Audio Snap Issues

I haven't used audio snap, but based on your symptoms, I have to ask if audio snap is creating a bunch of small clips? If so, try doing a section at a time and then bouncing the clips to a single clip. I've seen Sonar exhibit similar symptoms when I've done a lot of editing and have many clips.
 
Regards,
Dan

dcumpian
I haven't used audio snap, but based on your symptoms, I have to ask if audio snap is creating a bunch of small clips? If so, try doing a section at a time and then bouncing the clips to a single clip. I've seen Sonar exhibit similar symptoms when I've done a lot of editing and have many clips.

 
Thanks for replies, Dan, and Gabo,
 
I thought something like this, but the thing is, Im not choosing to split beats into clips, and also even tried working with only 8 bars, at a time, which Im taking out of source track, into its own track, applied trimming, so its only those eight bars and yet it still seems to do this eventually. To start with its only 1 guitar, 1 bass, 1 vocal track about 105 measures, at about 110 (so quite small project, and only so far only working on bass track (with no FX on this track either), considering its supposed to work across multiple tracks, seems odd, also my PC is somewhat substantial, so this shouldn't be an issue. Since Im just learning, and experimenting is why Im taking a long time with each clip, but not doing anything to radical, I dont think). 
Its almost like as though after a certain time period pass's (as in time of day), it decides to crap out, not necessarily because of what Im doing (Teamster possibly?). LOL
(guess Ill stick with Melodyne when trying to do this).
 
Cheers
John
 
 
 
 
 

gbowling 
So are you using AS to tighten up the performance?  
gabo

Yeah pretty much, this is scenario,
 
Its kinda of a one off recording, of a random jam/party, with no drums or time to establish click bpm, (i.e., songs were pretty much written or improvised live at the time, I just hit record and let it run for jam duration) with a bass, and a acoustic guitar/vocalist, so, tempo drifts a bit as well as guitar and bass being a bit out of sync in places, (not the most accomplished musicians, LOL), I had separated various songs from the jam night into separate project files to work with.  Anyway just I wanted to establish constant tempo, tighten up and add VI drums, just to have the basic structure demo/example of the song(s), for posterity or future recording properly, (family from out of town).
 
I figured it may be a challenging exercise to try and learn to use AS, apparently so, lol. So once this issue started, I did start bouncing, every few changes, then went back with AS to continue where I left off, again if I took too long, or made too many changes before bouncing issue would happen again. Then I tried to just pull out one verse, and chorus parts, separately, sync them separately, bounce them, then splice back together into full song, I was more or less successful, but somewhat of more of an ordeal, then I expected to have to do. LOL.
 
Cheers
John        

gbowling
Since the display seems to go whacky on you, maybe it's a display driver or video card that's causing this issue? Be worth a try to do some checking on your video drivers and see if that does anything to help. 

 
My thought as well. I've had some outlier issues that could be traced back to video.
 

win7 should be ok.
 
I have a GTX 970M. But since I have a laptop, I also have an integrated graphics processor. For the nvidia, there are a bunch of settings in there that can affect things. For sonar you really don't need any advanced GPU stuff.
 
So under "adjust image settings" I have "let the 3d application decide"
under "manage 3d settings" I have "auto select" for the preferred graphics processor and under the "programs settings" tab if I find sonar it's listed as using only the integrated graphics processor. So I'm not really using my nvidia for sonar.
 
In the "set PhysX configuration" my laptop display is set to use my onboard graphics.
 
gabo
 

Yea no worries. And trying to fix these on little projects is the best way, because they bite a lot harder when you're in a big project!
 
gabo

At least some positives in there. There are limits as to how far you can move a transient. As you move a transient, it compresses against the transient you're moving towards and expands from the transient you're moving away from. You obviously can't cross another transient and there are limits as to how much you can "smash" or "expand." So yes, you must have some really out of whack audio. 
 
So a couple of things. You mentioned this is just sort of a free form jam. Do you have the project tempo set close to what that jam is? There are several places on the web where you can "tap the tempo" to get an average tempo. 
 
Also, for this type of stuff I usually do it in multiple passes. First pass.. Find the "1 beats" and disable all the other transients, maybe even every other "1 beat." then move those "1 beats" to the proper place. That will get the rest lined up enough to go back through another pass and tighten up the measures.
 
gabo

Sounds good, just FYI I find the average tempo from AS to not be very good. It will show the wrong tempo for a track that has been played to a click and lines up to the grid! haha. Melodyne does a better job, but I still generally check it by doing a tap to tempo. It's a tricky thing to do, I've done it many times on free form live performances. 
 
I have been doing something recently that was similar that was interesting. We had a bunch of old cassette tapes from the 70s and 80s with practice sessions of our band. The songs were all originals and we wanted to make good recordings of them. But we wanted to keep the same old feel and timing. Many of the songs we had forgotten and hadn't played in years.
 
So I transferred the cassette tapes to digital and separated them out. Sorted out the tempos and imported them into sonar projects. Then I used AS, similar to what you're doing, to align the old recording to the grid. So we have a track with the old song played in time with the project tempo.
 
We're using this track as a guide to re-record all the individual tracks of the song. Playing along with the old song track. When we're doing with recording we mute the old song track.
 
It's worked perfectly to re-create the old songs with the same feel and tempo while generating a rock solid modern recording of it.  Sort of the ultimate remaster!
 
We have over 30 songs like this, so I've done this AS thing quite a bit..
 
gabo

JohnEgan
I guess your more inspired when its your own band. (or being paid, LOL).

Very true!!
gabo