Automatic Mixing Software

I've just posted a link in another chat but i think we all must read this. (please see musicresearch link below)  This article says there is a dude working on automatic mixing software.  WE MUST STOP THIS AT ALL COSTS!!!!  Sequencer software, unfortunately such as even the great Sonar have democratized music to the point ever nerd wanting a girlfriend and a bit of the wink, wink nudge, nudge think they can make music.  This is wrong, wrong, wrong.  Every nerd wanting a girlfriend and is bit of loser goes to audio school to learn the lost secrets of audio production.  As i have said this is wrong too.  Christ save us all.  Music production, mixing, mastering, engineering and songwriting.  Is a) something your born with, so a little talent and b) 10 years of hard work in learning the formulas and learning the masters.  Please we must stop this software.  I'm fighting the war for the children and you.
http://www.musicresearch.com/blog/?tag=digital-audio
 
Viva la Revolution
Sonar Forever, Pro Tools Never
Ben B.C.T (Bachelor Of Creative Technology)
http://www.myspace.com/audiomystics

Bach would be puking his guts if he only heard what we call real music today, and I'm not sure he'd make much difference between the Beatles or a 16 years old messing w/ loops and garageband on his new iMac. 

So whether it's loops and samplers or synths or electric guitars, the debate is always the same, and I guess we pretty much all draw the line below ourselves and our tastes when it comes to what is acceptable. 

But if the aforementioned Bach was to be declared the standard, not too many people around here - or anywhere - would be making music...


Oddly enough, in primitive tribes where it's normal for basically everyone to make music and dance and sing - and not a priviledge or a way to make yourself special - music retains its power, it still has a meaning, a goal...)

dr.hash


I've just posted a link in another chat but i think we all must read this. (please see musicresearch link below)  This article says there is a dude working on automatic mixing software.  WE MUST STOP THIS AT ALL COSTS!!!!  Sequencer software, unfortunately such as even the great Sonar have democratized music to the point ever nerd wanting a girlfriend and a bit of the wink, wink nudge, nudge think they can make music.  This is wrong, wrong, wrong.  Every nerd wanting a girlfriend and is bit of loser goes to audio school to learn the lost secrets of audio production.  As i have said this is wrong too.  Christ save us all.  Music production, mixing, mastering, engineering and songwriting.  Is a) something your born with, so a little talent and b) 10 years of hard work in learning the formulas and learning the masters.  Please we must stop this software.  I'm fighting the war for the children and you.
http://www.musicresearch.com/blog/?tag=digital-audio
 
Viva la Revolution
Sonar Forever, Pro Tools Never
Ben B.C.T (Bachelor Of Creative Technology)
http://www.myspace.com/audiomystics

1) PLEASE don't fight any wars for me.
2) Please don't confuse "auto-mixing" software with human abilities to use such things.
3) Please keep Christ to yourself - I'm not against people having their faith, but I think bringing it into music forums is inappropriate.
4) Fight your own battles, not those of others.
 
Thank you.
 

Rain


Bach would be puking his guts if he only heard what we call real music today, and I'm not sure he'd make much difference between the Beatles or a 16 years old messing w/ loops and garageband on his new iMac. 

So whether it's loops and samplers or synths or electric guitars, the debate is always the same, and I guess we pretty much all draw the line below ourselves and our tastes when it comes to what is acceptable. 

But if the aforementioned Bach was to be declared the standard, not too many people around here - or anywhere - would be making music...


Oddly enough, in primitive tribes where it's normal for basically everyone to make music and dance and sing - and not a priviledge or a way to make yourself special - music retains its power, it still has a meaning, a goal...)

George Martin said that Beethoven would have loved to have written the Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds riff (Speculation), so i poo poo that first statement and if we strip away all the layers Lucy In The Sky is Bach and then as i said in another post everybody steals from everybody and it goes like this.
Bach and Vivaldi are the beginnings of what we understand as the great European classical music cannon, Mozart borrows from those two and improves on that, along comes Beethoven and he steals from those three and then it progress again, finally we end up with The Beatles and further on Progressive Rock.  Pink Floyd Echoes and the glorious 9th symphony are in fact cousins.  This is only a brief summery if you want an essay i will do you one.
Yes there should standards, it is ridiculous what we call music today and Bach would puke his guts up if he heard Lady Gaga.  we are no longer tribal and what we call tribal music, psy trance and the other rubbish that gets lumped into that genre a two year old could do.  Look i don't think you need to play an instrument but you should understand your instrument and in this case Sonar is the instrument.  I'm saying if you really want to be great and add to the sum of human knowledge with music or move somebody with a note you have to have skills.  It's taken me 10 years to understand these fundamentals and use the knowledge in a cohesive way.  nobody seams to have mentioned what they think of the idea of not having to mix but to allow a machine to mix for them.  This has to be dangerous.
As for the other guy who says he doesn't want me to fight the war for and him and his children too bad I'm doing it and am continuing to do it. Christ!
 
Peace and Love
Ben B.C.T (Bachelor Of Creative Technology)
Werent the last twenty years crap,
lets make the next twent great"
http://www.myspace.com/audiomystics

What we "must stop at all costs" is people like you and your tiresome rants.

 Post this rubbish elsewhere in future.

Dr Hash you talk a lot of dogs mince !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

I cannot imagine Flower of Scotland with a trance beat (whatever that is) Lets have another Castlemain. Do they still brew it. lol

flower of scotland with a trance beat (lol) you would have to be really ****ing cheesy to do that

So I just had to go and google that:

http://www.guitarsolos.co...-%5BsfNzaYRrTHA%5D.cfm

Bach would be puking his guts...

Quite likely. But I'm pretty sure Mozart would be OK with it.

dr.hash


I've just posted a link in another chat but i think we all must read this. (please see musicresearch link below)  This article says there is a dude working on automatic mixing software.  WE MUST STOP THIS AT ALL COSTS!!!!  Sequencer software, unfortunately such as even the great Sonar have democratized music to the point ever nerd wanting a girlfriend and a bit of the wink, wink nudge, nudge think they can make music.  This is wrong, wrong, wrong.  Every nerd wanting a girlfriend and is bit of loser goes to audio school to learn the lost secrets of audio production.  As i have said this is wrong too.  Christ save us all.  Music production, mixing, mastering, engineering and songwriting.  Is a) something your born with, so a little talent and b) 10 years of hard work in learning the formulas and learning the masters.  Please we must stop this software.  I'm fighting the war for the children and you.
http://www.musicresearch.com/blog/?tag=digital-audio
 
Viva la Revolution
Sonar Forever, Pro Tools Never
Ben B.C.T (Bachelor Of Creative Technology)
http://www.myspace.com/audiomystics

Maybe that can be the Sonar 9 advertising campaign - "Buy Sonar 9 and beat off the groupies with an oily stick" 

-=mike=-

Sequencer software, unfortunately such as even the great Sonar have democratized music to the point ever nerd wanting a girlfriend and a bit of the wink, wink nudge, nudge think they can make music.

I didn't think groupies had a thing for nerds and gearheads.

Who cares?

It will be used by the same guys who think they can use presets for EQ and compression.

Nothing they do will ever be heard by anyone other than their friends and family.

I seriously doubt that it will rival mixes made by competent professionals.

OK final post on this one, you don't seam to get my sentiments, i was trying to stir things up.  I wholeheartedly think that this software is dangerous.  That was my point and i don't care some standards would be nice.  I have put my, myspace page url up with work i have done and work that been has done over the last few years so judge away (it's my womans and I work).  I will be setting up a website and flogging my products.  So judge away. 

Look i think our world could be better and standards and knowledge are at the core of that.  Music, the music industry and our art is in trouble i don't know what planet you guys are on but if the industry is better out there on that planet let me know I'm coming to join you.

I'm in the middle of all this, after completing my degree, and after much work, research and learning the conclusion is not good.  Our product, our art our musical work has been devalued so much, that bands don't wont to pay for recordings.  Most bands think they can do it themselves.  This software will not help that.

I have learnt something and i know the key and the secret as to why music is in terrible shape.  Of course there are factors that put pressure on this even more so, things such as more entertainment outlets.  But the biggest thing that is stopping music going forward is a lack of understanding of what the recording arts are.

I am trying to put together Strawberry Fields in a DAW, from my research, the skill that went into that track alone would scare most aspiring producers and be impossible for most of the producers around to achieve.  The layers, and complexity are awesome.

So before poo, pooing me try and understand my words, they are words of concern and words of concern for us all.  I am sorry if you think i am arrogant.  But i do believe in being the best you can be and i think this is a problem with the world in general (my opinion) and that is we accept mediocrity and we like it because it does not challenge us and it wont take away our cardboard castle.

Peace and Love Ben B.C.T (Bachelor Of Creative Technology)
Sonar Forever, Pro Tools Never
Weren't The Last Twenty Years Crap,
Lets Make The Next Twenty Great.

I wholeheartedly think that this software is dangerous

I am not afraid of software  - and I am the one that's dangerous to that software  ...the software IS NOT dangerous to me 




since were talking degrees I have a bachelor and masters in music education 



I am dangerous because I just use sonar like a giant digital tape machine and record like the old days - only difference than the old days is the editing at my fingertips - (cut and past copy ect....)

I am dangerous because I am trained to teach and play 17 instruments 

I am dangerous because I know better -  than to be fooled by a loop or a soft sythn and someone who actually created the music and performed it 


I am the threat 


and when I am writing and recording my "A" game...... a piece of software over my human ears when it comes down to a mix doesn't have anything over my ability,,,nor does a computer have any competition when it comes to heart in music - its a no contest  

same as when I play with heart as opposed to a loop

I am dangerous to that software and the creators because I am a teacher

I am  spreading the news to be creative on your own - be it something that is crap or great or mediocre it came from me or you or that guy over there   

I am dangerous because I have over 4700 people following me and contributing to a web page  I created - "Music is just as important as reading, writing, math, science and history"  

I am dangerous because I don't care about yelling that I am a Christian to anyone - Christ was about Love - and I love EVERYONE even if you don't -  that's not a bad thing combining Love and music - 

automatic mixing software V.S. Mooch 

I am not scared -- AT ALL 


BRING IT - 

I AM THE ONE THAT'S DANGEROUS 


and so are all of you if you want to be - and I think most of you are all ready very creative and dangerous VS an automated mixing software program thingy POS


anyway 


what's Bapu been doing today ?

WHAT!?

I like mooch 456, i don't know if you are having a go at me or in some way supporting me and i agree I'm not scared (I am looking for a fight, i suppose i am a contradictory beast, i just want a better appreciation of our art) perhaps mooch is right and it exists and i haven't found it. 

Look read my words, I'm saying if you want to learn, learn from the best and the best in recording at the start are the beatles and their associated team. 

I don't know if your attacking me either fog.  All i was saying the democratization of music through this software with the help of Apple have given us the industry that we have today.  If you had read my words, I'm saying that here in OZ we don't have an industry unless its live and i think this is bad.  all the best work in my opinion has been written in the studio.

I have also said judge me if you want i have given you my link to my myspce page.
Finally i actually like what mooch has written, he is correct and he is going about the music business in the right way.

My intention was not to offend but to try and warn everybody of this software and the potential problems that it may cause.  I have said we have one of the best communities in DAW land.  once again, i apologize for any offence.

Peace and Love Ben B.C.T (Bachelor Of Creative Technology)
Weren't the last twenty years crap,
lets make the next twenty great"
Ps mooch i will finish my masters in music technology at the end of the year.
http://www.myspace.com/audiomystics