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Re:Audio to Midi with drums VIDEO:
2013/03/01 16:22:03
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Awesome Danny!! Thanks for making this so simple. Any ideas for isolating the hats when they are only in the OH's?
Rocky
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Re:Audio to Midi with drums VIDEO:
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bluzdog
Awesome Danny!! Thanks for making this so simple. Any ideas for isolating the hats when they are only in the OH's?
Rocky
You could probably just set the OH track's edit filter to Transients and manually disable the transient markers whenever there is a cymbal or tom hit before bouncing to MIDI or just leave all the transients in and delete/move the MIDI notes around in the PRV like Danny did in the vid. Or maybe you could use R-Mix to remove all the other kit pieces leaving the hats, bounce the clip then apply Danny's method. Not sure how well that would work though.
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Re:Audio to Midi with drums VIDEO:
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Hi Rocky,
Thanks and you're welcome. :) Well to be honest with ya man, I've never been in a situation (other than one time in all my years) where hats were not an entity, so to speak. In all the drum programs I've ever used as well as when I mic my own kits, there is ALWAYS an independent hat mic. I also like to mic my ride and would never just let it end up in the OH's.
But to answer your question, I would treat it like I would IF I was handed a track from someone that had all the hats and cymbals in one track.
For example, I had a client send me a track that had toms, hats and crashes/ride all in a two-track stereo file. This of course, was a nightmare but it was all he could do in his situation.
So what I did was, I cut the clip up in sections and then would slide it down into it's own track and label it. So if he was hitting the hats in a section, I'd split the clip on both ends and isolate the hats. Put it on it's own track and then use the Sonitus Gate (or PC gate or whatever else you want to use) to control the bleed of other instruments in that track IF I needed to. As you know, I'd need to eq the hat track here, so the instruments behind the hats might not sound too good. So I might have to gate them out or eq them out.
I'd do the rest of that track the same way until I cut up all the instruments in it and made them their own track. From there, if I wanted to Audio Snap them and turn them into midi files, at least it would be a bit easier to grab the transients, know what I mean? From there if some of the instrumentation did get through to where it was giving me ghosty notes via midi, we could literally use Audio Snap's threshold (which I didn't use in my vid and that's what Beeps and Zonno were talking about) which would allow or refuse the additional transients that might turn up. So that there is a good example on when you would use the threshold in AS.
So if you find you are in a position where your hats are in the OH track, split that baby up and isolate the hats before you do this trick. And of course if need be, you may have to mess with AS threshold to make sure only the notes you want are the notes you get. Hope this helps. :)
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Re:Audio to Midi with drums VIDEO:
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Another option that might be faster is to grab a mic setup an audio track for recording and record the transients for the hats. Just tap the mic with a finger (or however you want to do it) in sync with the hats. This will lay down the transients for the hats, and you can then use AS to convert to midi.
Doing it this way is only about 5 or so minutes worth of work.
Another option, is to plug in a guitar, or bass and play in sync with the hats. Either way it works. All you need are trasients that sync with the hats. However you choose to do that is up to you.
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Re:Audio to Midi with drums VIDEO:
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Yanno... this got me thinking about some kind of Audio Snap frequency/stereo field based threshold setting. As far as I know we are limited to using that threshold control to only snag transients above a certain volume level. What would be cool is if you could have a max threshold too like in reverse so if something went ABOVE that level the transient wouldn't be enabled. Then to take it further make it detect things based on pan or frequency.
Wouldn't that be cool? Considering what that R-Mix and other similar plugs can do this should be possible. Maybe even have a similar graphical interface like R-Mix to hone in on stuff.
hmm...
Just rambling... as usual. ;-)
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Re:Audio to Midi with drums VIDEO:
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Nice video Danny. As always, very informative. I haven't seen one yours in a while and I have to say. I miss that joisey accent. Although, your better at hiding it. ;-)
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Re:Audio to Midi with drums VIDEO:
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Re:Audio to Midi with drums VIDEO:
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Great video Danny. Thanks for posting. I have some old recordings I will def be revisiting now.
I browsed around a bit and found a video of you playing guitar....AMAZING !!! WOW!!! Very cool!
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Re:Audio to Midi with drums VIDEO:
2013/03/01 20:40:22
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Robert: thanks! Hahah yeah been a while eh? When I started doing those other videos we used to do on 6sh, I don't even think I had Camtasia. Hahaha! Hope all is well bro.
mmorgan: haha had a feeling you'd get a kick out of that...I soo had to share it. :)
Tracey: Thanks! Glad you liked it. And thanks for the guitar vid props. I don't do a whole lot of those, but there are a few floating around here and there. I appreciate the kind words. :)
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Re:Audio to Midi with drums VIDEO:
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Danny Danzi
Hi Rocky,
Thanks and you're welcome. :) Well to be honest with ya man, I've never been in a situation (other than one time in all my years) where hats were not an entity, so to speak. In all the drum programs I've ever used as well as when I mic my own kits, there is ALWAYS an independent hat mic. I also like to mic my ride and would never just let it end up in the OH's.
But to answer your question, I would treat it like I would IF I was handed a track from someone that had all the hats and cymbals in one track.
For example, I had a client send me a track that had toms, hats and crashes/ride all in a two-track stereo file. This of course, was a nightmare but it was all he could do in his situation.
So what I did was, I cut the clip up in sections and then would slide it down into it's own track and label it. So if he was hitting the hats in a section, I'd split the clip on both ends and isolate the hats. Put it on it's own track and then use the Sonitus Gate (or PC gate or whatever else you want to use) to control the bleed of other instruments in that track IF I needed to. As you know, I'd need to eq the hat track here, so the instruments behind the hats might not sound too good. So I might have to gate them out or eq them out.
I'd do the rest of that track the same way until I cut up all the instruments in it and made them their own track. From there, if I wanted to Audio Snap them and turn them into midi files, at least it would be a bit easier to grab the transients, know what I mean? From there if some of the instrumentation did get through to where it was giving me ghosty notes via midi, we could literally use Audio Snap's threshold (which I didn't use in my vid and that's what Beeps and Zonno were talking about) which would allow or refuse the additional transients that might turn up. So that there is a good example on when you would use the threshold in AS.
So if you find you are in a position where your hats are in the OH track, split that baby up and isolate the hats before you do this trick. And of course if need be, you may have to mess with AS threshold to make sure only the notes you want are the notes you get. Hope this helps. :)
-Danny
Danny, I will definitely give it a go. I've been using Slate Digital Trigger for kick, snare toms and living with my overheads. The room isn't too bad. It would be nice to supplement the hh and cymbals. I think AudioSnap is better at the midi thing than SDT. I should give Melodyne a spin too. It may be able to pull off the isolation. Thanks for all of the suggestions. I'm gonna remix something to check it out. Thanks again. Rocky
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Re:Audio to Midi with drums VIDEO:
2013/03/01 20:54:55
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Thanks Danny! Dl'd and put on my DAW computer for future reference! I'm actually going to be doing some live drum recording in the near future and this will come in really handy.
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Re:Audio to Midi with drums VIDEO:
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Great stuff, Danny. If you have any other vids you might want to share, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again! BTW, love your style!
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Re:Audio to Midi with drums VIDEO:
2013/03/02 14:52:28
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Thanks guys! I'll look at some of my stuff and see what else I can share sometime over the weekend. Most of these will be older and probably really rough, but I think you'll still enjoy them. I'll see what I got and post them up. :)
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Re:Audio to Midi with drums VIDEO:
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Ya mentioned making a mixing rock series downstairs. I'd be all over that from your perspective. In fact that would be worth forking over cash for. Personally though I prefer text volumes as opposed to vids for that type of thing. I just end up typing everything up anyway.
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Re:Audio to Midi with drums VIDEO:
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That's where we do a custom vid Beeps on something YOU have done to one of your mixes so you see how to fix it as well as some techniques along the way. :) Since you did that theory work for me, I'd give you a slamming deal on something like that if you ever decided to. Something to think about. It's better that way because everyone's views on rock/metal are different. I've heard Led Zep called metal when you know they definitely aren't, yet I can understand how some might say that.
So a rock vid has lots of variables. It's best to make the perfect rock/metal vid for someone, and that's where the custom vid can be so helpful. It either deals with your actual project, or I can load up one of mine and use it as a test subject. The problem with using mine, they are recorded properly....so there's usually no surgery needed. But we can borrow the techniques used on them if there was anything you specifically needed to learn. Something for us to discuss a bit more. Send me an email with a few possibilities and I'll see what we can work out. I'll make ya an offer you won't refuse. :)
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Re:Audio to Midi with drums VIDEO:
2013/03/02 15:28:53
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I just wanna say great work Danny.
And very nice of you to share your knowledge with the this community in this way.
Best regards,
Mike
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Re:Audio to Midi with drums VIDEO:
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Oh yeah, buddy. I got some plans that involve your mad skillz... once I'm ready though. I've still got a mountain of resources to plow through at the moment so I'm gonna keep my head down and nose to the grindstone with all that until I hit a knowledge ceiling. I'm still interested in maybe getting you do do some drum stuff for me though. I'm getting pretty good at programming drum parts but the idea of not having a live drummer on certain stuff still bugs me and you've proven your talent in that department. I'm just ticked off I can't play the darned things anymore. I was getting pretty good for a while there. Alas I'd just crumble into a pile of dust if I tried to play what I've got planned.
But yeah, man. I'm glad we met on here. One way or another we'll get something happening. Cheers.
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Re:Audio to Midi with drums VIDEO:
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Danny,great video man,great video thanks!!!
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Re:Audio to Midi with drums VIDEO:
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Mike: Thanks!
Beeps: Sounds like a plan. I too am glad we met on here. :)
Bobby: Thank you, and you're welcome. :)
Everyone else: I went through a few old vids. Some really bad quality...so I may update them. I got a pretty cool Transient Shaper vid that might be of some use to you guys. Not many know what/how to use that gem of a plug and how many different things you can use it on. So it may be pretty cool for you guys to check out. I'll have it up sometime today/tonight and am still looking through my other vids. :)
Again, thanks for the kind words and your interest in this stuff.
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Re:Audio to Midi with drums VIDEO:
2013/03/03 17:37:32
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Very cool Danziman - never really bothered with audiosnap, so nice to actually see it in action - does this apply to older versions too or just the latest x2 incarnation ? Either way, always interesting to learn something new. One of your older vids was actually the reason I decided to join these forums in the first place, so don't ever stop being you - to be honest I would rather watch this type of thing than the SWA ones I have - now there's a voice that could drive you nuts !
Keep 'em coming fella - us fools need all the help we can get.
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Re:Audio to Midi with drums VIDEO:
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paulo
Very cool Danziman - never really bothered with audiosnap, so nice to actually see it in action - does this apply to older versions too or just the latest x2 incarnation ? Either way, always interesting to learn something new. One of your older vids was actually the reason I decided to join these forums in the first place, so don't ever stop being you - to be honest I would rather watch this type of thing than the SWA ones I have - now there's a voice that could drive you nuts !
Keep 'em coming fella - us fools need all the help we can get.
Thanks Paulo! I believe it will work with older versions. As long as it has that "copy as midi" option. I never really bothered much with AS myself as it was a bit too involved for me. Wow really? One of my vids was the reason you came here? Now that's way cool to know, thanks! Hey, I can relate, we all need all the help we can get. :) Thanks again brother. -Danny
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Re:Audio to Midi with drums VIDEO:
2013/03/03 19:18:09
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Great video tutorial here. I like the way this turned out...want to see something about high gain as well sometime.... 
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Re:Audio to Midi with drums VIDEO:
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Thanks trimph....hi gain as in guitars? LOL Wait, I get it now....too funny. LOL!!! I'm a little slow tonight. :-Þ
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Re:Audio to Midi with drums VIDEO:
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Awesome work as always. You are a good teacher! Those notes with 0 velocity... I use Process/Deglitch to remove them automatically.
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Re:Audio to Midi with drums VIDEO:
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Thanks Panu. Hey, that's a cool trick! I forgot all about Deglitch! :)
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....to be honest I would rather watch this type of thing than the SWA ones I have - now there's a voice that could drive you nuts !
Trust me I've driven plenty of people nuts. Ex-wives mainly but I don't discriminate. 
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Re:Audio to Midi with drums VIDEO:
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....to be honest I would rather watch this type of thing than the SWA ones I have - now there's a voice that could drive you nuts !
Trust me I've driven plenty of people nuts. Ex-wives mainly but I don't discriminate.
At least your accent is not something out of Newcastle.....
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FastBikerBoy
....to be honest I would rather watch this type of thing than the SWA ones I have - now there's a voice that could drive you nuts !
Trust me I've driven plenty of people nuts. Ex-wives mainly but I don't discriminate.
I have heard that before, but I wasn't talking about your vids - never even seen them.
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