Automation Feature Change

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2014/07/12 16:20:06 (permalink)

Automation Feature Change

It's a small thing, but does anyone else wish that adding a volume automation envelope worked differently?
 
I get my fader about where I want it, and then I use the drop-down in the track view to change from CLIPS to AUTOMATION | VOLUME.  This creates a volume envelope.  So far, so good.  The problem is that Sonar puts a node at the first of the song and at the end.  I always have to scroll to the end and cut the last node.  Why?  Because as I mix, I will be adjusting the level of each track up or down—but when I don't, I do get a clean change: I get a sloping envelope from the start to the end.
 
EXAMPLE:  I think the bass should be at about -4.  I create and envelope and there is a -4 node at the start and end.  BUT if I decide the bass should be at -3, I can't just change the node at the first: I have to change both.  If I just change the first node, the colume will gradually be decreasing from -3 to -4 over the course of the song.
 
So, I always end up creating an envelope, then scrolling to the end and razor-blading the node at the end.  I want Sonar to put nodes where I put them and not help me by adding extras.
 
This is a small thing, but it affects workflow.  Anyone else agree?

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    scook
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    Re: Automation Feature Change 2014/07/12 16:26:23 (permalink)
    In X1, to change both nodes at once hold the SHIFT key and drag the envelop.
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    Re: Automation Feature Change 2014/07/12 16:38:52 (permalink)
    Also I would not bother to use automation for that. When I use automation I use it for adjusting volume throughout the track.Not the whole track set to a single volume. And I use a control surface to do the rough pass. For your use simply lower or raise the fader. Set it to where you want it. You may make adjustments to it but they shouldn't be recorded. 

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    Re: Automation Feature Change 2014/07/12 17:17:11 (permalink)
    Hey, John.  I understand and thanks, but, this is how I set the initial volume; then I add nodes where I need increases and decreases but I always want a baseline.  Also, even if the volume does not change, I still create a node because it is too easy to move a fader unintentionally (hardware or software).
     
    I generally make all the movements in the track automation and then use bus automation to correct overall levels slightly.

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    Re: Automation Feature Change 2014/07/12 18:04:47 (permalink)
    You can also easily select the entire lane by clicking jn the top left of the lane header, then if you hover on the top part of the lane, you can drag increase/decrease the envelope along the entire length. Also useful for adjusting the overall volume of an already automated track.
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    Re: Automation Feature Change 2014/07/12 18:14:50 (permalink)
    X1 does have lanes.
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    Re: Automation Feature Change 2014/07/12 19:52:37 (permalink)
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    In X1, to change both nodes at once hold the SHIFT key and drag the envelop.


    I think it's actually CTRL, not shift. But yes, that's the way to change an entire section of envelope.

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    Re: Automation Feature Change 2014/07/12 19:55:27 (permalink)
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    You can also easily select the entire lane by clicking jn the top left of the lane header, then if you hover on the top part of the lane, you can drag increase/decrease the envelope along the entire length. Also useful for adjusting the overall volume of an already automated track.



    This is one of my favorite automation shortcuts, I use it all the time.

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    Re: Automation Feature Change 2014/07/12 20:04:09 (permalink)
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    In X1, to change both nodes at once hold the SHIFT key and drag the envelop.


    I think it's actually CTRL, not shift. But yes, that's the way to change an entire section of envelope.


    When I tried it before posting, SHIFT worked for me where CTRL did not in X1. I also found CTRL worked in X3 and SHIFT did not. Maybe I did something wrong in X1.
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    Re: Automation Feature Change 2014/07/12 21:01:47 (permalink)
    Ah right. Yeah, a bunch of stuff changed around X2 time with key modifiers and so on. I remember being a bit thrown by it at first.
     
    But the main point is right; there is a way to do what Konrad wants, and while it's not immediately obvious, it's nice and easy once you know how.
     
    EDIT: it's coming back to me now. I think in X1 you could just grab an automation line and drag it up and down. Then in X2 and X3, clicking an automation line was changed to "add node" and you have to hold a modifier key to get the old drag behaviour.

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    Re: Automation Feature Change 2014/07/12 21:02:52 (permalink)
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    You can also easily select the entire lane by clicking jn the top left of the lane header, then if you hover on the top part of the lane, you can drag increase/decrease the envelope along the entire length. Also useful for adjusting the overall volume of an already automated track.



    This is one of my favorite automation shortcuts, I use it all the time.


    As an added bonus, you don't even need to select first. If nothing is selected, it defaults to moving the entire envelope.

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    Re: Automation Feature Change 2014/07/12 21:20:51 (permalink)
    John T
    ...I think in X1 you could just grab an automation line and drag it up and down. Then in X2 and X3, clicking an automation line was changed to "add node" and you have to hold a modifier key to get the old drag behaviour.



    Or hit F7 for "Move" tool instead of "Smart" tool.

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    Re: Automation Feature Change 2014/07/15 13:03:49 (permalink)
    Great suggestions.  I still don't want the last node, though. I find it more exact to right-click a node and change the value than to drag the whole envelope.  Sometimes 1db or 0.5db is the right change. Sometimes the mix sounds good, but everything needs to go up or down slightly to get the peak at the right place.  I find it hard to make those delicate changes by dragging, and it is easy to mess up the mix.
     
    So, great tools suggested here, but I would still like Sonar only to add the nodes I want and not assume I want another at the end of the song.  This is a really minor thing, though.
    post edited by konradh - 2014/07/15 21:07:11

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    Re: Automation Feature Change 2014/07/15 16:55:49 (permalink)
    FWIW, Konrad, I agree with you. I don't know why other folks on this thread don't seem to understand the problem.
     
    I will mark your original post as "Helpful" because I didn't think of cutting the last node...
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    Re: Automation Feature Change 2014/07/15 20:08:48 (permalink)
    I don't work in the same way so I don't often run into the same issue you have, but I do agree with you. Every once in a while I'll have to mess with that last node. 

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    Re: Automation Feature Change 2014/07/15 21:13:27 (permalink)
    Cool, guys, thanks; and, again not the biggest issue in the world.

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