cclarry
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Avid Applies for Patent of "Smart Recording" Algorithm
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Dave Modisette
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Re: Avid Applies for Patent of "Smart Recording" Algorithm
2014/09/04 09:10:55
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I want to patent the "Uh, I don't think so. Do it again." algorithm.
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The Maillard Reaction
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Re: Avid Applies for Patent of "Smart Recording" Algorithm
2014/09/04 09:38:40
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This seems like a great idea and it reminds me that Avid addresses issues that musicians recognize and identify as stumbling blocks in a DAW work flow. AVID APPLY FOR PATENT ON 'SMART' RECORDING ALGORITHM I'll be very curious to see how it works when it hits the market.
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Jim Roseberry
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Re: Avid Applies for Patent of "Smart Recording" Algorithm
2014/09/04 09:52:58
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In Cubase 6 and up, there's an algorithm to automatically "beat-map" the time-line to a "free time" performance (one not played to a metronome). For the most part, it's pretty accurate. How is the Avid technology much different? Just my opinion, but Avid's M.O. typically isn't trail-blazing (at least on the native side). They're usually playing catch-up with more advanced features from other vendors.
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gswitz
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Re: Avid Applies for Patent of "Smart Recording" Algorithm
2014/09/04 11:00:49
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This may count as off point, but a lot of tempo synched VSTs do not handle tempo changes well. Especially sloping changes. I would think a lot of work lies ahead to merge tempo synched technologies with blurred tempos from real life.
Consider cases where instruments are collectively pushing and pulling on the group's tempo.
StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: Avid Applies for Patent of "Smart Recording" Algorithm
2014/09/04 11:55:41
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The Maillard Reaction
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Re: Avid Applies for Patent of "Smart Recording" Algorithm
2014/09/04 12:10:27
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Hi Geoff, I think you make a good point, but it is also a very specific problem. It can be solved with look ahead buffering and extra computation within the VST. Adding extra tasks such as that will impact the ability to have lots and lots of VSTs implemented in a project at any given sample buffer timing. If that sort of feature is very important to you then I would use that capability as a defining point for choosing which VSTs are acceptable and of high enough quality for your use. I think that if I knew a particular effect was good, or not so good at it, that the info would effect my personal ideas regarding its value. I haven't thought much about it in the past, but if the info was more readily available I think I would. It's my impression that free play musicians rarely ask me about tempo sync effects but they often wonder why I have switched the timeline to "time", abandoned using a M:B;T timeline, and adopted the use of markers to define the song form. Getting a M:B:T timeline to match a live performance was one of the first expectations I had for "DAW" that seemed to be rewarded with frustration and disappointment. As Jim mentioned, Cubase seems to have some really good timeline features, and if I could take the stress of learning yet another DAW I would have purchased a license in the past few years just for those features.
post edited by mike_mccue - 2014/09/04 13:55:27
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Jim Roseberry
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Re: Avid Applies for Patent of "Smart Recording" Algorithm
2014/09/04 13:34:17
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In addition to beat-mapping... What about more advanced/intelligent "humanizing" tools for tempo??? Where you could push/pull the tempo... and simulate playing behind, right-on, or in-front of perfect meter. This would allow more accurate/realistic simulation of live music being driven by a top-notch drummer. You can do all of this manually... but it could be simplified/expanded and presented in a more MUSICAL experience. A virtual drummer/meter plugin...
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dubdisciple
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Re: Avid Applies for Patent of "Smart Recording" Algorithm
2014/09/04 14:16:44
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Jim Roseberry In addition to beat-mapping... What about more advanced/intelligent "humanizing" tools for tempo??? Where you could push/pull the tempo... and simulate playing behind, right-on, or in-front of perfect meter. This would allow more accurate/realistic simulation of live music being driven by a top-notch drummer. You can do all of this manually... but it could be simplified/expanded and presented in a more MUSICAL experience. A virtual drummer/meter plugin...
Hasn't that existed for awhile in most major drum sequencing programs? Of course it can always be improved but wasn't that the premise behind such features as being able to apply amd even edit "grooves"? I recall even older versions of Acid implementing that.
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Jim Roseberry
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Re: Avid Applies for Patent of "Smart Recording" Algorithm
2014/09/04 15:24:21
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dubdisciple Hasn't that existed for awhile in most major drum sequencing programs? Of course it can always be improved but wasn't that the premise behind such features as being able to apply amd even edit "grooves"? I recall even older versions of Acid implementing that.
Groove Quantization... yes. Being able to choose pre-defined Grooves, yes. I'm thinking more in terms of a real-time set of controls.
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dubdisciple
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Re: Avid Applies for Patent of "Smart Recording" Algorithm
2014/09/04 16:23:48
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Oh. I see...I think. I'm curious how playing ahead of the groove would work in real time. A prediction algorithm?
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Jim Roseberry
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Re: Avid Applies for Patent of "Smart Recording" Algorithm
2014/09/04 17:11:03
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After the performance is recorded, a look-ahead algorithm could be applied/manipulated "in real-time".
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dubdisciple
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Re: Avid Applies for Patent of "Smart Recording" Algorithm
2014/09/04 17:13:36
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My head just exploded lol
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Jim Roseberry
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Re: Avid Applies for Patent of "Smart Recording" Algorithm
2014/09/04 19:21:29
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gswitz
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Re: Avid Applies for Patent of "Smart Recording" Algorithm
2014/09/04 21:32:11
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Jim Roseberry After the performance is recorded, a look-ahead algorithm could be applied/manipulated "in real-time". 
idk Jim... the whole idea of pushing or pulling the rhythm to alter the tempo is that the other musicians respond in real time. Adding push or pull later to suggest that... well we all sped up b/c of the drummer that wasn't playing when we recording the guitar parts is kinda weird, no? I do think it would be cool to be able to have a separate tempo map for each instrument maybe and to adjust how they overlay each other... maybe moving the drums to line up with the guitar better by adjusting the drums tempo map rather than moving beats a bit here and bit there... you could line the drums up with the bass, but let the guitar lead the beat a bit even as the tempo increases. or the other way around as it decreases. Possibilities are limitless. Of course, I think of R&D as Rip-off and duplicate when it comes to concepts for mapping tempos. Everyone has been mapping tempos forever. I guess I'm just left scratching my head on why this company gets to say 'no one can follow us for 18 years' because their idea is so original. Is it really that original?
StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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The Maillard Reaction
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Re: Avid Applies for Patent of "Smart Recording" Algorithm
2014/09/04 22:13:14
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If a new algo rhythm actually works it will be fairly original. Most of the tempo mapping tools that have existed for the past 20+ years don't actually work very well. For example; Fit to Improvisation frequently balks when it thinks you are "out of range" For example; Set Measure/Beat at Now can gum up the works, but not before you've invested a good deal of time working your way along the time line.
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gswitz
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Re: Avid Applies for Patent of "Smart Recording" Algorithm
2014/09/05 20:13:26
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Yeah. I didn't mean to be all pessimistic. Remember the Maestrolizer? That was cool bit of code. Anyway, I know the coders aren't really making millions. They deserve to get paid for their work. I'm sus picious some times about who gets paid for what work.
StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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The Maillard Reaction
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Re: Avid Applies for Patent of "Smart Recording" Algorithm
2014/09/05 20:38:51
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In this case the person who developed the idea no longer seems to work at the corporation that intends to own the idea. The reason this announcement grabbed my attention is that I've hoped for better working time line tools for quite some time, which is also why I've been curious about the Cubase tools. Also, Forum member dmbear has a great MIDI timing tool that he developed but I haven't explored it fully.
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