Audio Interface Suggestions

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2012/07/16 21:59:28 (permalink)

Audio Interface Suggestions

Hello All,

I just upgraded to a new computer due to major hardware crash and I'm looking for opinions, please, on audio interfaces. (My computer specs are at the end of this message.)

I'm leaning toward the MOTU 2408 mk3 as I've seen good comments about it plus I have two Tascam DM-24 boards (one for backup) and am hoping to get more life out of them (no support for the tascam if-fw/dm anymore. 'nother topic). I see that it has TDIF interfaces.

Any input would be greatly appreciated. Horror stories, accolades, etc.

I'm, currently, using my digi002 with WDM drivers. The ASIO drivers work, but SONAR's transport does not move and some tracks fade out. Besides the fact that I have an aversion to Avid and Pro Tools (ack! Ptooey!).

Thank you all in advance.

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    bmdaustin
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    Re:Audio Interface Suggestions 2012/07/17 00:40:03 (permalink)
    It all depends on your input and output needs. The MOTU is a good choice, assuming it fits your requirements.

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    Re:Audio Interface Suggestions 2012/07/17 05:57:01 (permalink)
    Yep, Paul's pretty much got it nailed - what's the MAXIMUM number of tracks you'll want to record simultaneously?

    If it's only 2 for example, the MOTU is overkill.



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    Re:Audio Interface Suggestions 2012/07/17 10:16:22 (permalink)
    Thanks. I record, mostly, a few tracks at a time, but want to keep flexibility and ability to do full bands. At least up to 16 tracks at a time, if need be. What I really want to find out is what hardware to stay away from and what hardware is a very good value.

    Upgrading my system opened my eyes to those companies that value their customer base and those that don't.
    For instance Colin, I see you have the Saffire Pro 26. How is it? Has Focusrite supported it with drivers for new operating systems? 64 bit? Any problems getting it to play well with other gear/software in your system?

    I just want to try and purchase something that has a better than average chance of becoming a boat anchor in 3-5 years. And, possibly allow me to use some of my existing equipment a few more years.

    Thanks.
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    Re:Audio Interface Suggestions 2012/07/17 10:26:45 (permalink)
    You'll like the performance of the 2408mkIII with the PCIe 424 controller card.
    Assuming the DAW is well configured, you can go all the way down to a 16-sample ASIO buffer size.
    Good choice for use with the digital console...

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    Re:Audio Interface Suggestions 2012/07/17 10:29:19 (permalink)
    Within the same price and in/out range, the choices are pretty much similiar.  Most modern interfaces work pretty well and sound pretty pretty much the same.

    The real trick (and not much of one at that) is getting an interface that works w/o a lot of work on your system.  Just buy from a place that will let you return your interface for a different make if interface A has a problem w/ your system.  The moto is good - if it works fine.  If not, return it for the focusite.  If that doesn't work, it is your system not the interface's fault.

    It is always good to get the best equipment you can afford.  That way you don't wonder if it is you or this crappy ....  On these boards, the most problem free interfaces seem to be RME, Roland, focusrite from  what I can tell.  OF course, I have a TC which many people seem to have problems with.  But you can't depend upon boards.  Most people that come to a forum are there because they are having a problem, not to praise.

    16 tracks is going to put you into an upper bracket, although you could get an interface w/ a cheaper ADAT A/D for the times you need all those inputs.

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    Re:Audio Interface Suggestions 2012/07/18 03:38:14 (permalink)
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    Thanks. I record, mostly, a few tracks at a time, but want to keep flexibility and ability to do full bands. At least up to 16 tracks at a time, if need be. What I really want to find out is what hardware to stay away from and what hardware is a very good value.

    Upgrading my system opened my eyes to those companies that value their customer base and those that don't.
    For instance Colin, I see you have the Saffire Pro 26. How is it? Has Focusrite supported it with drivers for new operating systems? 64 bit? Any problems getting it to play well with other gear/software in your system?

    I just want to try and purchase something that has a better than average chance of becoming a boat anchor in 3-5 years. And, possibly allow me to use some of my existing equipment a few more years.

    Thanks.


    When my new DAW was built, the company that built it offered to install & configure the Pro 26 which I gladly accepted.
    It turns out that although there is no specific 64 bit driver for it, Focusrite make a fully compatible one available which runs really well on my system.

    On saying that, it will probably be the next thing that I upgrade in my system as modern units can achieve a lower latency than I can currently achieve.

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    Re:Audio Interface Suggestions 2012/07/18 07:45:12 (permalink)
    I have an RME UCX which I love....plenty of ins and outs for what I need.....I would also recommend Roland Octa Capture, and the UA Apollo.....I wanted the Apollo but the drivers weren't available for Windows at the time....in any event I was looking for great converters and the UCX has it in spades

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    Re:Audio Interface Suggestions 2012/07/18 10:30:49 (permalink)
    I love my interface, can't beat the features.

    http://www.tcelectronic.com/StudioKonnekt48.asp


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    Re:Audio Interface Suggestions 2012/07/18 10:40:47 (permalink)
    Hey tac, I love my TCK 48 too.  Great sound here at home, esp. w/ a couple of external preamps.

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    Re:Audio Interface Suggestions 2012/07/18 10:54:37 (permalink)
    I would really suggest against the MOTU compared to the sound of Focusrite. Compared my 2 MOTU 2408 mk2's to 2 Focusrite Sapphire pro 40's- no comparison! Much clearer, less digital-ish- by far. That's if latency isn't much of a problem for you and you're not doing a lot of MIDI and soft-synth work. I found the MOTU's are better latency-wise. 

    Some guy on here had some MOTU's modified by... Black Lion?? ...something like that- and he was very pleased. Either way- both good interfaces. But the Focusrite's were much more musical sounding to my ear- and no comparison. But I do almost exclusively acoustic recording, monitoring through a vintage mixer- so latency is no big to me.

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    Re:Audio Interface Suggestions 2012/07/18 11:34:16 (permalink)
    Compared my 2 MOTU 2408 mk2's to 2 Focusrite Sapphire pro 40's



    Well give yourself a chance !! 2408 mkII were great in it's days ... like what 10 years ago !!  ;) 


    but since the OP is interfacing with a Tascam DM24 (with 3 TDIF ports) ... a 2408mk3 would be the obvious choice. 


    but beware !! I've red on some audio forums (RME and Maudio notably), about newer computer mainboards and PCI support. 


    Since sandy bridge, PCI slots are bridged into the PCI express buss.. they are not native like they used to. 
    Some intel chipsets do have native PCI, but newer ones (Z-series for example) does have a ITE PCI bridge that can affect PCI audio performance, 
    inducing clicks and pops, and CPU spikes. looks like Maudio is phasing out PCI interfaces because of this. 

    Nowadays, I would make sure I can test and return if ever a PCI soundcard is not working properly in a newer machine, 

    but still, firewire is not sooo good for high-channel count AND low latency... 

    Hope that helps ! 

    Cheers ! 

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    Re:Audio Interface Suggestions 2012/07/18 11:40:43 (permalink)
    I would really suggest against the MOTU compared to the sound of Focusrite. Compared my 2 MOTU 2408 mk2's to 2 Focusrite Sapphire pro 40's- no comparison! Much clearer, less digital-ish- by far. That's if latency isn't much of a problem for you and you're not doing a lot of MIDI and soft-synth work. I found the MOTU's are better latency-wise.

     
    If the OP is looking for 24 channels of TDIF I/O (on the audio interface)... he's probably using the Digital Console for A/D D/A.
     
    • Focusrite's forte' is fidelity for the buck.
    • MOTU's forte' is excellent ultra low latency performance for the buck
    • RME - you get the best of both (and the price reflects that)
    If 16 channels of I/O would suffice, the RME RayDat with two TEB (TDIF Expansion Board) units would be another option.

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    Re:Audio Interface Suggestions 2012/07/18 11:58:53 (permalink)

    Having owned multiple RME cards over the years (Multiface, digiface, HDSP9652)... I must say I don't quite understand the hype about AD/DA quality of RME ... sure it's the most reliable, with the less latency, the most amazing routing options and everything ... 

    But about the "sound"... I think they sound rather small, thin and 2D. I've compared them straight to a MOTU 896HD ... and the MOTU sounded so much better, I'd pick up a bunch of MOTU before a RME if I'd need AD/DA... but RME if using digital I/O

    but the thing with MOTU, while it might be less the case since they are porting DP to windows now... but back in the days, 
    I've always had that feeling that MOTU were supporting windows only the get the money rolling... not-so-frequent driver updates and overall windows support, compared to RME. 
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    Re:Audio Interface Suggestions 2012/07/18 12:11:44 (permalink)
    The Steinberg interfaces are picking up some positive feedback with their latest driver release apparently making them a very solid option. Supposedly they are good sounding units. I would like to hear one up close. 

    I'm slowly shopping my way through a few of these with presonus vsl and steinberg as being the most interesting to me right now.

    I want great sound, low latency and dependability at a decent price point. It seems like a crap-shoot sorting through all the offerings not named RME. 

     
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    Re:Audio Interface Suggestions 2012/07/18 12:25:03 (permalink)
    Having owned multiple RME cards over the years (Multiface, digiface, HDSP9652)... I must say I don't quite understand the hype about AD/DA quality of RME

     
    Based on the above list, I could see why you'd come to this conclusion.  
    Out of the three listed, the Multiface is the only one with decent converters.
    The D/A on the Digiface is really there for headphone amp (not to be a pristine D/A).
     
    FWIW, I have an 896HD... and it's still getting used a lot.
    Good sound, you can completely bypass the onboard preamps, and great ultra low latency performance
     
    If you compare the fidelity of the Fireface and newer RME units... I think you'd come to a different conclusion.
    ie:  I've measured the Fireface 800's average noise-floor at -117 to -118dB.  The 896HD's average noise-floor is -110 to -111dB.  Many typical audio interfaces have an average noise-floor of -103 to -107dB.
    While this may not seem like a huge deal on a single track of audio, multiply that 6 to 14dB of extra noise across 24-48 tracks.
     
    MOTU A/D D/A tends to sound a little darker (relatively speaking) and more "round".
    RME A/D D/A (by comparison) sounds a little brighter and better preserves transients (relatively speaking).
    Note that these are subjective/relative comments.  You can record great sounding tracks with either...

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    Re:Audio Interface Suggestions 2012/07/18 12:28:18 (permalink)
    Didnt MOTU and RME use the same converters at one point? I have this in my brain for some reason. I dont know if they still do or if they did in the past. Or maybe im just missinformed

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    Re:Audio Interface Suggestions 2012/07/18 12:54:32 (permalink)
    People keep warning me that MOTU drivers are way more flakey on Windows,than RME,and a trip to their site does make one think they are mac preferred[DP] however,I was also told this mainly an issue with the cheaper interfaces,when using USB,or older Firewire only,and the PCI PCIE,are fine with Windows[OP's 2408]?

    I would like to get a step up from my cake UA25-EX,but I must say it works great for a highish latency USB 1.1 unit,as far as sound per dollars.

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    Re:Audio Interface Suggestions 2012/07/18 13:19:49 (permalink)
    Gaffpro


    I have an RME UCX which I love....plenty of ins and outs for what I need.....

    I have the RME Fireface UFX and love it over my Tascam FW-1184 (which is now just a control surface and 8 additional inputs via ADAT lightpipe to the RME).


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    Re:Audio Interface Suggestions 2012/07/19 20:29:34 (permalink)
    Thank you all for your most informative posts. Now my head is swimming with all the info. LOL. Now I just gotta decide the best way to go, after taking all of your posts and opinions under consideration.

    I'd like to gain life out of the DM-24, but better pre-amps and a totally re-vamped set up would be nice. Arrrgghhhh. Decisions, decisions...

    Again, thanks for the posts and insight into drivers, latency, pre-amps, experiences, etc.
    You know what else is really cool? Cakewalk supporting these forums and actually responding and listening to their customers. Tascam just didn't give a s#%$. That's why I'll thing twice, no thrice, before every purchasing a Tascam product. The firewire interface was always a bit buggy, too.

    You guys, truly, are the best!

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    Re:Audio Interface Suggestions 2012/07/19 20:34:37 (permalink)
    My FW-1884 has never been buggy. If I had not sprung for the RME, I still be using it for an audio interface as well as a control surface.
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    Re:Audio Interface Suggestions 2012/07/19 21:22:52 (permalink)
    The motu and RME and various others are often said to be alike but that is because they use the same converter chips.  Since there are only a few chip makers, that is to be expected.

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    Re:Audio Interface Suggestions 2012/07/19 22:34:45 (permalink)
    I've got the 2408 MKIII with the PCIe card and love it!  I've had no issues at all and the input selection is huge, price is right as well  ; )

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    Re:Audio Interface Suggestions 2012/10/05 17:49:39 (permalink)
    Just a quick final follow-up. Thanks again to you all!

    I ended up buying the MOT 2408MK3 PCIe and it's been working great. I can get very low latency plus the IO is great.

    I have it hooked up via TDIF. Bought an inexpensive TDIF cable with the unit, then purchased a more expensive TDIF cable. I can't really tell any difference, input or output.

    Also, this setup is so much more stable than the FW card interface I used to use.

    Yes! More life out of my DM-24s!

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