Automating dry/wet amounts in send

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2016/08/11 21:26:33 (permalink)

Automating dry/wet amounts in send

I've got a reverb bus, and want to vary the wet/dry amount for my drums, using any values between 0% and 100% wet.  Ideally, I would be using one automation envelope rather than two.
 
Currently, I've got the following setup:
 
1) master bus - no effects, the final bus
2) reverb bus - has reverb effect, and outputs to master bus
3) drum audio track - no output, but instead has one send to reverb bus, and another send to master bus
 
This lets me vary the drums' reverb amount, but I have to fiddle with 2 envelopes, since when I increase the output to the reverb bus ("wet"), I need to decrease the output to the master bus ("dry").  A bit of a pain.
 
Also, whenever I load my project I get a warning about the drums not having an output. 
 
Is there an easier way to do this?
 
Thanks
 

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    promidi
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    Re: Automating dry/wet amounts in send 2016/08/11 22:09:56 (permalink)
    Have you considered grouping the two controls together and then using group manager to invert the range of one of the controls....  Configured this way, increasing the output to the reverb bus will reduce the reverbs send level...

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    Re: Automating dry/wet amounts in send 2016/08/11 22:51:06 (permalink)
    Did you set the reverb to wet sound only, so adding more dry to the reverb doesn't add more dry to the output?

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    Re: Automating dry/wet amounts in send 2016/08/12 04:17:38 (permalink)
    If you don't NEED the reverb for other sounds you could just use it as an insert effect on the drum track/bus and automate the plugin wet/dry control.
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    Re: Automating dry/wet amounts in send 2016/08/12 07:46:06 (permalink)
    I would set it up the same way you set up a parallel compression bus.
    this way you can use the fader to control the reverb signal.

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    Re: Automating dry/wet amounts in send 2016/08/12 10:18:20 (permalink)
    Change this:
     
    3) drum audio track - no output, but instead has one send to reverb bus, and another send to master bus
     
    to
     
    3) drum audio track - output to master, one send to reverb bus
     
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    Re: Automating dry/wet amounts in send 2016/08/12 12:08:15 (permalink)
    dcumpian
    Change this:
     
    3) drum audio track - no output, but instead has one send to reverb bus, and another send to master bus
     
    to
     
    3) drum audio track - output to master, one send to reverb bus
     
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    Yep, that's what I'd do.

     
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    Re: Automating dry/wet amounts in send 2016/08/12 16:36:06 (permalink)
    There's no real benefit to that for the described issue. In fact, unless you ALSO switch the verb send pre fader, that setup won't even allow you to have an "only reverb" signal.
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    Re: Automating dry/wet amounts in send 2016/08/12 19:12:07 (permalink)
    as I said when you create a parallel compression bus, your mixing the dry and wet(compressed) signal together and using a fader to control the amount of compression. instead of using compression the bus, inset a reverb instead.
    this typically what I do. there's a few ways of dong this . good reply's I've read above as well.
     

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    Re: Automating dry/wet amounts in send 2016/08/12 23:53:02 (permalink)
    That would still require automating two faders which is what the OP asked to avoid. I think the only way is to insert a reverb directly on the track/bus and automate the plugin's own wet/dry balance (or create an fx chain macro knob if the plug has two separate controls for wet and dry level).
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    Re: Automating dry/wet amounts in send 2016/08/13 00:47:09 (permalink)
    Thanks for all the suggestions!  Let's see if I am understanding them correctly:
     
    Currently the reverb bus is being used by other tracks as well.  If I want to keep doing that, then it sounds like I will need to continue using 2 sends.  Promidi said that there could be a way to group the controls so that as I raise one send level, the other send level is automatically lowered.  This sounds like a neat trick, but I don't know how long it takes to set something like that up.  It's definitely something for me to try out when I have time.
     
    For this particular song, it's a moot point, because I realized, after Craig pointed it out, that the effect on the reverb bus isn't 100% wet.  So, I can never get a "true" wet/dry range from 0% wet to 100% wet unless I create a second reverb effect which is 100% wet.
     
    So, I have a couple options of where to create the second reverb effect: I can either create a new reverb bus or add the effect to the drum track's effects bin (in which case this would be called an Insert Effect, correct?).
     
    If I create a second reverb bus (with a 100% wet reverb), to be used only by the drums, then I could set the drum track's output to the second reverb bus, and then automate the new reverb effect's wet/dry slider (assuming there is one).  In order for that to work, I would need to create a MIDI track for storing the reverb's automation, correct?  Or can we assign automation envelopes directly to buses too?  (I'm a bit fuzzy on effect automation). 
     
    Of course, a simpler way would be to add the new reverb effect to the drum track itself.  I could then automate the effect's wet/dry amount directly within the drum track.
     
    Does that sound correct?

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    Re: Automating dry/wet amounts in send 2016/08/13 06:01:19 (permalink)
    1. If you will only be using the reverb bus for the drums you might as well add it to the track instead, saving you an extra step.
    2. Buses can have automation lanes the same as tracks. Midi doesn't really have anything to do with it.
    3. You can group controls but as far as I know you unless you want them to respond in the same direction you need to create a macro button for an fx chain, which basically means you can only group plugin knobs and not sends.
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    Re: Automating dry/wet amounts in send 2016/08/13 07:24:20 (permalink)
    Sanderxpander
    That would still require automating two faders which is what the OP asked to avoid. I think the only way is to insert a reverb directly on the track/bus and automate the plugin's own wet/dry balance (or create an fx chain macro knob if the plug has two separate controls for wet and dry level).

    you don't need to automate the dry signal. only the wet (reverb fader)
    however, now im starting to believe an Aux track might be a better idea
    typical of me, changing ideas all the time. 
     
    but similar to this:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzZD-Cj_X1g

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    Re: Automating dry/wet amounts in send 2016/08/13 09:05:29 (permalink)
    Automating only the reverb signal means always leaving the dry signal in place which is different from hearing JUST the reverb. The way I understood the OP, he wants the option of having a 100 percent wet, no dry signal too. I could be wrong though.
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