Auto split clips faster than by measure?

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2011/08/24 14:48:19 (permalink)

Auto split clips faster than by measure?

Hi everyone, 

I need to cut lots of audio to different musical resolution, 

I thought that in the CLIP menu, I could auto-SPLIT by any value (quarter, 1/8, 1/16, 1/128 etc..)
but it seems it's only able to cut repeatedly by measure.... (or by marker, but that does not help)

I guess this one is more of a feature request, to revamp the SPLIT menu, 

now I just wonder how you guys deal with that ? It's a tedious process to do hundreds of repetitive cuts ... 

Any help is appreciated! 

Thanks ! 

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    Re:Auto split clips faster than by measure? 2011/08/24 14:59:36 (permalink)
    Select the clip. Right click & select 'split' from the context menu. Then you can choose your options including repeatedly into the size clips you want.
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    Re:Auto split clips faster than by measure? 2011/08/24 15:01:08 (permalink)
    Ok sorry I see what you mean you want to split into smaller than measure. My bad.
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    Re:Auto split clips faster than by measure? 2011/08/24 15:02:58 (permalink)
    What's in the clip, and what's the goal?

    Audiosnap's Split Beats into Clips or Process > Apply Effect > Remove Silence with the Split option enabled may get you what you want.



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    Re:Auto split clips faster than by measure? 2011/08/24 15:34:36 (permalink)
    brundlefly


    What's in the clip, and what's the goal?

    Audiosnap's Split Beats into Clips or Process > Apply Effect > Remove Silence with the Split option enabled may get you what you want.

    Hi Brundlefly ! 


    I split pretty much anything really, mainly bounces of elements processed differently than the original tracks. 


    the audiosnap idea is a great one ! I haven't thought about it ! 

    It's been a while I've used audiosnap ... I must say it was never a very enjoyable experience, 
    long bouncing times, exporting mixdown takes forever, project RAM exploding ... 
    but if the idea implies to split beats in clips with audiosnap, then boucing back the result, (thus deactivate audiosnap), 
    I guess that would make the trick ! 

    Still .. having the possibility of doing this via the snap menu would be soo nice ;) 

    Thanks for your help ! I'll let you know how it works out ! 

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    Re:Auto split clips faster than by measure? 2011/08/24 15:53:19 (permalink)
    if the idea implies to split beats in clips with audiosnap, then boucing back the result, (thus deactivate audiosnap),  I guess that would make the trick ! 



    Actually, I was forgetting that splitting beats in AS generates all these slip-edited clips that clog up the works. You can bounce them down, but they'll all bounce back to one clip unless you select them one by one and bounce individually. A shortcut key for bounce to clips can speed this up, but it' still pretty painful. Have to think if there's a way around this, but I think I've tried to find one before and failed, which is why I ended up resorting to Remove Silence, which actually worked well, once I got the parameters dialed in. It's basically a gate with the option to discard the parts that don't open it.

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    Re:Auto split clips faster than by measure? 2011/08/24 16:14:06 (permalink)
    I just tried your suggestion! 

    Automap as I suspected, does not work, or I can't get it to work as i should, lol ! 
    still, the settings are rather simple, but since it relies on transient to split clips, 
    I have to manually set my splice point to the desired resolution, which is more time-consuming, 
    that just splitting it manually, 

    as for removing silence, it works for some percussive tracks, but not for audio content without transients. 
    and the way it chops is rather messy, 

    What I'd love is to have the similar settings for the SPLIT function, as the quantize function.
    resolution, quantize audio clip tail, swing... 

    Maybe I should place a feature request to Cakewalk then ...;) 

    Thanks ! let me know if ever you have something else in mind ... on my end .. I can't think of anything slse... 

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    Re:Auto split clips faster than by measure? 2011/08/25 03:35:59 (permalink)
    I think I got it figured:

    1. Change Edit Filter to Transients.
    2. Right-click the clip, and choose Pool > Add MBT to Pool.
    3. Disable Audiosnap on the clip (either in the Audiosnap Palette, or in Clip Properties of the Inspector.
    4. Set snap resolution to desired split resolution (Pool Markers will follow suit).
    5. Right-click the clip and choose Split Clip(s) at Audiosnap Pool.
    6. Select the track to select all the slip-edited clips.
    7. Right-click one of them, and choose Apply Trimming.

    Step 1 is only required so that you can get to the Audiosnap context menu to Add MBT to Pool. If you have another clip with AS enabled, you can use that one instead, and go straight to step 4. on the clip you're splitting

    Note that once the pool lines are showing in a project, they'll stay there and will save with the project, allowing you to create a template that already has them enabled for this purpose.

    Happy splitting! 




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    Re:Auto split clips faster than by measure? 2011/08/25 17:34:22 (permalink)
    Hi ! 

    Thanks so much for helping me out ! 

    It's almost working, actually, it's completely working, and it's absolutely brillant, and not too complicated, 
    however, there are 2 issues with this method: 

    1- it insert audiosnap markers at every 16th beat, and I don't know how to take those off (even though I have no audiosnap clips on)
    2- I get audible clicks and snaps at every split (every 16th), as if audiosnap altered the lenght of the individual clips, as if audiosnap was altering the lenght of the clips, 
    3- even if audiosnap is off, it still request to draw transients on opening the project, while there are clearly no reason to. but hopefully it does not seem to make bouncing and exporting mixes longer than usual . 

    When you tested your method, did you experience the audio crackles? 

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    Re:Auto split clips faster than by measure? 2011/08/25 19:01:05 (permalink)
    First, make sure AS is really turned off on the clip. If you go into clip properties via the inspector, and look in the Audiosnap section, the "Enable" box should be unchecked.

    Then you want to make sure you've only added MBT to Pool, and not the clip markers. And be sure you're using Split Clips(s) at Audiosnap Pool, not Split Beats as we were discussing before. Split at Pool should only split at the snap resolution.

    Did you have the resolution set at 16th? That's pretty small, but it really shouldn't be a problem. Immediately after splitting and trimming, you should hear no difference in playback, but if you start moving clips around, you may well get clicks and pops because the signal now has discontinuties at the clip boundaries. Split at Pool doesnt pay any attention to zero-crossings, and even if you split at zero-crossings, you can still get pops if the split is in an area of high amplitude.

    The best way to deal with that is to select all the clips and use Clips > Fade Clips to apply a very short fade in and fade out to every clip. 2-5ms should do the trick.



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    Re:Auto split clips faster than by measure? 2011/08/26 14:28:30 (permalink)
    Hi again ! 

    yes I just tried it again, and the method you suggested is the right one, and I followed it to the letter, 

    I discovered, that Sonar automatically adds micro-fade in/out to each clip after spltting to audiosnap. 

    this is why I have glitches to every split point, if I manually undo the fades, everything is nice, 
    but it's too bad that we can't edit all selected clip fades at once, it would have made things simpler..

    The best would have been that sonar gives us the option of having such fades or not, but the split to audiosnap has no menu or options. 

    Unless I'm missing something about the auto fades, I guess there is nothing more to do than splitting all my stuff manually like I used to ... kinda deceiving at this point ... ;) 

    Thanks a lot for your help, it really is appreciated ! 

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    Re:Auto split clips faster than by measure? 2011/08/26 15:26:20 (permalink)
    There's an AS Options button in the upper right corner of the AS Palette. In there you'll find the option for Auto Fade on Split Beats. I think it's off by default, so you must have found your way in there at some point.


    It might still be useful, but you might just need to shorten the fade length you have set.

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    Re:Auto split clips faster than by measure? 2011/08/26 16:29:18 (permalink)
    damn, you're good ! 

    I find myself a good sonar user, but I've barely tried the newest stuff like audiosnap, 
    and the few times I did, it did not turned out as enjoyable as I would have expected ! :) 

    it's a bit ironic that Audiosnap does this split thing now so well, even though it was not really meant for that ... 

    So yeah, you were right, I had auto fades to 10 ms (I'm not sure that I did activate that myself, but to this point, it's not important!)

    Now my only issue, is to take out the audiosnap markers, that appears on the time ruler bar on top of the project window (it blocks the view of the measure numbers, markers etc...) it's pretty much in the way, and cumbersome for nothing, as I don't have any audiosnap clips activated ... 
    being able to take that out would be just perfect.. 
    I tried clicking on it, right-clicking, I just don't seem to find where I can take those rulers out, but you probably have a solution for that already lol ! 

    Thanks again ! 

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    Re:Auto split clips faster than by measure? 2011/08/27 02:41:22 (permalink)
    I tried clicking on it, right-clicking, I just don't seem to find where I can take those rulers out, but you probably have a solution for that already lol ! 



     Disabling them is the same drill as enabling. Right-click an AS-enabled clip, and go to pool > Add MBT to Pool. Selecting it again will toggle it off. There used to be nice button for this in S6. They really need to bring that baby back. And this Edit Filter concept is a real PITA as far as I'm concerned.

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    Re:Auto split clips faster than by measure? 2011/08/30 11:28:26 (permalink)
    Hi ! 

    Sorry for the late reply ! 

    Yes that works !!! 

    Awesome, so we have now a working solution to split clips in small resolution! 

    Thanks so much to take the time to help me out!! 
    I hope this info can be useful to others too ! 

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