Auto-Tune

ugh

as FZ said, shut up and play your guitar.

"For all you CRITICS and HATERS, ****ing about a-t is fashionable but boring,  people once ****ed about sample music and drum machines."
 
..... all three of which dilute the ability of the listener to determine if any actual talent or skill was involved in what they are listening to. (Not judging. Just stating a fact.)

Pointless threads get pointless answers.

skullsession

jhaugh


For all you CRITICS and HATERS, ****ing about a-t is fashionable but boring,  people once ****ed about sample music and drum machines. 

A LOT of people still complain about all 3....they're called singers, musicians, and drummers.

lol

hey skull, do you use fire technology to cook your meat;  real men don't.

I actually do have a problem with people that cant sound good without autotune-
But, still, if the song is good, and the autotune works for the production/song I wont hate on it. I appreciate any art that I can enjoy-

T-Pain has some cool song
Lil Wayne sound cool when they auto tune his voice on some songs
That "Im blue" song (da ba de da ba dah) is way cool with the tuned vocal
Cher's "Believe" song was cool with the tuning sound to it-

The list goes on... it is an artistic tool -  I love good DJ scratching too, applied well-

but, yes, I prefer artists that can sing with or without autotune that only use it sometimes for the effect-

it's an empty argument.


using drum machines, or samples, as triggered elements in real time, is not the same thing as a musician not able to keep a beat, or sing in tune.


there's real art, and fabricated art, and the in between.

i suppose the honest glory resides in the honest performance.

I take it somebody can't carry a tune in a bucket?

You do have a point Beagle-

I put my mind a a place long ago in which I make music because I love it. If somebody else doesnt like it, well, to get people to like it or me wasnt why I made the music. If somebody else does like it, well, that is a blessing ;)

Beag (and Lance),

Methinks rewards has nothing to do with it.  The Op is correct ... us cronies are jealous.

Ah!  The performance vs. sampling jealousies, old school vs. new school, etc.

I'd spend more time 'devoloping my vox' (even as per Baxter's Rock Singer's Survival Guide) ...

... but alas ... melodyne is indeed more excellent most of the time.  Nothing stinks more (to pop-ears) than a lead vox that is 'slightly' off-pitch!

Despite my ears hating hip-hop, I wrote a Christian hip-hop piece ('EvoTrash') and a-t'd (melodyned) it into numerous synth vocs which I'd never trade for any of your vocs, nor Lance's sweet vox, nor my kids innocent vocs, etc.

The Op seems correct (to me): a-t is not only fashionable but it will over-ride the sweet vox paradigm in perhaps most vox genres.

Yeh!  For studio work:  Your innate vox-gift is sweet; but melodyne is much better!  Deal with it!  'Sweet Vox skill' seems all but out-the-window ... the writing is on the wall ... etc.

Thanks to a-t, there's no excuse anymore:

Just "shut up" and sing! 

wouldn't you rather be able to sing something well, and NOT have to fix it with a machine?


why would you take away the hard work that honest singers put in to craft their skills, by saying it does not matter?

it will always matter.

I'll (currently) embrace the machines, thankyou!  "to sing something well" is a studio fallacy.  Everyone sounds good enough for the pop scene.  You're sweet vox machines (the larnyx, the diaphram, etc.) are not the only sweet machines for the vox signal chain.

I suppose (Bat, Beag, Lance, and Bit) ... your target audience is yet another factor in this weighty pondering.  (I've assumed you're target audiences are all pop (rock, Christian, funk, hip-hop, etc.) ... judging from some of your late powerful pieces)

Also, you non-metal guys are extremely accomplished artists.  Basically, you/I have got to decide how you/I are gonna sing the next pop masterpiece ... without getting boring with the cutesey vox syndrome (aka, the new cr&p vox?). 

ie., "Ah!  She's gushy and sweet, but I'm sick of his/her/my personality"  ... a-t to the rescue!

Also faithful vocal desire probably outweighs skill.

I'm merely ranting that there is practically no excuse not to sing, at all.  JMO for the pop scene.    "Finished is better than perfect" (Yep, Yoyo).

Hey leave Taylor Swift out of it....
 
bdickens


I take it somebody can't carry a tune in a bucket?

Another big effect that suddenly started showing up after an artist featured it was the Golden Throat made popular by Peter Frampton.  Come to think of it, the way a-t is used today it sounds a bit like a Golden Throat used with a synth.
Found a good example: http://gadgets.boingboing...roat-talk-b.html 

jhaugh


LANCE When singing live gigs, you hit a bad note, you move on.  On a recording, you hit a bad note, its there forever. I wouldn't use a-t live.  When I submitted my little song for evaluation, I was hoping for critisism of recording or production or arrangment.  Instead here we are 10 pages into a dissertation on a-t and other pitch correction and who's a real musician.  I didn't realize 10 seconds of a-t in a rock tune would be so inspiring; nice.
Love ya'll

 
You see though....it's not just 10 seconds of Autotune used as an effect on your recording you linked to in the songs forum.

Autotune is there from the very beginning....flopping all over the place.

When it's used as an effect...ok...I guess I get it.

But used on a vocal for the entire track - obviously NOT as an effect - I just don't get it.  You've got AT artifacts all over that lead vocal.  WHY?  You only owned up to AT being used on the "effect" section  You obviously thought you "got away with it" on the rest. 

THAT is really what most people find offensive about Autotune or any of the other pitch correcting progs out there.  If people get lazy and over-use it, it's painfully obvious.