HDemchick
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Audio Export Problem
I've just started using Music Creator 5, and I'm trying to export a MIDI with an audio/vocal track as a wav. I can get the export to work, but when I open the wav file, all I hear is the vocal track--none of the MIDI. This happens no matter what track is selected when I go to export audio, and also happens when every track is selected. What should I do?
-Harrison
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Re:Audio Export Problem
2011/04/17 21:24:54
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what do you have your MIDI track's output set to? are you using a softstynth like TTS-1 or are you using the MS GS wavetable or a soundblaster for outpput?
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HDemchick
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Re:Audio Export Problem
2011/04/17 21:28:21
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MS GS Wavetable.
-Harrison
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Re:Audio Export Problem
2011/04/17 22:45:24
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I would suggest that you insert a softsynth instead. the MS GS Wavetable can be tricky to get to work correctly for export as you have seen. also, TTS-1 has much better sounds than MS GS Wavetable anyway and they're still GM mapped, so you don't have to change much to get it to work.
in MC5, go to INSERT>SOFTSYNTH>TTS-1
then go to each of your MIDI tracks and change the output from MS GS Wavetable to TTS-1, then just verify that each of the tracks have different CHANNELS for output and that the BANK and PATCH are set correctly for each instrument.
then the export should work much easier.
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Re:Audio Export Problem
2011/04/18 08:09:30
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If it doesn't... come back and let us know.
My website & music: www.herbhartley.com MC4/5/6/X1e.c, on a Custom DAW Focusrite Firewire Saffire Interface BMI/NSAI "Just as the blade chooses the warrior, so too, the song chooses the writer "
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HDemchick
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Re:Audio Export Problem
2011/04/18 17:45:15
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Thanks! That did it. It had the unwanted side effect of starting the MIDI a tad early, knocking it all out of sync with my vocal, but I solved that by slightly adjusting the vocal track. Next time I'll adjust the instruments to softsynth before recording a vocal.
-Harrison
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HDemchick
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Re:Audio Export Problem
2011/04/18 17:50:25
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It all sounds pretty good now, although the softsynth drums are a bit, well, synthier than I like. Is there a way to give it the more natural sound of the general MIDI set? Or a series of different sounds for that matter. The MIDI program I've been using for the past decade gave me a bunch of different drum sounds.
-Harrison
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Re:Audio Export Problem
2011/04/18 18:29:36
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You're using the TTS-1 drums? Doesn't MC 5 come with Studio Instrument Drums (another soft synth)? And Drop Zone, a sampler/sample player that has some drum kits? What's your operating system? If XP, see if www.creative.com still has the Proteus VX soft synth available for free. Over 1,200 patches including lots of drums.
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HDemchick
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Re:Audio Export Problem
2011/04/18 18:49:21
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If any of these things are there, I don't know how to access them, nor how to use any patch I might download--though all I really want is the MIDI sound I started with. I have Windows 7.
-Harrison
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Re:Audio Export Problem
2011/04/18 19:34:32
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yes, MC5 comes with Studio Instruments Drums and they will sound a LOT better than TTS-1.
Harrison - your last post sounds like you're not interested in improving the sounds, if so that's fine, but if you want to improve, you have much better drum sounds at your disposal in Studio Instruments Drums. if you don't see them listed in your INSERT>SOFTSYNTH menu list then we might have to try to figure out what has happened to them and why they're not showing up, but that's up to you. we're willing to help you figure it out if you're willing to do it.
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Re:Audio Export Problem
2011/04/18 20:30:13
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Yeah the SI Drums should be in the soft synth list, and they are sampled drums which will sound much better than GM in TTS
My website & music: www.herbhartley.com MC4/5/6/X1e.c, on a Custom DAW Focusrite Firewire Saffire Interface BMI/NSAI "Just as the blade chooses the warrior, so too, the song chooses the writer "
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Re:Audio Export Problem
2011/04/18 21:04:34
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Of course, no one here can tell you what sounds better to you. We all abandoned the MS GS Wavetable synth at the earliest opportunity because it sounds so artificial to us. But if you really want to use those drums sounds, that's your decision and here is a page from Cakewalk on how to do that: http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/kb/reader.aspx/2007013079 Good luck!
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Re:Audio Export Problem
2011/04/19 12:29:10
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HDemchick
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Re:Audio Export Problem
2011/04/19 18:04:40
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I think I judged the softsynths too soon. I'm listening to one of my MIDIs with the softsynth drums, and it really sounds terrific. It's just a few of the particular sounds at particular times that don't work as well.
But in any case--sure, I'd like to know how to use those other drums sounds. When I go to the softsynths menu, I see Cakewalk TTS-1 and Square 1. Those are the only two.
-Harrison
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Re:Audio Export Problem
2011/04/19 18:20:33
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ok. you might need to show MC where to find SI Drums.
first, use windows explorer to find out if this is where cakewalk installed your SI Drums or not:
C:\Program Files (x86)\Cakewalk\Studio Instruments
if it is, then go to OPTIONS>GLOBAL in MC and click on the VST SETTINGS tab and add that path to the scan list by clicking on the ADD button. then click on the SCAN VST FOLDERS button and let it scan. then it should show up in your menu.
if it's not in the C:\Program Files (x86)\Cakewalk\Studio Instruments folder, then you'll need to search for it, come back and let us know and we'll help some more.
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Re:Audio Export Problem
2011/04/19 19:27:51
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Robomusic
Demo this puppy and ye shall be one with the drum! http://rayzoon.com/
 Ah..... yes..... I remember the heady feeling when I first ran that demo..... it changed my musical experience forever. In a good way.
My website & music: www.herbhartley.com MC4/5/6/X1e.c, on a Custom DAW Focusrite Firewire Saffire Interface BMI/NSAI "Just as the blade chooses the warrior, so too, the song chooses the writer "
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Re:Audio Export Problem
2011/04/19 19:29:58
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Wait until you find and run the Cakewalk Sound center...... heavenly bliss will descend from the mountains like the dew of the gods. ok that was a bit strange......
My website & music: www.herbhartley.com MC4/5/6/X1e.c, on a Custom DAW Focusrite Firewire Saffire Interface BMI/NSAI "Just as the blade chooses the warrior, so too, the song chooses the writer "
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HDemchick
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Re:Audio Export Problem
2011/04/19 20:01:06
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I'll get on that soon, but first, I've run into a stranger problem.
So I set my instruments to softsynth before recording my vocal this time, to try to eliminate the sync problem, but it actually ended up worse. Despite recording the vocals, obviously, in time with my MIDI, when I play it back, the vocals are at a faster tempo and quickly fall out of sync. I experienced the problem previously with another program on an older computer, so odds are I'm not the only one who's experienced this, but I'm not sure why it happens or how to fix it.
-Harrison
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Re:Audio Export Problem
2011/04/19 20:12:03
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What is your audio sampling rate set to?
44100 is standard but that also depends on the sound card since some have higher sample rates required.
What sound card are you using and what drivers are you running with it?
My website & music: www.herbhartley.com MC4/5/6/X1e.c, on a Custom DAW Focusrite Firewire Saffire Interface BMI/NSAI "Just as the blade chooses the warrior, so too, the song chooses the writer "
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Re:Audio Export Problem
2011/04/19 20:15:05
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This is where we need details about your system and hardware. We'll need OS, sound card, CPU, RAM, any hardware devices. Are you using a USB mic? These tend to be problematic.
post edited by RobertB - 2011/04/19 20:16:10
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Re:Audio Export Problem
2011/04/19 20:38:30
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Yeah... good point Robert... that is a classic symptom from a USB mic not syncing with the internal soundcard....
My website & music: www.herbhartley.com MC4/5/6/X1e.c, on a Custom DAW Focusrite Firewire Saffire Interface BMI/NSAI "Just as the blade chooses the warrior, so too, the song chooses the writer "
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HDemchick
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Re:Audio Export Problem
2011/04/19 21:52:26
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I don't have a mic at all--just the one built into my computer. Sound card information, I don't know how to attain. I can say this computer is less than a year old, but I doubt that helps.
-Harrison
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Re:Audio Export Problem
2011/04/19 22:24:39
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Double-click the speaker icon in the system tray. This should open the Windows mixer and you should be able to discern what the name of the sound card is. Clicking the Properties button should bring up options for changing the sampling rate and bit depth. Both the sound card's settings and MC's settings have to be the same.
MC defaults to 41,100 @ 16-bits. Many sound cards are 48,000 @ 16- or 24-bits. Change either one to match the other.
Twenty-four bits is generally considered 'better'.
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Re:Audio Export Problem
2011/04/20 09:41:02
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Harrison - your problem is likely due to high latency. the best way to deal with high latency is to buy a recording soundcard with low latency drivers.
the 2nd best option is to download and install ASIO4ALL (google it) and then change your driver mode to ASIO in MC. after installing ASIO4ALL, in MC go to OPTIONS>AUDIO and change the driver mode to ASIO and click APPLY.
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Re:Audio Export Problem
2011/04/28 00:48:56
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I recently added Proteus VX , but can't seem to get load or sound off. HELP. 57Gregy
You're using the TTS-1 drums? Doesn't MC 5 come with Studio Instrument Drums (another soft synth)?
And Drop Zone, a sampler/sample player that has some drum kits?
What's your operating system?
If XP, see if www.creative.com still has the Proteus VX soft synth available for free. Over 1,200 patches including lots of drums.
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57Gregy
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Re:Audio Export Problem
2011/04/28 01:29:11
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You can't get it to load? What does "or sound off" mean?
What operating system are you using and is it 64-bit?
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Re:Audio Export Problem
2011/04/28 02:44:21
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I GOT PROTEUS TO WORK>>>It's DYNAMITE...
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Re:Audio Export Problem
2011/04/28 08:17:41
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My website & music: www.herbhartley.com MC4/5/6/X1e.c, on a Custom DAW Focusrite Firewire Saffire Interface BMI/NSAI "Just as the blade chooses the warrior, so too, the song chooses the writer "
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57Gregy
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Re:Audio Export Problem
2011/04/28 10:16:52
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Shouldn't that be "dy-no-mite!"?
Yeah, there are some pretty good patches in it.
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