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Audio interfaces with Sonar X3

Hi all - I may be in the market for a new audio interface (my current one is pretty old - although it is very good quality).
My goal is to capture high-quality mic'ed audio into Sonar X3.
Recommendations?
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    Re: Audio interfaces with Sonar X3 2014/09/24 12:35:39 (permalink)
    How many mics at once? That info will significantly affect recommendations as well as price of course.
     
    For 16 - 24 I can highly recommend the Allen & Heath ZED-R16 but that is also a full blown mixer which might be overkill depending on your setup and needs.
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    Re: Audio interfaces with Sonar X3 2014/09/24 13:47:49 (permalink)
    TASCAM's UH-7000 has fabulous audio specs and mic pres. Downside: Only two mic inputs, no guitar DI, costs about $600. Interestingly there's a five-star review on the Sweetwater product page that specifically mentions using it with Sonar X3 Producer.

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    Re: Audio interfaces with Sonar X3 2014/09/24 14:24:04 (permalink)
    I picked up a RME FireFace UFX and am absolutely loving it. Previously I had a. RME FireFace 800 which was great too.

    I honestly can't think of anything better (bang for the buck) than the RME FireFace UFX.

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    Re: Audio interfaces with Sonar X3 2014/09/24 14:27:33 (permalink)
    I can... Focusrite Forte... Exquisite, less money...mic pres are heavenly...

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    Re: Audio interfaces with Sonar X3 2014/09/24 15:19:21 (permalink)
    Very happy with Motu Ultralite - clean, easy to use, rugged, portable.

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    Re: Audio interfaces with Sonar X3 2014/09/24 15:25:23 (permalink)
    Wow! Lotsa choices - thanks for the suggestions.
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    Re: Audio interfaces with Sonar X3 2014/09/24 16:09:12 (permalink)
    Focusrite definitely makes some nice mic pres.
     
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    Re: Audio interfaces with Sonar X3 2014/09/24 16:25:00 (permalink)
     Are there any brand name audio interfaces currently sold with bad drivers and poor quality mic pres?
      I can recommend the Focusrite Pro 40 because I have one and it works good. 
      I bet if I had a Personus or Tascam, I could do the same. 
      I moved to Focusrite from an E-Mu 1820m do to a lack of current driver support.
      The biggest thing that I miss from the E-Mu is the on-board effects. It was easy to set up a comfort reverb for a singers headphones at low latency. 
       That may be something that you want to consider.
     

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    Re: Audio interfaces with Sonar X3 2014/09/24 16:27:21 (permalink)
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    I can... Focusrite Forte... Exquisite, less money...mic pres are heavenly...




    I am not sure that comparing the Focusrite Forte and the FireFace UFX is the right thing to do. They appear to be completely different interfaces meant for different use. Have you seen the feature set on the UFX? I am sure the Pres on the Forte are excellent, but I think bang for the buck, the number of ins and outs, and overall feature set would weigh in favor of the UFX. Just an opinion as I have not had personal experience with the Forte. But the UFX has delivered solidly for my very demanding commercial clients and has not let me down.
     
    I record live acoustic drum sets along with real amps all at the same time so for me, I need a lot of ins and outs. The UFX has been a dream, handing all that with no problem, allowing me to send independent headphone mixes to each musician while I monitor my own unique mix. I am unaware if the Forte has that capability.

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    Re: Audio interfaces with Sonar X3 2014/09/24 16:30:27 (permalink)
    The UFX can also use DSP FX busses for zero latency monitoring with FX like reverb and delay. You can also use DSP compression and EQ for monitoring on any channel or inject it directly into the recording chain.
     

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    Re: Audio interfaces with Sonar X3 2014/09/24 21:07:09 (permalink)
    Focusrite 18i20 gets my recommendation for best bang for the buck. Lots of I/0, 8 awesome sounding mic pres, HiZ input for guitar and bass, 2 separate headphone sends and mix control software. Oh yeah and rock solid stability with Sonar X3 Producer. Not a single hiccup since I've had it.

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    Re: Audio interfaces with Sonar X3 2014/09/25 00:30:35 (permalink)
    Yes, it depends.  More inputs and/or outputs mean more money; less inputs and outs for the same price (usually) means higher quality.  I got the Tascam and it has really great converters, I could hear some difference w/ my TC Konnekt 48.  But the preamps really shine. Much better than the TC built-ins or any built-ins I've heard.  I usually use RND Portico or Warm Audios here at home - the Tascams were as good, just different, which is saying something.  They don't crap out and have enough gain and are very clean.  The 7000 has all the limitations Craig talks about and no inserts or midi.  But if you just want a stereo in/out and record acoustics, you are set to go.
     
    But if you need more ins/outs, you aren't really missing out on too much quality.  It is there, not so much in conversion (you really have to be finicky to spend $600 on converters - there ain't that much difference), but in the preamps.  A good preamp is worth having, esp. one w/ transformers if all your others are IC.  But again, not necessary if you don't stress the built-ins.  I've heard/made plenty of nice sounding songs w/ a very basic interface.  If you need 8 channels you can get one of many models for about the same price as the Tascam (or Forté or RME or Audient) and do drums until the cows come home.  The room and the playing and the mics and arrangement will have a bigger impact on sound quality than conversion, or even preamps. 
     
    What is nice about the Audient and RME is you can add 8 channels via ADAT.  So if you need more I/O you can add that in the future and still get the "premium" package today.
     
    It just doesn't depend upon the money you want to spend anymore, it depends upon what you want to record.  I went for the Tascam 'cause I don't use more than stereo, and if I do, I can use the TCK 48.

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    Re: Audio interfaces with Sonar X3 2014/09/25 00:34:28 (permalink)
    The first question is, what is your budget?
    Second question, how many inputs do you need?
     

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    Re: Audio interfaces with Sonar X3 2014/09/25 01:41:01 (permalink)
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    Re: Audio interfaces with Sonar X3 2014/09/25 23:33:15 (permalink)
    focusrite IMO, best pres' great sound and easy to work with.
    not only that but they are on top of their drivers constantly.
     
    watch out for the audiobox, you get what you pay for.

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    Re: Audio interfaces with Sonar X3 2014/09/25 23:48:47 (permalink)
    I own the Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 and it's fine for the price point, I bought it for the good drivers. But I find the pre amps are way to touchy. Almost respond in a sluggish kinda way. Very hard to get levels perfect so you have to compromise and turn it down more than I'm used to with other pre's.  I think my Tascam us1641 has more robust pres.  So there you go, to each there own. 
    I also use a Yamaha 01V ( the original) , via the SPDIF  which works much better than straight into the Scarlett. Not sure if Focusrite uses the same pre amps on all it's interfaces. 
    That Tascam UH 7000 does look very appealing for what I do.  

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    Re: Audio interfaces with Sonar X3 2014/09/26 01:34:30 (permalink)
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    I can... Focusrite Forte... Exquisite, less money...mic pres are heavenly...




    I am not sure that comparing the Focusrite Forte and the FireFace UFX is the right thing to do. They appear to be completely different interfaces meant for different use. Have you seen the feature set on the UFX? I am sure the Pres on the Forte are excellent, but I think bang for the buck, the number of ins and outs, and overall feature set would weigh in favor of the UFX. Just an opinion as I have not had personal experience with the Forte. But the UFX has delivered solidly for my very demanding commercial clients and has not let me down.
     
    I record live acoustic drum sets along with real amps all at the same time so for me, I need a lot of ins and outs. The UFX has been a dream, handing all that with no problem, allowing me to send independent headphone mixes to each musician while I monitor my own unique mix. I am unaware if the Forte has that capability.


    Which I guess gets back to the queries of many... what ins/outs/needs does pdarg have...
    Mine are very basic... solo songwriter, do all my own music/vocals, and dumped all my outboard gear (into my basement) years ago...
     
    We operate in different realms, but after owning many relatively high end pieces, the Forte is bliss... awesome vocal capture, amazing DI for bass/drums, and elegantly simple... blows the doors off my ole emu/saffire pro24dsp, and a few others.
     
    On first reading, I felt pdarg's needs might be similar... however, who really knows as he has been hyjacked by the Scook/Alex invasion force...

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    Re: Audio interfaces with Sonar X3 2014/09/26 13:52:30 (permalink)
    Hi. I have an rme ucx. I got a price of 6 or 7 hundred less than list, so shop around. Advertised price doesn't fluctuate much.

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    Re: Audio interfaces with Sonar X3 2014/09/26 14:06:43 (permalink)
    An "open" question asking about audio interfaces is akin to asking about religion! To be honest, it is better to research on 1) your price point and 2) you I/O needs first, then narrow that down to a select few and ask. As for me, Focusrite has a feature that they should market, which is ASIO aggregation (meaning multiple devices can use it at the same time). To be honest, I am not sure if they are "best" (and honestly do not care anymore), since I can run multiple programs through my Saffire at the same time... no issues, no crashing. The MixControl is nice (once you understand it), but being able to seamlessly run several programs (SONAR, Melodyne stand-alone, Audition, etc.) through the Saffire has sold me on them for life. (The Scarlett line is the USB version of the Saffire, which is FireWire).
     
    I totally admit that I am a "fanboi" of them now, but the "shock" of ASIO aggregation was such a pleasant surprise that I will not forget the experience.
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    Re: Audio interfaces with Sonar X3 2014/09/26 14:27:34 (permalink)
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    Focusrite definitely makes some nice mic pres.
     
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    Ditto on Focusrite...after nearly five years, my Saffire Pro 40 does not seem outdated at all. It's completely transparent and I don't think about it much

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    Re: Audio interfaces with Sonar X3 2014/09/26 23:29:55 (permalink)
    My point on the Forte is that it is a serious cut above the other 2 focusrite pro24 dsp units I've had... was totally happy with them till I ramped up the Forte...based on cclary's post about it when he got one... the experimental/(next gen?) rednet pres are...well I never enjoyed singing so much... while it's way more limited (ins/outs), it totally suits my needs and is the perfect mate to my CAD E100S mic, which is all I use anymore... now if I needed ooodles of ins/outs/other, don't really know what I'd do these days as I'm so spoiled with the Forte  

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    Re: Audio interfaces with Sonar X3 2014/09/27 00:32:40 (permalink)
    I am currently using an EMU 1820m, with 1616 beta drivers, windows 8.1, all updates.
    Works fine.
     
    If I had to get something new now, as recently I thought I would be compelled, though obviated by replacing some unhappy capacitors, I would get a Focusrite Scarlett 18i20, cuz I need the ADAT bits.  ($500)
     
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    Re: Audio interfaces with Sonar X3 2014/10/06 13:47:10 (permalink)
     Hi
    i also need new USB Interface and Focusrite Scarlet makes good reading.
     
    Has my EMU 0404 usb had It's day with I7 computer and Win 7 64???????????????????????
    I get skipping when using soft Synths and midi triggering my Tyros 5 keyboard in same project.Still has beta drivers.
     
    Play soft synths and midi projects separately and they are ok  WEIRD!!
     
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    Re: Audio interfaces with Sonar X3 2014/10/06 13:57:59 (permalink)
    Dropped MIDI notes may be too small a "Prepare Using nnn Millisecond Buffers" setting in Preferences > MIDI > Playback and Recording. Try increasing from 250 to 500 or 750.
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    Re: Audio interfaces with Sonar X3 2014/10/07 14:29:44 (permalink)
    Roland Octa-Capture. Good preamps and flexible I/O
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    Re: Audio interfaces with Sonar X3 2014/10/08 13:30:54 (permalink)
    +1 on the Focusrite Saffire Pro 40.

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    Re: Audio interfaces with Sonar X3 2014/10/08 14:07:26 (permalink)
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     Hi
    i also need new USB Interface and Focusrite Scarlet makes good reading.
     
    Has my EMU 0404 usb had It's day with I7 computer and Win 7 64???????????????????????
    I get skipping when using soft Synths and midi triggering my Tyros 5 keyboard in same project.Still has beta drivers.
     
    Play soft synths and midi projects separately and they are ok  WEIRD!!
     
    All the best
    John


    Try scooks suggestion first.
    But I'm afraid support for the trusty 0404 is a thing of the past. Too bad, because it was a great little card.
    Before you spring for a Scarlett, check out this gem.
    http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/EIEPro/
    It's a tank, and it does some stuff the Scarlett doesn't do. I'm very pleased with it.
    Disregard early reviews. The current drivers corrected initial problems with the unit.

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    Re: Audio interfaces with Sonar X3 2014/10/08 14:28:53 (permalink)
    two cents worth - I was disappointed with the audio quality of the one Sapphire that I tried. Wasn't my studio, so that could have been a factor. Several folks that I respect say that the new Tascam is awesome. If I had not already pulled the trigger on the Presonus 1818VSL I'd probably be torn.
     
    As it is, I am quite happy with the 1818VSL. My reasons for selecting it are not terribly scientific, but if you are curious - first, I know one of the engineers that worked on the 1818VSL, I worked with him at M-Audio and I trust him to do a great job. Second, I was looking for almost the exact feature set - 8x8 analog audio, 1 or more lightpipe, 1 or more S/P-DIF, and at least 1x1 MIDI. At the time I did not expect to need the front panel controls and headphone jack, but I may end up mounting this nearby.
     
    My first choice was the UAD Apollo Quad, but that was out of reach this time around. When I get it I will keep the 1818VSL as my mobile interface... unless something better comes along<G>!
     
    So set your budget first, set your requirements second, if they don't match start again. Audio quality is so good on all but the bottom of the barrel that it comes down to degrees of difference, or maybe even just personal taste. So if you can, listen to the candidates. And of course ask here and elsewhere about drivers and support.
     
    Hard to get the best, almost as hard to go wrong... so my goal was to avoid going wrong, and stop worrying about the best... at least until the meds wear off!

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    Re: Audio interfaces with Sonar X3 2014/10/08 16:03:05 (permalink)
    +1 on Octa Capture.  
    (Used to trumpet the cakewalk roland relationship, but that did not last long !)

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