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2010/12/12 11:41:34 (permalink)

Audio problems with Session Drummer 3

So I've looked on the forum and found similar posts but, no luck here. I've tried to insert SD3 into the synth rack as a simple instrument and as midi source, synth track folder, first synth audio output with the same result. What is hapenning is when I select a kit from SD3, I can hit the pads and hear the resulting audio. As soon as I go to my track view and play a midi sequence, I can see the meter move on the midi drum track but get no audio output from SD 3. If I go back to SD3, now I can't hear the audio when I hit the pads. It will come back when I re-select the drum kit but, when I go back to the track view the same thing happens. No audio output from SD3. I have never had this problem before and been using Cakewalk since the Pro Audio days so I'm not exactly a newbie. Any ideas??

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Re:Audio problems with Session Drummer 3 2010/12/12 12:09:05 (permalink)
The only way I can replicate your problem is by muting the clip. And Instrument tracks are pretty hard to screw up. If you can hear the samples by by clicking a drum in the kit you should be able to hear the clip play. Hmmmm. When you insert the synth as a simple instrument track, are you checking only that button, with no other options? Other than opening the synth properties?

If the midi data wasn't getting to the soft synth that would cause your problem so using just an instrument track, with no other tracks involved, should work. Again, hmmmmm.
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Re:Audio problems with Session Drummer 3 2010/12/12 12:31:33 (permalink)
Yes, long hmmmmmm. When inserting the synth I'm only checking simple instrument and synth properties. Like you said, it seems the midi data doesn't get through to the soft synth. If I try it with TTS-1, it works fine. Just not with SD3.

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Re:Audio problems with Session Drummer 3 2010/12/12 12:38:34 (permalink)
Tell me more about this Midi sequence the synth won't play. Did you compose it yourself? If the notes are too high, or too low, they won't trigger any drums. In the PRV of the Instrument Track, can you hear sounds when entering them there?
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Re:Audio problems with Session Drummer 3 2010/12/12 12:50:39 (permalink)
No, it's a midi file I downloaded but as I said it plays in TTS-1 and as fara as I know the notes are not too high and correspond to the correct instruments.

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Re:Audio problems with Session Drummer 3 2010/12/12 13:01:41 (permalink)
tcannnon


No, it's a midi file I downloaded but as I said it plays in TTS-1 and as far as I know the notes are not too high and correspond to the correct instruments.


The I suggest looking at the Event List for the track and see if there is anything in there other than NOTE events.

Also check the Sysx (system exclusive) view for that track to see if there is anything in there. Midi files you find on the web are made for GM modules and SD3 isn't a GM module.

If the Midi tracks are sending data to the soft synth that it can't process it might be gumming up the works. Many Midi files have things embedded in them that you can't see unless you look for it.

Can you hear the sounds when you enter notes in the drum track's PRV?
post edited by Chappel - 2010/12/12 13:06:37
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Re:Audio problems with Session Drummer 3 2010/12/12 13:31:34 (permalink)
Thanks, you were right. The other events were "gumming" it up. I have seen that before but, it's been awhile since I've used someone elses midi file. Thanks for the reminder!!!
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Re:Audio problems with Session Drummer 3 2010/12/12 13:42:18 (permalink)
Cool. I'm glad I could help.
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Re:Audio problems with Session Drummer 3 2011/01/04 19:59:27 (permalink)
I'm having just about the exact same issue.

Using Sonar X1 with X1a patch, 64 bit.  Line 6 Toneport ASIO audio drivers (current).

When I insert SD from track template (only way I can find to insert it), it inserts all the tracks, routing looks right.  When I click the drums in the synth, I get sound and the appropriate track and bus meters move.  When I play a pattern from within the synth, I get sound and proper meters again.  When I drag a clip directly from session drummer into the midi track that opens with all the other tracks and hit play in my project, only the meter from the midi track moves, and I get no sound.  When I go to output settings of the midi track, the only option is SD3 which is selected.

If I then close the project without saving (trying to get rid of SD3) and open a new project, SD3 isn't even an option to insert.  I have to completely close Sonar and reopen.  I'm completely in love with the track templates because they do all the tedious routing, but being able to drag grooves from SD3 into a midi track would be helpful .  I didn't have this issue on 8.5.  Any suggestions at all?
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Re:Audio problems with Session Drummer 3 2011/01/04 20:37:12 (permalink)
Starting to get to the bottom of this.

SD3 does not show up as a VST instrument in plugin manager.  When I go to plugin manager and point it to the folder on my hard drive that contains SD (including the .dll) and re-scan, it still does not include SD in the VST instruments.  This would explain why I'm able to insert through the track templates, but not through insert soft synth.  Where should the .dll reside in order for Sonar to recognize it during a scan?  Also, I pointed it to the program files version (64 bit) and not the program files x86 (32 bit version).  I'm definitely on windows 7 64 bit.  Please help.
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Re:Audio problems with Session Drummer 3 2011/01/04 21:13:53 (permalink)
Never mind, I got it.  Needed to re-scan existing plugins.  Why, I have no idea, but it worked.
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Re:Audio problems with Session Drummer 3 2011/01/04 21:21:07 (permalink)
And now my meters are all frozen ROFL.  I freakin give up
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Re:Audio problems with Session Drummer 3 2018/09/29 17:31:26 (permalink)
I'm also having audio problems with Session Drummer 3.  I was using SI-Drum Kit and this works fine but I changed to Session Drummer 3 as I wanted to route each part of the kit to a different track and you can't do this with SI-Drum Kit. 
 
I have loaded Session Drummer as a Soft Synth and each part of the kit is assigned to a different track.  When I play the kit within Session Drummer I can hear the output and the metres within Cakewalk show that sound is registered but after dragging and dropping a beat into Cakewalk, when I play the track I can't hear the drums.  I have all the drum tracks output to a Drum Bus and the output for the bus is the Master which is the same as same as my guitar and vocal tracks which I can hear ok. 
 
What am I doing wrong?!
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Re:Audio problems with Session Drummer 3 2018/09/29 18:05:38 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby revolver9 2018/09/30 13:49:23
See post #6 that solved the OP's problem. Likely the same issue in your case if the 'beat' is a 3rd-party MIDI file.

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Re:Audio problems with Session Drummer 3 2018/09/30 12:47:04 (permalink)
Thanks for responding brundlefly.  I don't think the "beat" is a 3rd party MIDI file, it's just something from Session Drummer and I've tried various other kits and beats.  I've now discovered that if I load Session Drummer as a Simple Instrument Track then it's fine but the problem is if I load it as All Synth Audio Outputs.  The Piano Roll View shows nothing but with Simple Instrument Track it shows the beats as expected.  I'm stumped. Any ideas?
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Re:Audio problems with Session Drummer 3 2018/09/30 13:02:37 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby revolver9 2018/09/30 13:49:12
The piano roll shows the data in an instrument or a MIDI track.
 
When selecting "All Synth Audio Output: Stereo", did you also select MIDI Source?
 
Without a MIDI track, the synth will still audition MIDI clips in the plug-in UI and it is possible to drag MIDI clips into an audio track but they will not play.
 
MIDI clips must be added to an instrument or MIDI track.
 
Usually when working with multi-output synths instrument tracks are not used. Instead when inserting a multi-output synth "MIDI Source" and one of the multiple Audio output options are selected. It may be helpful to check the "Synth Track Folder" option too so all the tracks for the synth are organized into a folder.
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Re:Audio problems with Session Drummer 3 2018/09/30 13:49:03 (permalink)
Scook, that was the problem.  I had no MIDI track!  Thanks for your help.
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