Sh4rkey
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Audio playback is slow - solution?
Hi I've been using Cakewalk for a long time, but now running Sonar Producer 8.5 using windows 7 and M-audio audiophile 2495 soundcard. I've recorded a number of midi tracks and then recorded an instrument using a usb mic. Everything seemed to be working fine, but on playback the audio begins to lose pace with the midi and gets to about 1 second behind time. I did a web search and found that the bit-rate settings on the sound card and in Sonar might not be the same. I've checked this out and I think I'm looking in the right place in Sonar, but they are both the same (I think!). Any thoughts or ideas what I might try? Am I too late to fix it once the audio is recorded? By the way, the 'clock source' in the metronome settings defaults to 'Audio'. Is that right? Thanks
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Chappel
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Re:Audio playback is slow - solution?
2011/05/21 16:08:46
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What is the project's Sample rate? It should be the same as the Sample rate the microphone uses. What microphone are you using?
To see, and change, the Sample rate Sonar is using go to Options>Audio>General Tab.
Do you also have any other audio devices besides your microphone and M-Audio devices enabled in Options>Audio>Drivers tab? Like an internal soundcard or integrated sound (built into the motherboard) audio device? If yes, I suggest disabling those within Sonar. If you're using multiple audio devices you want to use as few as possible and only the ones you are actually using to avoid conflicts like the one you are experiencing now.
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daveny5
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Re:Audio playback is slow - solution?
2011/05/21 16:22:45
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Computer specs?
You should not have to correct any timing. If you have it set up right, it should be like using a multi-track tape recorder only 1000 times better.
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Sh4rkey
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Re:Audio playback is slow - solution?
2011/05/21 16:32:33
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Hi, thanks for replying to this question.
The mic and audio in Sonar are both set at 16bit 44100Hz. I'm using a Samson C01U USB mic. It's the first time I've used a USB mic with this program, now I think of it. I hadn't thought of checking that the bit and sample rates matched and to be honest I might have matched these in my mucking about trying to solve the problem AFTER I had recorded the audio. There is an integrated soundcard on the motherboard but I've disabled that in Sonar a while back.
Options - audio - drivers shows only my audiophile sound card and the Samson mic.
What about the metronome setting? What should that be set to if I'm predominantly using MIDI with a couple of audio tracks? Thanks again.
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Sh4rkey
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Re:Audio playback is slow - solution?
2011/05/21 16:34:49
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Thanks, Daveny5. I've not had this problem before despite muchas recording. The new finger in the pie is my USB mic. I hadn't thought of checking that it's settings matched the bit rate/sampling settings in Sonar. That might have been the problem. Thanks for replying.
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Chappel
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Re:Audio playback is slow - solution?
2011/05/21 16:55:18
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The Audio/Midi metronome setting determines whether the metronome plays an audio click or sends a midi note so an external Midi instrument plays the metronome's sound. If you use the Midi metronome you won't hear it unless you have a synth/Midi module connected to your computer to play it. Also, make sure the M-Audio device is the Playback Timing Master and the Record Timing Master in Options>Audio>General tab.
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daveny5
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Re:Audio playback is slow - solution?
2011/05/21 17:00:22
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The problem is the USB microphone. Windows treats them like another soundcard and you should not use more than one soundcard with Sonar. That is the problem.
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Sh4rkey
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Re:Audio playback is slow - solution?
2011/05/21 17:04:23
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Yes, I use the midi metronome a lot for recording from a midi keyboard, but, when I've got a mixture of midi and audio tracks and I'm now editing, should the 'clock' (options - project-clock) be set to internal, SMPTE or audio? It seems to keep defaulting back to audio. Does this matter?
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Sh4rkey
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Re:Audio playback is slow - solution?
2011/05/21 17:05:38
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That makes sense. Oh well, I'll have to ask my violinist friend to come back and use another mic! Thanks.
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Chappel
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Re:Audio playback is slow - solution?
2011/05/21 17:20:08
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Sh4rkey
Yes, I use the midi metronome a lot for recording from a midi keyboard, but, when I've got a mixture of midi and audio tracks and I'm now editing, should the 'clock' (options - project-clock) be set to internal, SMPTE or audio? It seems to keep defaulting back to audio. Does this matter?
I found this in the Help file. It may answer your question: "When the clock source is set to Internal, SONAR uses the clock built into the computer or the computer’s MIDI interface as its timing source. If your projects contain only MIDI (no audio), this is the most efficient method of playback. If your projects contain MIDI and audio, or only audio, you should set the clock source to Audio. This lets the sound card clock determine the correct speed for audio playback and automatically synchronizes MIDI playback to match the audio. For more information, see System Configuration."
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Sh4rkey
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Re:Audio playback is slow - solution?
2011/05/21 18:14:04
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@Chappel. Thanks, I should have found that myself. I think the USB mic is probably the problem. That was the only alteration to what I've successfully done before. We live and learn.
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Re:Audio playback is slow - solution?
2011/05/21 18:31:53
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ya i double daveys voice..the usb microphones..who invented that idea?..sampson should ne ashamed.they make a great mic.but it really confuses the soundcards
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Sh4rkey
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Re:Audio playback is slow - solution?
2011/05/21 18:40:24
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You're right, it's a super mic, but I didn't know about the soundcard confusion thing, nor did I realise I had to check the bit and sample rate of the mic - but, it makes sense now. I only used it because I couldn't get any sound through the dynamic mic I normally use. That's tomorrow's problem to fix. Thanks for your input.
chuckebaby
ya i double daveys voice..the usb microphones..who invented that idea?..sampson should ne ashamed.they make a great mic.but it really confuses the soundcards
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Re:Audio playback is slow - solution?
2011/05/21 23:10:27
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Since the mic is emulating another soundcard every precaution for that has to be taken.
It will work but as said already, look to that sync source is the mic soundcard while recording. Then Sonar will sync to that and whatever difference you will notice like if samplerate is different.
Even when samplerate is set to the same, there is always tiny differences in clock, so setting sync to right source is crucial to avoid clicks and pops.
Anyway you probably got it figured out by now....
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