilmb

    Same question..

    And see? Im saying again that in cubase I was able to record with "Audigy 2 ZS 24/96 ASIO" at 24 bit and 96kHz.


    yes, I believe you, now.

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    RE: Audigy 2 ZS 24/96 ASIO Recording in SONAR PE. 2007/08/21 06:47:21 (permalink)
    Whats the name of the ASIO device you're using in Options//Audio//Advanced


    In Options/Audio/Advanced the setting is ASIO

    In Options/Audio/Drivers:

    Input Drivers
    1. ASIO SB Audigy 2ZS [A000] Analog Mix
    2. ASIO SB Audigy 2ZS [A000] Mix

    Output Drivers
    ASIO SB Audigy 2ZS [A000] Front L/R

    For the input drivers, one allows recording from the line input, the other for recording the soundfont synth. BTW both 96 kHz and 192 kHz are available and seem to work.

    Cheers,
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    RE: Audigy 2 ZS 24/96 ASIO Recording in SONAR PE. 2007/08/21 15:05:32 (permalink)
    In Options/Audio/Advanced I have ASIO selected as driver mode.

    In Options/Audio/Drivers I have no driver with the name Analog in it, and all the driver names with (AC00) in it are greyed out, so that they can't be selected.

    In Option/Audio General tab, when I have the ASIO driver mode selected, bit depth is greyed out and locked at 16 bit. The only way I can change the bit depth is to do it via Options/Global/Audio Data tab and set Record bt depth to 24. After that, when I go to Options/Audio General tab, the Audio Driver Bit depth is still locked at 16 bit, but at the bottom of SONAR, it shows that the Project Sample rate and bit depth is 48kHz-24-bit. Because of that depicted sample rate and bit depth, I'm reckoning that when I record, it's in 48/24.

    Moreover, when I go to Options/Audio General tab to change the sample rate, I have 96000, 192000, as well as other sample rates available in the sample rate drop down menu, but if I select 96000, or 192000, SONAR gives me a warning pop up that "The default audio format is not compatible with one or more soundcards. It has been reset to 48000 Hz (16 bit), as suggested by the driver."

    Still, at the bottom of SONAR, it's depicted that the project record sample rate and bit depth is 48kHz-16-bit. So, as I said, I'm reckoning that I'm recording at 48/24.

    That's my experience and what I see.


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    RE: Audigy 2 ZS 24/96 ASIO Recording in SONAR PE. 2007/08/22 05:17:12 (permalink)
    glynbo:
    Thanks very much.

    thomasabarnes:
    Yes, it happens exactly the same in my SONAR.
    post edited by nilmb - 2007/08/22 05:27:32
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