Audio Scaling

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2017/08/17 03:52:07 (permalink)

Audio Scaling

Is there a way to scale individual elements in a audio clip without affecting the who clip? That's a part of audio scaling that is seriously needed in Sonar! The whole clip gets affected by scaling even if you split it in sections! BIG BUMMER!
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    Re: Audio Scaling 2017/08/17 14:01:02 (permalink)
    The standard method is volume automation. That's how it's been done since long before computers were used for recording, and it still works just as well.
     
    If you really want to do destructive editing, you can split the clip and adjust the sub-clip independently. Yes, it really works.
     
    You can also do gain automation, my preferred method for initially leveling vocal tracks. That does require a third-party plugin, though.
     
     


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    Re: Audio Scaling 2017/08/17 15:22:58 (permalink)
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    Is there a way to scale individual elements in a audio clip without affecting the who clip? That's a part of audio scaling that is seriously needed in Sonar! 

     
    It's already there. Here's the non-destructive way.
     

     
    The whole clip gets affected by scaling even if you split it in sections! BIG BUMMER!

     
    This is also not true, don't know what you're doing wrong but here's the destructive way. 
     
    1. Drag across the part of the clip you want to process while holding Alt (or split, but using Alt is faster).
    2. Click on the clip's handle.
    3. Choose the type of DSP you want (gain, normalization, etc.).
     
    Also note that SONAR can add a crossfade at the split points to minimize clicks.

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    Re: Audio Scaling 2017/08/17 15:33:35 (permalink)
    I might be missing something here but I thought "Audio scaling" is the process of increasing or decreasing the size (scale) of the Audio waveform.
     
    With that being said, I have the OP Blocked so I only read reply's not the opening post.
    I don't often refuse helping others but this post is my last.
     

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    Re: Audio Scaling 2017/08/17 15:46:06 (permalink)
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    I might be missing something here but I thought "Audio scaling" is the process of increasing or decreasing the size (scale) of the Audio waveform.
     

     
    Well, SONAR can do that too. although scaling is a track function, SONAR can scale individual clips within a track. Open up Take Lanes and put the clip you want to scale in its own lane, then follow the usual audio scaling procedure.
     

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    Re: Audio Scaling 2017/08/17 15:48:03 (permalink)
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    I might be missing something here but I thought "Audio scaling" is the process of increasing or decreasing the size (scale) of the Audio waveform.
     

     
    Well, SONAR can do that too. although scaling is a track function, SONAR can scale individual clips within a track. Open up Take Lanes and put the clip you want to scale in its own lane, then follow the usual audio scaling procedure.
     


    That's a good idea.
     
    Personally, if I cant see the wave form good enough it means I didn't do something correctly in the recording process .
    Of course there are exceptions.

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    Re: Audio Scaling 2017/08/19 01:21:07 (permalink)
    Audio Scaling operates distructively on the whole clip not portions of the clip. Don't want to control portions of the track with envelopes! Besides, it not a vocal track it's a bass track where I just want to boost certain notes. Sonar doesn't let you do this on a single track, I probably would have to cut the track up and somehow create separate new files out of the single track or I could edit the whole track in the loop construction window (turn it into a loop) but it's too much work or too long! I don't think that I'm doing anything wrong!
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    Re: Audio Scaling 2017/08/19 01:57:19 (permalink)
    Perhaps I don't understand what you want to do but how as described it is certainly possible in Sonar.  I do this all the time: there are many ways to separate audio/notes in a clip but if you want to do sections as shown in Craig's video, simply "split" the clips as Dave suggested, select the clip, from the menu select Process > Apply Effects > Gain which allows you to adjust the waveform (gain/volume) for that clip alone NOT the entire track.
     
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    Re: Audio Scaling 2017/08/19 05:52:14 (permalink)
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    Audio Scaling operates distructively on the whole clip not portions of the clip. Don't want to control portions of the track with envelopes! Besides, it not a vocal track it's a bass track where I just want to boost certain notes. Sonar doesn't let you do this on a single track, I probably would have to cut the track up and somehow create separate new files out of the single track or I could edit the whole track in the loop construction window (turn it into a loop) but it's too much work or too long! I don't think that I'm doing anything wrong!


    My post told how to do what you want non-destructively or destructively on just a portion of a clip. You don't have to create separate files, just alt+click+drag as I described.

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    Re: Audio Scaling 2017/08/19 12:06:40 (permalink)
    I use normalizing to do this.

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