Audio Exports at Higher Level

Same for me, would love to know what exactly am doing wrong.

gcolbert
What stereo panning law have you chosen (Preferences->Driver Settings)?
 
Glen

I tried all of the Sine/Co-Sine options and the 0dB option and it made no difference. 
 
Very confusing.  Any help with this would be greatly appreciated.  TIA

As best as I can remember, here's what I did to finally get the project exported.
 
I changed the "Pan Law Compatibility Mode" to <1> and used the default Stereo Panning Law, 0dB center, sin/cos taper, constant power.  I don't know if this made a difference or not.

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     PanLawCompatMode=1
 
Stereo tracks appeared to export normally.  Don't ask me why.

Mono tracks that were panned either right or left, (not necessarily hard right or left), seemed to work using this formula fairly consistently, (although not always):

Copy the audio clip to another lane, (I did this to preserve my original clip), highlight it and then add a clip automation-gain envelope to it, (set at +0dB).  Bounce that envelope to the clip and then export normally.

Mono tracks panned up the middle were all over the place and I couldn't find a formula that worked consistently.  No rhyme or reason to it that I could see.  Sometimes they would export at a lower level, sometimes at a higher level, anywhere from 1dB to 6dB.  Sometimes by adding a clip gain envelope and raising the level, the resulting export would be lower in level and sometimes, the opposite.  By trial and error, and sometimes using a combination of steps, I finally got them exported fairly close to the original levels but not exact.

I set the Export Audio DB as follows:

Source = Tracks
Channel Format = Stereo or Mono (as applicable)
Sample Rate = 44100
Bit depth = 24
Dithering = Pow-r 3
Mix Enables= All off except Fast Bounce and 64-bit Engine
I enabled the Clip Automation as needed
 
Something that is very interesting is that other strange things periodically cropped up.  For example, the Clip Envelope Editing tools would just stop working.  A reboot fixed it.  I was also getting some strange behavior with the Smart Tool.  Occasionally, when I'd move the mouse from the Clips Pane left into the Tracks Pane, I was still getting smart tool pointers.  Very strange.
 
If no one else but Slenderhead is seeing this behavior,there's got to be something wrong with my system.  This is a brand new computer build and all fresh installs.  I did have to go to a Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 USB interface as my old PCI Delta 66 was too noisy to use, (PCI bridging issues).  Any ideas on what I may have screwed up?
 
Thanks for any ideas.
 
Paul
 

set your primary output 3dBs lower...  last slider on the right in the console view.
 
 

Bristol_Jonesey

11Dreams
set your primary output 3dBs lower...  last slider on the right in the console view.
 
 

That doesn't solve his problem
 
Paul, under Source Category, try selecting your Main Outs (might be called Hardware Outputs). Solo the track and export again

Good to know :) Thank you!
I setup an export with all options. Track was same as Track, Bus was the same as bus, the rest went though out through the audio interface.

 

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Bristol_Jonesey

11Dreams
set your primary output 3dBs lower...  last slider on the right in the console view.
 
 

That doesn't solve his problem
 
Paul, under Source Category, try selecting your Main Outs (might be called Hardware Outputs). Solo the track and export again

I'm trying to just copy the raw audio from my tracks.  If I use any output other than "Tracks", the audio will be effected by whatever is in the path, right?
 
I'm going to try this approach.  Main outs, solo track / clip and shut off everything.
 
Thanks.
 
Paul

Bristol_Jonesey
One other point which has caught many people out is if you have more than 1 pair of outputs assigned via your interface (e.g. to feed a headphone mix)
 
If you then select "Entire Mix" as your export source, you'll get an increase in level of 3dB for every pair assigned.
 
For this reason among others, I ALWAYS use Main Outs for my exports.

Colin.  If I'm exporting just raw audio from a track, it shouldn't go through the interface, right?  It's just math inside Sonar.
 
I just started using a new interface, a Focusrite Scarlett 6i6.  I haven't got it entirely figured out yet, so it's possible that it might be the culprit but looking at how random and unpredictable the exported levels seem to be, (some +3 to +6dB, some -3 to -6dB), I don't see how this is possible.
 
Paul

karma1959
Was the track routing to a bus?  I've had challenges when exporting when using any other output than hardware outputs.  For example, if using 'entire mix' , bus levels would be summed, making the export a different level than when listening. 
 
I'd second Bristol Jonesy's approach of always using hardware output during your exports, and muting all other tracks you don't want included in the export to keep levels consistent.

Thanks Russ, but I just want raw tracks.  I'm going to try it.


Paul

Bristol_Jonesey

Paul G

Bristol_Jonesey
One other point which has caught many people out is if you have more than 1 pair of outputs assigned via your interface (e.g. to feed a headphone mix)
 
If you then select "Entire Mix" as your export source, you'll get an increase in level of 3dB for every pair assigned.
 
For this reason among others, I ALWAYS use Main Outs for my exports.

Colin.  If I'm exporting just raw audio from a track, it shouldn't go through the interface, right?  It's just math inside Sonar.****
 
I just started using a new interface, a Focusrite Scarlett 6i6.  I haven't got it entirely figured out yet, so it's possible that it might be the culprit but looking at how random and unpredictable the exported levels seem to be, (some +3 to +6dB, some -3 to -6dB), I don't see how this is possible.
 
Paul

*** Correct.
 
If all you want is the raw track with no Fx, just hit 'e' to globally bypass all Fx, solo the track & Export
 
Even easier, if your track is one long clip, just drag it to your desktop
If it's not, bounce to clip then drag to desktop

Thanks Colin.  I've done that as well and I still get exported audio that's either louder or softer than the original clip.  I also noticed that sometimes, for no apparent reason, the global FX would just turn back on by itself.  Definitely some goblins in my system.
 
Paul