Automation is useless, MIDI Learn ACT mode is useless, not able to make Glitch **** work.

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2016/07/18 23:55:46 (permalink)

Automation is useless, MIDI Learn ACT mode is useless, not able to make Glitch **** work.

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Sorry- I am frustrated. When everybody tells me that Sonar is for beginners, I keep telling them that Sonar allows me to do anything I need and meets all my needs. I must be in denial because when it comes to automation and MIDI Learn. it fails miserably. I spending the entire evening trying to make Vengeance Glitch **** work and it wont. All I need it to do is to press this big button that activates the effect. I can do it with mouth but have no way to record when it activated which is critical for its operation. 
In the video #2 (on the right) at 1:17 sec, http://www.vengeance-sound.com/  (Please, go to Glitch Bitc* page and click on the Videos. Can not post a link because the forum has a problem with the B word and corrects it in the link.) 
the engineer showing how to use it in Abelton.  In Abelton, as it shown in the video on the right at 1:17, the engineer drags and drops Glitch **** (GB) on the track as an instrument. I don't think we have drag and drop option in Sonar for the instruments, do we? I have to insert instrument. The Sonar sees GB as an effect, not instrument. Therefor it is not on the list of VST instruments but on the list of effects. If it is inserted on the track as effect, it works when I use mouth to press Glitch button. But I have no way to assign the MIDI track to it (as he shows in the video and as I would with VST Instrument). He says- he assigned midi track but he does not say what controller number CC# he uses. Is it the key on keyboard he presses? Is it a knob?
 The Automation is Sonar requires me to know what CC# I want to automate. What CC# GB is replying to? I need it to record the mouse click On and Off for Glitch button. How can I do it? There is no MIDI Learn like most other synths have in GB. It relies on DAW Host Learn function which does NOTHING in Sonar. It is outdated and not working with anything. The GB has sequencer but it is also defective by design as it starts from different locations every time and there is no way to make it to start from the beginning, so it also useless.It is a great effect/instrument but Sonar is not able to run it. If you can help, it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. 
post edited by vladasyn - 2016/07/19 00:22:36

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    Re: Automation is useless, MIDI Learn ACT mode is useless, not able to make Glitch **** wo 2016/07/19 02:29:15 (permalink)
    Sonar is a complex program... Its 2.5k pages reference guide is a good source for understanding what is there
    You have mixed all together:
    * there is no "MIDI Learn ACT mode"
    * "MIDI Learn", available in some Software Synth (and some FXes), some ACT plug-ins (also not in all) and in Sonar "Remote control" is MIDI controller related
    * "ACT Learn" (the button you can see in the top part of plug-in window) has nothing to do with MIDI (at least not directly)
    * automations have nothing to do with MIDI, till they are used on MIDI tracks or controlled by MIDI controller throw ACT plug-ins
    * ACT is for controllers only, mouse can not be used as an ACT controller (Joystick, iPad, etc. can, but that is a different topic)
     
    Now to practice, I do not have GB, but all VSTs are equivalent for hosts (including Sonar). Assuming you do not want to use MIDI controller, but want to write an automation:
    1) insert GB as a normal FX into the track
    2) enable "Automation write" for the track ("W" button in inspector/track view/console) or just for GB ("W" button on top of its interface)
    3) start playback, use mouse on the Glitch button.
    With some luck you should see the automation lane than
     
    If that works and you want use MIDI: right click on the automation box in the track view, select "Remote control...". Here you can "MIDI Learn"
     
    Finally, from "KVR":

    I inquired, "Is MIDI Learn just for the Glitch button or for all knobs/timing settings/etc?"
    Their response was, "No, MIDI learn for other knobs beside the Glitch button is not planned atm."

    So that means you can somehow "MIDI Learn" it. To use that, click on "VST2" button on top of the window, select "Enable MIDI input". That will put it into Synth rack (it still will be in FX bin!). You can then add MIDI track and set its output to GB (better set "Input echo" to On instead of Automatic on). After that you can use/learn/record MIDI.

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    Re: Automation is useless, MIDI Learn ACT mode is useless, not able to make Glitch **** wo 2016/07/19 11:13:50 (permalink)
    Thank you for your response. I have to sit down when I get from work and try all your suggestions. 
     
    Thank you, will update. 
    post edited by vladasyn - 2016/07/19 17:18:35

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