Automation lanes.... no multi-channel support?

So, i like the new Automation lanes.... however... I still get the feeling that automation in general is still limited, for example...
 
I do not understand why automation is limited to one track on a VST.... or am i missing something?..
 
An Access Virus has sixteen parts, plus three stereo outputs... If I pick the midi source as the origin for the automation in the synth property page, then i can separately put the audio automation on the three audio tracks, however all automation for the 16 channels (16 source midi tracks in the folder) associated with that VST must be on one track... 
 
Is there anyway that I can actually see the automation of a midi track along with the track itself?..
 
thx
 
 
 
 

FastBikerBoy


Not sure I'm fully understanding but isn't that the point of the lanes? You put the automation on one track and then break it out to the lanes. That way you have the track data in the track and the lanes have the automation.

 
The Virus has 16 parts, but clearly can only have one instance of the VST (as there is only one synth) and, afaik you can only have the automation on a single midi track to a VST, while the data itself may be on up to 16 tracks (one track per part).
 
So with this restriction i have no visibility to any given individual track/part's data and its associated automation... 
  
 

FastBikerBoy


Ah, I see, I didn't fully understand what you meant.

While it may not be ideal, a workround could be to move the automation around as required. It is possible to change the automation display track after the event, not sure if that'll help at all or not.

hmm, hate to ask but how would i do that?.. i dont find the help/reference guide much use on automation...
 
guess i am looking to solve two critical issues...
 
a) viewing a track and its associated automation along with it, and
b) the ability to group/ copy the clip..ie the data and its automation, from track to track within a track folder for a vst
 
thx

FastBikerBoy


Open the browser in the multidock or floating (Very important - docked won't work) and then open the synth rack.

Click on the synth and you'll then see toward the bottom right of the synth the  "Automation" selector. From there you can re-assign the automation to your chosen track.

Effectively you can move it to the MIDI data track of your choice, not ideal but workable perhaps.

HTH 

hey thanks Karl, at least i discovered something.. (didnt know about the real time reassigning)..but that just shifts all the automation onto another track.... so still not able to view or link a given midi track with a given set of automation data....

I see that the automation can be moved to be viewed on any of my input tracks, so it helps a little bit, as i can screen the data (laborius but possible) for that specific track.. and so it will aid sound sculpting but I cannot however, link or copy a part and its associated automation data... any clip is associated with all the automation data from all input tracks 

I have put in a feature request as this limitation is not in some other DAW

I think the problem is the fact that you are dealing with two things here. A hardware synth and a VST plugin to control it. If you were to bypass the VST it would be possible to have automation on each MIDI track or even just one that is routed to the hardware synth using MIDI channels to work with the control of different patches.