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2015/06/01 21:16:03 (permalink)

Audio interface connection preference?

I have an m-audio Profire 610 and it seems to work fine for me in Windows 8.1. m-audio doesn't seem to support it anymore and some people are having issues with Windows 8.1 (let alone Windows 10).
 
Most audio interfaces seem to be firewire or USB 2. If you were getting an interface today, which technology would you choose?
 
I am concerned about the age of firewire and how it seemed it was abandoned by Microsoft (again it seems to be working on my system).
 
Is USB 2 fast enough?
 
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    Re: Audio interface connection preference? 2015/06/01 23:37:44 (permalink)
    From things I have read and seen USB2 is more than adequate for most applications. In fact, some AIs do not preform properly if plugged into a USB3 port (something to also be aware of).
     
    Other things to check are specs and driver support. So many things by M-Audio "stopped" driver updates at Win7, so I jumped ship when I began replacing hardware. Spec differences will more often be trivial in comparison to the maturity of the drivers.

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    Re: Audio interface connection preference? 2015/06/02 01:15:28 (permalink)
    USB 2 is fine, although USB 3 is now becoming commonplace.  USB 3 is far faster than anyone needs right now, yet is still backwards compatible w/ 2 for the most part (check first).  Firewire is still viable through pci cards, which means desktop.  It is more efficient than USB, but again, it is fast enough for all practical purposes.  If you need 32 channels at once you need to go to MADI or Dante.
     
    What I'd get is Burl for ADDA, but that is tré  expensive (about $6000 for a 4 X 8 configuration, their smallest and you still have to get that sweet sound into your computer so save another $1000 or 3).  The best buy right now is the TASCAM uh7000 for my money.  $400 for a 2 X 2 USB 2 interface.  Top of the line conversion and preamps.  Latency can be a problem, but it also uses spdif or AES digital, so you can plug it into many other interfaces that have those connections.  Most of the lower-priced interfaces are about the same sound and spec wise - you just need to make sure it works on your system.  Even RME, considered to write the best drivers for both latency and stability (neat trick that) can have problems with any particular PC system.  Every driver can have a problem, so it is best to buy one you can return and get one that does work.  Focusrite is a favorite here, with TASCAM (the new hardware company associated w/ Cakewalk since Gibson own both) making waves with their newer line of USB interfaces (the uh7000 was a bit earlier tho the preamps share the same topology, I believe).   And they are cheap, starting at $150 for stereo and only twice that for the 16 X 8 unit.

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    Re: Audio interface connection preference? 2015/06/02 10:44:31 (permalink)
    I have an RME UFX and even though it can use USB2 as well, I prefer leaving it connected to FireWire 400. My Studio DAW has a PCIe FireWire card and my HP Laptop has an Express Card slot with a Firewire 400 card in it.

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    Re: Audio interface connection preference? 2015/06/02 11:53:15 (permalink)
    I much prefer firewire.... and it lives on through Thunderbolt, if I were to get another interface it would be thunderbolt2. However with recent MS employee comments about Thunderbolt and Windows 10 that makes me want to think again, does not seem a priority for them.
     
    There are apparently USB3 interfaces out there, if you buy one though buyer beware, often the manufacturer tends to imply they have all the benefits of USB3, yet they actually are just USB3 compatible and have the bandwidth of USB2.

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    Re: Audio interface connection preference? 2015/06/02 11:55:48 (permalink)
    Oh and ps....
     
    If I were to get a USB interface I would strongly consider buying a dedicated USB adapter card for it.

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    Re: Audio interface connection preference? 2015/06/02 12:09:01 (permalink)
    my old pci card is rock solid.
     

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    Re: Audio interface connection preference? 2015/06/02 15:24:16 (permalink)
    USB2 is plenty fast enough and you'd probably not notice any difference at all between USB2 and Firewire, nor between USB2 and USB3. If you're worried about potential obsolescence, get one of the newer units that have both USB and FW. I prefer Firewire because it's a bit more CPU-efficient. But either one will move the data just fine.
     
    An interface that's connected directly to the PCIe bus will always be the champ for efficiency. I just prefer the interface to be outside the computer - fewer cables and mess behind the computer that way.


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    Re: Audio interface connection preference? 2015/06/02 17:32:50 (permalink)
    In another thread, someone suggested (if I understood correctly) that RME, Lynx and MOTU tend to have lower latency systems. RME is more than I want to spend and Lynx looks like they just sell cards? I don't want a card. I like my external m-audio device. That leaves Motu and they just happen to support both FW and USB. Albeit they are not cheap but at least I can get something < $500.
     
    Hopefully my Profire 610 will just work in Windows 10 but since it is no longer supported I can't guarantee it. I am researching now so that the day I install Windows 10 and find that the interface no longer works, I need to get another one ASAP.
     
    I really like the price of the Focusrite stuff but I think I need 3 pairs of analog outputs. I connect my interface to my monitor speakers, PA (for jam alongs) and recently had to loop a set of outputs back to the inputs to accomplish a task.
     
    Thanks for all the input!

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    Re: Audio interface connection preference? 2015/06/02 20:03:45 (permalink)
    Lynx makes both converters and interface pci cards.  8 or 16 channel ADDA which work nicely with a USB card in their slot (according to reputation).  They also have pci cards w/ AES in and out (those work w/ their converters, too, which come w/ AES plus the slot).  They also have an upper end combo interface, as well as new pci cards w/ even better ADDA (so they say - their earlier model was completely professional and up there with most no-boutique models).  2 or 4 channels plus 2 or 4 digital channels for about a grand.
     
     

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    Re: Audio interface connection preference? 2015/06/02 23:21:27 (permalink)
    My Scarlett 6i6 has 3 sets of stereo output to do what you want. 2 pair are analog and the 3rd is SPDIF so you can use that for loop back. This is better as there is no D/A- A/D involved as well. 
    Focusrite is popular because for the money they have solid drivers and excellent customer support. Your hard pressed to find an negative review. The new Tascams are also worth checking out now they've finally started writing better drivers. 
    Mont multi channel interfaces have the same 1/2 -3/4 SPDIF set up.  
    Then it depends on your input needs and they come in all configurations. 
    Here is my shopping list of features to be aware of when looking at an audio interface. 
     
    http://www.cactusmusic.ca...0Interface%20blurb.rtf
     
    What kind of connectivity do you require? and how many of each.
    These are some of the options:
    XLR, 1/4",  Combi jacks,  RCA, ¼” line level, ¼” Instrument level ,MIDI, SPDIF, ADAT,MADI
    How many ins and outs do you think you'll need now and in the future?
    Are they accessible?  Front or rear panel?
    Are all ¼” jacks Balanced?  
    Is there a true stereo pair? Some don’t have a matched set of inputs.
    Pre Amps will fall under the “you get what you pay for”  rule, but check out the reviews anyhow.
    A/D convertors will also fall under the same rule and generally all are good these days.
    Are there peak level meters or just a little LED for each input?
    Are there channel Insert jacks?
    Are there separate controls for Monitor level and headphone level?
    Is there a blend control for mixing Source with Computer ( DAW) ?
    How many Headphone jacks? A level for each?
    Are the input pads or line / Instrument toggle switches on the front, back or software controlled?
    Is it a metal box or cheap plastic? Is it light and portable or large and bulky, Rack mountable?
    Does it have an on / off switch?
    Does it use Buss power or a power supply? Buss power can have issues with noise and Phantom power. Look for at least an optional power supply.  
    Does it have DSP effects built in?
    Does it use a GUI mixer? Having a software (GUI) mixer adds more options.
    Can it be used as stand alone? Some interfaces are also handy as a small mixer.
    What are the Round Trip Latency (RTL) specs? Do you need low RTL for real time processing?
    Low RTL is going to be at a higher price point. A $200 interface will have hidden buffers etc.
    Zero Latency monitoring is not the same as RTL. All interfaces have some latency.
    Zero latency is just marketing hype for monitoring directly from the interface.
    And most important of all, Does it have top notch drivers for your OS. 
    What is the word on support from the company?
    Does it come with free software, An LE version of a  DAW you would like to try?
     
    Everyone will recommend the interface they have chosen, that doesn't mean it is the right one for you. 
     

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    Re: Audio interface connection preference? 2015/06/03 18:27:22 (permalink)
    I didn't think about the loop back using SPDIF. That is great.
     
    If I have to upgrade, I just don't want to go backwards.
     
    The Profire 610 can sample up to 192KHz but many of the interfaces in my price range only go to 96KHz. Having said that, I have never tried it above 48K.
     
    The Profire does have a built in DSP.
     
    BTW I contacted Focusrite and asked specifically if their FW audio interfaces would be supported on Windows 10 and they said yes and the drivers will be be ready by the time Windows 10 is out. So that is good news!
     
    The only other thing I think I need to figure out is the sound quality of other devices compared to the Profire 610. It sounds like for lower end devices (like the ones in my price range) are not the greatest. I wonder where the 610 fits. I do not want anything worse than what I have.
     
    Oh yeah, I heard that some interfaces are noticeably noisy with dynamic mics due to their lower output. I have seen the SM7B mentioned a few times. I don't have one. I do have SM57 but they get driven pretty hard in front of an amp. Either way, I plan on setting up the Profire to send the mic inputs out the back so that if the driver no longer works in Windows 10, I can at least use it as a mic preamp.

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    Re: Audio interface connection preference? 2015/06/03 20:52:51 (permalink)
    I did a lot of research before I got mine, and got a lot of bang for the buck for my needs. I chose FW specifically to avoid any potential USB conflicts, but the Saffire Pro 24 DSP also includes their "VRM box" internally as well as audio loopback path (also internally wired). These features do not exist on all models (I *believe* the audio loopback is only on the FW line, not USB). Another thing to adjust is the sample offset to any AI (this one is a manual 76 samples for 44.1/24). Downside is I am limited in I/O (I overdub solo mostly), but appreciate the connection setups/knobs on this unit a lot. Focusrite seems to take their drivers very seriously (I do not have experience with other AIs, but am keen on watching thread titles with problems), so I do not expect legacy support to cave over time with units still in the field. I *assume* that their MixControl software is updated to include all models it was originally written for anyway.

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    Re: Audio interface connection preference? 2015/06/03 21:26:04 (permalink)
    Focusrite Saffire Pro 24 DSP no longer exists. They don't have VRM anymore according to their website. That is, no products come up when you choose that option. I couldn't find out why.

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    Re: Audio interface connection preference? 2015/06/03 22:06:05 (permalink)
    Had to rewrite this completely - Okay, that comment made me research. It looks like the 24 still includes the DSP (just not printed in the title anymore), and the VRM was removed from the unit (which I have not used anyway, TBH). Thunderbolt support is new (I think).
     
    It might be worth asking Focusrite directly what the difference is between the new and old one. The Red 2/3 plugins came out after I bought mine and were given to owners (and included now).
     
    If the only difference between new and old is the "VRM" part, then it wouldn't be as earth-shattering as I initially thought here (I believe the 24 was the only model to have VRM built in, but not sure).
     
    Edit: I just submitted the question to Focusrite and linked this post.
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    Re: Audio interface connection preference? 2015/06/04 06:12:56 (permalink)
    Thank you!
     
    BTW I was researching latency issues and found a site that did benchmarking of interfaces and it looks like the Focusrite units tended to have the worse latency. My Profire 610 came out pretty good. I am not sure when these tests were run but I read various forums posts around the web that Focusrite has improved the latency through driver changes. 
     
    One youtube video indicated there was a setting in his driver where he could adjust an internal buffer and he changed it from the default to something lower and was happy with the results.
     
    I am a guitar player and while I don't love sims, I do use them from time to time and too much latency is hard to use with an amp sim (at least for me).
     

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    Re: Audio interface connection preference? 2015/06/04 06:47:12 (permalink)
    I went from a Firewire unit, a Focusrite Saffire Pro 40 (after it died out of warranty), to a USB unit, a Roland Octa-Capture and my latency dropped in half on the same PC.  The best I could get (for reliable performance) was 11ms with the Saffire Pro 40.  With the Octa-Capture 4 to 6 ms.  I now have a Roland Studio-Capture and it too is the same latency as the Octa-Capture.
     
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    Re: Audio interface connection preference? 2015/06/04 08:37:54 (permalink)
    Yes, Focusrite interfaces do have worse latency than most (as do Presonus products, for the same reason). But it's due to the chipset they use to implement I/O, and has nothing to do with Firewire versus USB. 


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    Re: Audio interface connection preference? 2015/06/04 09:09:55 (permalink)
    Many Firewire devices in audio equipment use the DICE or DICE II chipsets, including Focusrite.
     
    This is one reason to use a T.I. firewire chipset in a PC; the DICE chipsets want to see a T.I. and usually only work or work properly with a T.I.  I haven't got into the electronics/logic to see what specifically why (I'm an electronics tech but not an Engineer so a lot of what is available is useless to me).

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    Re: Audio interface connection preference? 2015/06/04 10:11:17 (permalink)
    My TC Konnekt FW unit dropped the latency in half (from 12 ms to about 5) w/ the latest drivers.  They say they are still working on drivers for Win10.  They use DICE (I think they developed it IIRC) and it works fine on my old VIA chipset FW card.
     
    As far as sound, almost all similarly-priced units will sound pretty much the same.  They basically use the same components, same IC preamps.  The good news is they all sound very good.  Worry about the software, not about a $5 preamp sounding better than another one.
     
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    Re: Audio interface connection preference? 2015/06/04 11:13:39 (permalink)
    The DAW Benchmark test have not been updated for way to log a time and things change. Even Tascam is now in the running. Focusrites latency is more or less exaclty the same as all the others in it's price range. Lowest ratings seem to be RME and Lynx. 
    You have to be very careful when trying to look up latency figures. One persons results will never match the others. And most of the under $500 interfaces use hidden buffers so your test will not be accurate. If I set my Focusrite on it's 2nd lowest buffer setting, the latency is almost acceptable. My guess is it must be around 7ms. I can't go lower without causing audio dropouts. But I don't use real time effects so I leave the buffer in the middle which they call 10ms but I think it means 256. It matters not what the RTL for most people as all decent interfaces use direct monitoring where there will be next to zero as far as overdubs go. 
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    Re: Audio interface connection preference? 2015/06/04 23:14:56 (permalink)
    Here is the response I got back from Focusrite (from post #15 above):
     
    "Thanks for your mail. Except for the DSP Functions and the extra Headphone Port found on the DSP, both units are functionally the same. They were released at the same time, and both can be used with a Thunderbolt Adapter.

    The DSP Model was discontinued, and the unit that took its place in the lineup is the Saffire Pro 26, which doesn't have the DSP Functions, but offers extra I/O on the unit at roughly the same price you would've found the DSP for new. Also, the standard Pro 24 is still current.

    If you need any more support, please don't hesitate to contact us."
     
    I am a bit confused now with the "DSP" part, since I had mentioned the VRM removal in my query. I have nothing to compare this too, but in MixControl there are Compression/EQ/Reverb DSP functions (internal to the box) which apparently no longer exist either (no idea here, but someone on a Saffire PRO [14/24/26/40] could confirm). I had *assumed* this was inherent in all Saffire models (cuts out the "DAW trip" for the monitor mix). I did not even notice the second headphone out had disappeared until I got the response (and the two associated Monitor Mix buttons disappeared as well). DOH!
     
    Bottom line, the replacement unit is a significantly different beast than what is sitting on my desk
     
    Edit: I am assuming the DSP is processed in the MixControl software itself now (as it is listed as a feature on the new model in that format). I just did a quick search for "VRM Box" and do not find a link to a product internal to the Focusrite site (not sure if this was also discontinued now).
    post edited by mettelus - 2015/06/04 23:30:54

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    Re: Audio interface connection preference? 2015/06/05 02:16:08 (permalink)
    USB2/3 is absolutely the way to go, forget firewire, the industry has chosen and the near future is usb 3 type c connector.
    For music Usb 2 will be more than enough for most.
    I have both a fw and an usb audio interface, I fully expect the usb one to work within days of Windows 10 release, but I know it'll take a little miracle to get the fw one working.
     
     
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    Re: Audio interface connection preference? 2015/06/05 06:18:51 (permalink)
    I would have thought that USB 3 was the future for PC since USB 3.0 is more prevalent on PCs versus Thunderbolt. However, Focusrite still does not make a USB 3 interface but they have a whole new line of Thunderbolt interfaces coming out this summer. I wonder where the other manufactures are going to go?
     
    The thing I liked about the Saffire series was that they had a DSP mixing capabilities inside the interface. I am going to rely on that if and when my Profire quits working with Windows 10. I can use it as a mic pre-amp (if I ever needed one).
     
    Latency part has me concerned since there are many are saying Focusrite has some of the worse latencies out there. There are a few saying they have improved it in their driver. But then some will say the latency comes from extra buffering inside the device? Perhaps the new drivers let you adjust that internal buffer? I recently saw a youtube video indicating that. I don't know.
     
    I like Focusrite at the moment because it seems that either Thunderbolt or USB 3 devices will be coming out and I don't want to invest a lot in another interface that is going to go obsolete (I.E. like the Profire 610).
     
    Thanks for all the responses! On Aug 1st, if my interface no longer works, I will need to get one quickly. Still don't know which way to go but still have time to research.
     

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    Re: Audio interface connection preference? 2015/06/05 09:22:20 (permalink)
    More important than USB2/3 vs. Firewire... is the individual audio interface choice.
    There are good choices whether you're talking PCIe, USB2, or Firewire.
    Go with a unit that's a proven top-performer (rock-solid drivers that yield low round-trip latency).
     
    When using a USB audio interface, here are a couple of things to remember:
    • Prior to Z series chipsets, ALL USB3 ports on ALL motherboards were provided via 3rd-party controllers.  Many USB2 audio interfaces don't work well when connected to 3rd-party USB3 controllers.  Liken the situation to using a non-TI chipset Firewire controller.  It opens the door to compatibility issues.
    • When connecting via USB, try to isolate the audio interface on its own Root Hub
    • If you've got a newer generation motherboard with Intel Z or X series chipset, you've got Intel USB3.  Most audio interfaces work fine when connected to Intel USB2 or USB3 controllers.
     
    With 32-channels of I/O, you're nowhere near saturating the USB2 bus.
    There's a lot of talk about USB3 and Thunderbolt offering far more bandwidth.
    While that's certainly true, additional (unused) bandwidth won't buy additional performance.
     
     
     

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    Re: Audio interface connection preference? 2015/06/05 10:02:43 (permalink)
    Sorry for the highjack,
     
    but Jim,  how do you know if a USB chip is Z if we put in a pci card?  And if we do and only ever plug our interface into it then we don't have to worry about sharing, correct?  Hope this isn't giving away state secrets.
     
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    Re: Audio interface connection preference? 2015/06/05 11:28:31 (permalink)
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    but Jim,  how do you know if a USB chip is Z if we put in a pci card?  And if we do and only ever plug our interface into it then we don't have to worry about sharing, correct?  Hope this isn't giving away state secrets.



    Z77, Z87, Z97, and X99 Intel chipset motherboards all have Intel USB3 integrated into the chipset.
    If you add a PCIe USB controller, it's not an Intel USB controller.
    That doesn't mean it won't work.    (Like Firewire, it depends on the combination)
    If you add a PCIe USB controller, I'd avoid USB3 units.  
    post edited by Jim Roseberry - 2015/06/05 11:35:02

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    Re: Audio interface connection preference? 2015/06/05 12:07:10 (permalink)
    Jim, I take it by top performer you are referring to Rme, lynx and motu? I am getting that from another thread you posted in.

    I get that USB 2.0 is fast enough to transfer a lot of data but there is a certain latency built in that I believe (but don't know) thunderbolt overcomes. Having said that, USB is probably fine for me. My profire 610 is Ok in this regard, although it is fw.

    So the trick for me is to find an interface that has solid and low latency drivers that fits my budget. Rme does not fit my budget.

    As an aside, I checked out your website and it turns out we live about an hour apart.

    Thanks for the information

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    Re: Audio interface connection preference? 2015/06/09 15:22:38 (permalink)
    I had an older MOTU 828 MKII - for 12 years.   Now, one can argue that the mic pre's and the dsp chips weren't as good as (everyones favorite goes here)..  What can't be argued is the firewire connection was flawless in 12 years of use, and MOTU's software for routing headphone distribution, eliminated my need to worry about latency.  SO - my favorite transport was firewire for 12 years.  But, the 828 done 'blowed up' a few weeks ago.
     
    As I researched two weeks ago,  it was firewire, USB2, USB3, thunderbolt - NOT SURE where I would classify AVB and ethernet yet, but its pretty darned handy.  Firewire seems on its way out - darn.  I was ready for a mid end level unit,  until I started reading what went under the hood of the new MOTU AVB design, paying attention to converters, mic pre designs.  Since you can return hardware at many retailers, I bit and picked up a 1248.  USB2 is without a doubt - fast enough.  MOTU hit it the ball out of the park with its monitor software too.  Thunderbolt is one of the connectors, but MOTU does not yet have a windows driver for it.  Thats OK.  USB2 is fine.    Its probably out of your budget, but if others are considering - peek at this one.  Thunderbolt, USB2 and AVB interconnection. 
     
     
     
      

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    Re: Audio interface connection preference? 2015/06/09 15:34:03 (permalink)
    FWIW my 2i2 is running great on Win 10 eval. My Toneport UX2, not so much.....

     
     
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