Audio interface question about USB 3.0 (conflicts and windows conflicts-Just 2

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Audio interface question about USB 3.0 (conflicts and windows conflicts-Just 2

Hi
Looking at The MOTU UltraLite-mk3 Hybrid Audio Interface:
 
Have read it does not like USB 3.0 ports and also that the Windows drivers are not real great?
 
Looking at the Roalnd Octa, really my first choice: Read it definitely does not like USB 3.0 ports.
 
It's for my laptop which of course only has 4 USB 3.0 ports. Killer laptop besides that.
 
Yes, I do need that many ins and outs. At least 6 in and 6 or 8 out.
 
Thanks folks

 
 
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    Re:Audio interface question about USB 3.0 (conflicts and windows conflicts-Just 2 2013/01/02 05:03:13 (permalink)
    What is the laptop model?

    Does it have any expansion slots?


    I know when I tried my quad capture on usb3 the latency was much higher than usb2

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    Re:Audio interface question about USB 3.0 (conflicts and windows conflicts-Just 2 2013/01/02 08:09:41 (permalink)
    Its an Asus N56VM. 4 USB ports. It has on HDMI and of course ethernet-That's it. What is an expansion port? If you mean like a card slot or something-no, I sure wish it did because I also have an Echo Indigo.
     
    So, it seems the USB 3.0 ports thing is not just a rumor.
    Thanks very Much

     
     
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    Re:Audio interface question about USB 3.0 (conflicts and windows conflicts-Just 2 2013/01/02 08:12:38 (permalink)
    I believe that Windows 8 has addressed the USB 3 problem. I know that Propellerhead's Balance now works with USB 3 in Windows 8 when it didn't in Windows 7.
     
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    Re:Audio interface question about USB 3.0 (conflicts and windows conflicts-Just 2 2013/01/02 09:24:31 (permalink)
    I use the Motu Mk3 Hybrid fro mixing project in Win 64bit and they are rock solid. I believe that they use the same drivers as the Ultralite hybrid. I also believe that Win 7 does not support USB3 speeds on its own.

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    Re:Audio interface question about USB 3.0 (conflicts and windows conflicts-Just 2 2013/01/02 10:14:49 (permalink)
    Looking at The MOTU UltraLite-mk3 Hybrid Audio Interface:   Have read it does not like USB 3.0 ports and also that the Windows drivers are not real great?   Looking at the Roalnd Octa, really my first choice: Read it definitely does not like USB 3.0 ports.   It's for my laptop which of course only has 4 USB 3.0 ports. Killer laptop besides that.   Yes, I do need that many ins and outs. At least 6 in and 6 or 8 out.



    The issue with USB-3 is that on all motherboards except the newer Z series chipset units, the USB-3 ports are provided via 3rd-party add-on controllers.  Liken this USB-3 scenario to using non-TI chipset Firewire controllers.  
    Many USB-2 audio interfaces don't cope well (or as well) as using the USB-2 controller that integrated into the motherboard's chipset.
    With a laptop, you have limited USB ports... but with a desktop, you should have plenty of integrated USB-2 ports.
    There's no performance advantage to using a USB-2 device connected to a USB-3 port.


    I've been running USB-3 RAID units under Win7x64.
    You don't need any special patch/drivers/updates/etc to get the full speed of USB-3.
    USB-3 will top out in the ~500MB/Sec range (assuming you're connected to a USB-3 controller on a Z series chipset motherboard - integrated into the chipset).

    The MOTU USB audio interface drivers are fine.

    If you're using a Z series chipset motherboard (Z77, Z75), you'll likely do fine when connected via USB-3 ports.




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    Re:Audio interface question about USB 3.0 (conflicts and windows conflicts-Just 2 2013/01/02 10:41:31 (permalink)
    Am I the only one Jealous of Jim's Hair??

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    Re:Audio interface question about USB 3.0 (conflicts and windows conflicts-Just 2 2013/01/02 11:01:31 (permalink)
    I can't comment on his hair, but I'm jeaous of his knowledge.  He always has a great understanding of the facts.

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    Re:Audio interface question about USB 3.0 (conflicts and windows conflicts-Just 2 2013/01/02 11:06:29 (permalink)
    Am I the only one Jealous of Jim's Hair??



    Its a wig...      jk

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    Re:Audio interface question about USB 3.0 (conflicts and windows conflicts-Just 2 2013/01/02 11:21:33 (permalink)
    I thought that was Plant

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    I thought that was Plant






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    Re:Audio interface question about USB 3.0 (conflicts and windows conflicts-Just 2 2013/01/02 19:35:22 (permalink)
    Thanks Guys
     
    The MOTU UltraLite-mk3 Hybrid would be for my laptop which only has USB 3.0 ports. That's where I would want to use it. It has that built extra charge usb crap so I assuming this affects the voltage. Maybe not. But the voltage is diffeent from what I read. 
     
    I am getting the Asus P8Z77 V for my desktop daw. I use my layla3G for that.
     
    I am looking at the USB stuff for my laptop only-Asus N56VM
     
    Thanks for all the responses.

     
     
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    Re:Audio interface question about USB 3.0 (conflicts and windows conflicts-Just 2 2013/01/02 19:37:31 (permalink)
    @Cjay
     
    I am going to check if they are the same drivers-Thanks - Hope they are.

     
     
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    Re:Audio interface question about USB 3.0 (conflicts and windows conflicts-Just 2 2013/01/02 19:42:52 (permalink)
    Can't believe I have to register to download drivers at MOTU? Anyway, I cannot tell if they ar the same drivers for the 828 that Cjay uses. But I did see where they are testing drivers for Windows 8 x64 and will have those soon.
     
     

     
     
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    Re:Audio interface question about USB 3.0 (conflicts and windows conflicts-Just 2 2013/01/02 21:15:29 (permalink)
    I am happy to report that the drivers are the same for all the MOTU USB audio interfaces and CJay says they are rock solid- Cool Good enough for me.
     
    Also they have firmware updates for ALL the USB interfaces to make them more compatible with USB 3.0 ports-That's a big plus also. No mention of that on the Roalnd site for the Octacapture.
    Decisions, Decisions, Decisions-

     
     
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    Re:Audio interface question about USB 3.0 (conflicts and windows conflicts-Just 2 2013/01/02 21:20:10 (permalink)
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    I use the Motu Mk3 Hybrid fro mixing project in Win 64bit and they are rock solid. I believe that they use the same drivers as the Ultralite hybrid. I also believe that Win 7 does not support USB3 speeds on its own.


    I should have asked-Are you using the firewire or USB drivers? Very important for clarification. Just read where some bozo says (Dec 12, 2012 no less ) that the Win USB drivers suffer a lot???? But that's only one post.

     
     
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    Re:Audio interface question about USB 3.0 (conflicts and windows conflicts-Just 2 2013/01/03 11:37:59 (permalink)
    I use USB Strat. I find it way better. But this also depends on the type of Firewire card you have on your PC. From what i have read, firewire is going to be fazed out in the future.

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    Re:Audio interface question about USB 3.0 (conflicts and windows conflicts-Just 2 2013/01/03 18:22:27 (permalink)
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    I use USB Strat. I find it way better. But this also depends on the type of Firewire card you have on your PC. From what i have read, firewire is going to be fazed out in the future.

    Cj

    Thanks Cj
    That's what I wanted to know

     
     
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    Re:Audio interface question about USB 3.0 (conflicts and windows conflicts-Just 2 2013/01/03 21:46:55 (permalink)
    I use a quad capture on an hp laptop thru a usb 3.0 port - asio, 96 samples, no problems. If I'm pushing it I turn off wireless.

    On my DAW I use firewire (audiofire4) - it's running asio, 96 samples as well, but no wireless.

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    Re:Audio interface question about USB 3.0 (conflicts and windows conflicts-Just 2 2013/01/03 22:15:39 (permalink)
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    I use a quad capture on an hp laptop thru a usb 3.0 port - asio, 96 samples, no problems. If I'm pushing it I turn off wireless.

    On my DAW I use firewire (audiofire4) - it's running asio, 96 samples as well, but no wireless.

    I really am torn between the roland and the MOTU-I need, well want, the many i\o' so I am pulling my hair out between the OCtacapture and the MOTU Ultralite HYbrid MK3. The MOTU is $100+ cheaper and reads much better than the Octacapture. I mean feature wise. Both read nice that way actually. But the USB 3.0 ports on my Asus N56VM scare me with the Roland. I need to sstop reading reviews :-) MOTU actually has a FW upgrade for all it;s USB units to make them more compatable with Windows USB 3.0 ports Roland seems to not care. What a surprise. I wouldlike to have something for the weekend so I have until tomorrow morning to order. I use Amazon-the return policy alone makes it worth it plus I have the prime shipping $399 one day service.
     
    That's on either unit. The only reason I don't just jump on the MOTU is because MOTU just seems more Mac oriented to me-dumb I know. Helllllppppppppp mmmmmeeeeeee :-)
     
     

     
     
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    Re:Audio interface question about USB 3.0 (conflicts and windows conflicts-Just 2 2013/01/04 08:26:57 (permalink)
    Well, Just ordered the Roland OCtacapture. Got it for $560. $100 promotion was applied at Amazon, not sure if it was Roland or Amazon-I will have it Saturday
     
    Thanks for all the help with this guys. Greatly appreciated

     
     
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    Re:Audio interface question about USB 3.0 (conflicts and windows conflicts-Just 2 2013/01/05 13:40:23 (permalink)
    Let us know how it works out.

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    Re:Audio interface question about USB 3.0 (conflicts and windows conflicts-Just 2 2013/01/05 14:30:35 (permalink)
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    Let us know how it works out.


    I definitely will-thanks for your post about the USB 3.0 and the Quad

     
     
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