Audio FX ...where's speed / pitch change option gone ? SOLVED Time/ Pitch 2

I cannot find the Change speed/alter pitch box-grid in Sonar X1 ....it used to be in the audio fx list at the very bottom ....I'm hoping it's not been made obsolete as I use this quite a lot for Les Paul type effects....is it still there ?

Thanks....I I cannot believe that one thing I found essential ....they took away !

Do you know if it's possible to retrieve it from Sonar 7 via a custom install ? I don't know how I would go about It if indeed it could be done

hmm...
 
Could someone explain or give the exact name of this effects (and where to find it)? I don't think I've heard of this one and I've owned everything back to X1 Producer.
 
We're not talking about V-Vocal are we (which was removed after X2... which would make sense based on Craig's OP).
 
If it's not VV whatever this is might have been removed BEFORE the X series 'cause I have no idea what's being described (Grids? Time shifting? Never seen anything like that in any of my versions and I am a Sonar explorer).
 
Sounds interesting even if it's old.
 
Cheers.

Damn... apparently I had left my SWA X2 FX vid timesheet/list incomplete (and totally fracked up). I keep my own notes on things like this for reference but they no worky so good when I haven't completed them.
 
I'll check it out tomorrow when I've got the rig fired up. I think I remember this thing. Just haven't played with it yet (or I'm imagining things again).
 
Thanks.

Time (and technology) marches on, man. I don't like it either but when the time comes my current system will get locked down so I can continue using it (just like I've done with my last system).
 
However there's nothing stopping you from fully installing 7 on your new system. It's not supported anymore but might work well enough to allow you to perform this function then import the resulting clip into your current Sonar version (or even make this particular effect accessible in newer versions... any VST should show up if you set your scans right).
 
It's not that huge a deal and there are ways around this type of thing.
 
Also... yes there are lots of new fangled this that's and others that you could learn/use to likely accomplish the same thing. I am not familiar with THIS particular plugin and how it works otherwise I would offer some suggestions (Craig already has) but the new gen of tools are pretty good and worth looking into.
 
I'm not sure how this type of effect helps with a "Les Paul" sound so maybe an in depth description of exactly what you are trying accomplish (and how you used to do it) could help people help you figure out a new (and better) workflow using the newer tools.
 
Very little gets removed without a suitable replacement... BUT if you are desperate I don't see why 7 wouldn't install on a new system. Heck... if I were ever to rebuild my rig/build a new one I think I'd install every version I own.

As long as one installs only the one plugin there will be no problems. 

componentrare123
Thanks again for help...the one good thing about problems and upgrades and whatever is all the great support and concern one gets from this forum ...and you can always rely on it too.

I did reinstall Sonar 7 a while ago but I there were numerous crashes ..which is one reason I upgraded to X1D...

As for what I'm trying to do...remember recording on a tape recorder (well some of you old timers might ) you recorded at half speed an octave down, then played back at normal tempo...and you had a bright zappy full on effect...that's all I'm trying to get in Sonar. But....I liked the quick easy way the absent Time Pitch efx did it...I don't want a long messy process to replace it, Audio Labs had a good time/pitch process on there cleaning lab and I hope I can get it again.

If that's all you then the Loop Constuctor/Groove Clip stuff will get you there (which Craig mentioned).
 
 Halve your project tempo then record your 8ve down/half speed clip normally, turn it into a Groove Clip and set it to obey Tempo AND Pitch changes. Then when you bring the tempo back up it will speed up as well. Then just increase the pitch in the Clip Inspector (I think) or Loop Inspector.
 
If there are artifacts go into Loop Constructor and futz with the slices for better quality/transient accuracy.
 
You could also use the Timing Tool to speed up a regular audio clip then use the DSP Transpose tool (like Craig also mentioned) or Melodyne to adjust pitch.
 
If you have X1 then you have access to VVocal as well which I think does kind of "Varispeed" effects such as this.
 
BTW... Varispeed is the general term you'll want to use when looking for solutions to this (plenty of third party plugs that do this and there is a Feature Request on this forum for a proper Varispeed effect to be implemented).
 
Good luck.

Anderton
I think it was removed with X3...

 
Are you sure it's been discontinued totally? I suspect that it is still included in the 32-bit version of Sonar. I'll check later.

componentrare123
As for what I'm trying to do...remember recording on a tape recorder (well some of you old timers might ) you recorded at half speed an octave down, then played back at normal tempo...and you had a bright zappy full on effect...that's all I'm trying to get in Sonar.

Okay, that's easy to do with the Loop Construction View, and you'll find the audio quality much better than using the old FX. Even better, you've given me the topic for the next "Friday's Tip of the Week"!

Kev999
...I suspect that it is still included in the 32-bit version of Sonar. I'll check later.

 
I may or may not be correct about this. I realise that the OP said that "Time/Pitch Stretch 2" was missing until he installed Sonar 7, but it's definitely present on my laptop, which only has X2 and X3 installed, and no earlier versions. Go figure.

But, even in Sonar 7, this feature is present in the 32-bit edition but absent from the 64-bit edition. Same in other versions. So if you go looking for it in any 64-bit Sonar you won't find it.