John
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BA Midi letter discussion
Here it is open to all to discuss all ideas and changes the forum would like to make to it. Also it has been proposed that I wait until Monday to send the letter. I am thinking that is a good idea. It would give the forum a little more time and I do know that there are some members that come to the forum on the weekends. Another idea is that I change the word awful to great in the phrase "awful loss". To me it is an awful loss and is negative. That was the objection that the word awful has negative connotations. I think it should stay as is but I leave it up to the forum.
post edited by John - 2012/08/24 18:11:06
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Re:BA Midid letter discussion
2012/08/24 12:40:22
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No objection to awful. The loss of someone IS negative, no matter how we word it.
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Re:BA Midid letter discussion
2012/08/24 12:42:22
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How about: "We share in the loss you are feeling."
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Re:BA Midid letter discussion
2012/08/24 12:44:44
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Rain
No objection to awful. The loss of someone IS negative, no matter how we word it.
My thinking exactly.
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Re:BA Midid letter discussion
2012/08/24 12:45:51
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daveny5
How about: "We share in the loss you are feeling."
That is said too in other words but clearly.
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Re:BA Midid letter discussion
2012/08/24 12:54:18
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post edited by timidi - 2012/08/25 18:24:49
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Re:BA Midid letter discussion
2012/08/24 12:54:21
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John I would appreciate my name added to the list and thank you.
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Re:BA Midid letter discussion
2012/08/24 13:00:58
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With his presence here we were all better for it. He was a peace maker here without being judgmental. By him posting, many disagreements were concluded because he offered insights that would bring us to understanding.
We've known him as a sort of mentor to us all and a gifted musician.
We have never written to anyone about a member that is no longer on this forum. It is unprecedented. However, for Ba Midi it is an honor to speak of his being a member here and to remember him with the greatest love.
John you asked so I'm just trying to help... I'm not a good writer but the underlined is
what I would change and where I would write it.
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Re:BA Midid letter discussion
2012/08/24 14:04:12
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Rest in peace BaMidi. Way to circle the wagons guys. Thanks for creating the letter John.
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Re:BA Midid letter discussion
2012/08/24 17:56:14
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I will go over all these great ideas Saturday. I do thank you for the ideas.
I want to also thank CW for their forbearance in allowing these threads to stay in the X1 forum. Their consideration about this has been very helpful. I am grateful to them.
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Re:BA Midid letter discussion
2012/08/24 19:43:11
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Thanks much John-I think it is very thoughtful and caring as is.
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Re:BA Midid letter discussion
2012/08/24 19:44:50
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John, I don't know about the rest but this is your project. It's great that you are taking the time to do it on our behalf. I have complete confidence in you and feel you should word the letter as you see fit. Thanks again.
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Re:BA Midi letter discussion
2012/08/24 20:03:33
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Would you mind adding me to the list please.
Thanks
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Re:BA Midi letter discussion
2012/08/24 20:33:13
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I would be very happy to include all that wish to be on the list. However, it would help me greatly if those that want to be included post the name they wish to appear on the list in the thread meant for that. Rain set the tone there and his example is the best way to get on the list. The other thing is simply asking me in a PM or here to list you without posting your full name leaves me with a dilemma of what name you want listed.  This could very well be my fault in not knowing what name to list but I do not want to list a name that you do not want posted. Remember you all have at least two names. Your real name and your screen name. They could be in fact the same but I don't know this. If you look closely at the list there are a very few that only want their screen name listed. That is accepted completely but I need to know which to use. I sure don't want to make any errors. I hope you all don't see this as nitpicking. It really is an issue that presents a problem. It just occurred to me that a few may not wish to be listed in the BA Midi Letter thread but do want to be listed on the letter. In that case you can PM me but just PM your name as the first thing and no comment unless you want to make a comment. Your name will be included.
post edited by John - 2012/08/24 21:00:04
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Re:BA Midid letter discussion
2012/08/24 20:47:05
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ampfixer
John, I don't know about the rest but this is your project. It's great that you are taking the time to do it on our behalf. I have complete confidence in you and feel you should word the letter as you see fit. Thanks again.
I really appreciate your support on this. I do accept that it is my responsibility. I do not accept that it is my project. I am simply giving voice to the will of the forum. I didn't dream this up but saw it in the BA Midi missing thread. Not articulated perhaps but very much in evidence by what was being posted. The nature of that thread gave me the idea that this is what the forum wanted done. All I did was act on it. You all have underwritten that idea.
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Re:BA Midid letter discussion
2012/08/25 01:22:58
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John
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No objection to awful. The loss of someone IS negative, no matter how we word it.
My thinking exactly.
Hi John and Christian. There is no denying that Billy's passing is very upsetting, but what I was trying to get at with a few words was that putting in negative descriptions would just compound this family's tragedy (reminding them of loss). So, I was merely suggesting to avoid these words so that the letter reads with a more up-lifting sentiment. Do you know where I'm coming from? Billy was a great guy, one of the 'long-time' members who stuck around. He will be missed by many of us. I just wanted to keep focus on what a great person he was while sharing the hurt, encouraging his family and celebrating his life. It was just a suggestion and certainly didn't intend to create any strife. Kind regards, Michael
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Re:BA Midid letter discussion
2012/08/25 01:46:16
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Michael I follow your logic fully. I understand your position. At this point I feel I am not in a position to make a decision on this. I have stated my reasoning and that is all I can do at present. I am open about this. However, I am in favor of keeping it as it is at present.
What I am hoping for are more members offering their advice on this.
I will abide by the consensus. If others have a better solution I will listen.
I do want you to know I think you have raised a valid point and it deserves full consideration. It will get that, I assure you. Don't forget we have some time left before a final decision must be made. I hope you agree with the way this is going.
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Re:BA Midid letter discussion
2012/08/25 01:57:50
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Just my $0.02, hope you don't mind. I was just thinking that his family may even visit this site and read this thread, which may kind of detract from the original intention of the letter which is hopefully to express a spontaneous, heartfelt condolence from the heart. The letter, if you don't mind me saying, is absolutely fine as it is, and its intention and spirit will be greatly appreciated by Billy's family. I just know from prior experience of writing notes of condolence myself, that it's all too easy to sit for hours wondering whether this word or that phrase will have the right effect or be taken the wrong way, or that you've said enough. I had this recently when the child of a Facebook friend died. I sat there with my fingers hovering over the keys, typing things and then deleting them, when in the end I just wrote the simplest of condolences. At times like this it really is the thought that counts.
As a total newcomer to this forum I didn't know Billy at all and had no interaction with him, so really this has little to do with me, but I tell ya, having gone to the guy's apartment building to inquire about him and hearing the super say "I'm sorry sir, he passed away 4 weeks ago" through the intercom really brought home the human element of it and choked me up to be honest, so I've been following the tributes to the guy with interest. I think it's great what you're doing and believe me, whatever wording the letter takes, if it's basically along the lines of how it is now, is going to be absolutely fine.
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Re:BA Midid letter discussion
2012/08/25 09:07:58
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Guitarhacker - Herb Hartley
I would respectfully submit that >> about the awful loss you and we are feeling. << be changed to simply read
...about the loss you and we are feeling.
No need for the adjective.
please add my name to the list, as I read and participated in more than a few discussions and posts over the years.
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Re:BA Midid letter discussion
2012/08/25 09:56:22
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Re:BA Midid letter discussion
2012/08/25 11:27:19
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For all who want their name added to the letter. Please us the link in post number #20.
John needs the help doing it this way. When you see the size of the list you'll understand.
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Re:BA Midid letter discussion
2012/08/25 15:07:34
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I've change my mind on adding the forum address. I will add it at the bottom so they will have an easy time in finding us if the wish to.
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Re:BA Midid letter discussion
2012/08/25 15:17:28
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sharke
Just my $0.02, hope you don't mind. I was just thinking that his family may even visit this site and read this thread, which may kind of detract from the original intention of the letter which is hopefully to express a spontaneous, heartfelt condolence from the heart. The letter, if you don't mind me saying, is absolutely fine as it is, and its intention and spirit will be greatly appreciated by Billy's family. I just know from prior experience of writing notes of condolence myself, that it's all too easy to sit for hours wondering whether this word or that phrase will have the right effect or be taken the wrong way, or that you've said enough. I had this recently when the child of a Facebook friend died. I sat there with my fingers hovering over the keys, typing things and then deleting them, when in the end I just wrote the simplest of condolences. At times like this it really is the thought that counts.
As a total newcomer to this forum I didn't know Billy at all and had no interaction with him, so really this has little to do with me, but I tell ya, having gone to the guy's apartment building to inquire about him and hearing the super say "I'm sorry sir, he passed away 4 weeks ago" through the intercom really brought home the human element of it and choked me up to be honest, so I've been following the tributes to the guy with interest. I think it's great what you're doing and believe me, whatever wording the letter takes, if it's basically along the lines of how it is now, is going to be absolutely fine.
Mind? Of course I don't mind. In fact your post is very helpful. The one point I don't think is true is that if they were to read the threads it would "detract" from the purpose of the letter. If anything it would show just how serious we are and that this effort was not done in haste. That it is in fact from the forum and not from a single member. Also I want to thank you for the effort you made in getting to the truth. Keep in mind that post count means nothing nor is the amount of time spent here of any importance. Its the quality that matters.
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Re:BA Midid letter discussion
2012/08/25 17:55:49
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I agree with Guitarhacker about removing the awful, apart from that I like the letter as is.
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Re:BA Midid letter discussion
2012/08/25 18:18:38
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Telecaster
I agree with Guitarhacker about removing the awful, apart from that I like the letter as is.
I agree remove awful. I would also clarify that we knew him by his forum screen name ba-midi. Considering Billy's age his family may not identify with we knew him as ba-midi.
post edited by rabeach - 2012/08/25 18:47:30
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Re:BA Midid letter discussion
2012/08/25 18:57:01
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John, regardless of any nit-picking on various views on particular wording I'd like to say that your original simply conveyed what we'd all like to express and that you've handled the whole thing sensitively and I'm certainly grateful for the thought and effort you've put into the whole thing.
The intent and meaning is already clear to anyone. Thank you!
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Re:BA Midid letter discussion
2012/08/25 20:07:12
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I am reading every post with due attention. I may not respond to every one simply because I want to hear from more members and I am thinking about all suggestions with care.
Jonbouy your post means the world to me. Thank you. I am indebted to you for that post. It will never be forgotten.
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Re:BA Midid letter discussion
2012/08/26 03:46:09
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John,
Having lost my brother, who was also my best friend, 2 years ago, I became aware that the words of condolence were of less impact than the fact that the person was impacted by the life of my brother and took the time or effort to acknowledge that in any variety of ways. Just the handshake or the hug helped lift and take with them a bit of the sorrow that we felt.
I think that about the only thing you can't say is "I know how you feel" because we never can know what another person is really enduring.
For me the gradual transition in the grieving process is one of moving from the total sense of loss to now being able to remember more of the good times.
I feel that just letting his family and loved ones know, in the manner that you outlined, that he had an impact on us as individuals and that he was one of the treasures of this forum may act as a virtual group hug from all of us.
Thank you for your efforts in co-ordinating this project.
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Re:BA Midid letter discussion
2012/08/26 10:45:17
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Well said, lorney. At my mother's service the most satisfying moments came as a stream of people, some of whom I didn't even know, stepped up to relate how she had influenced their lives. It was nice to know I wasn't the only one who'd be missing her.
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Re:BA Midid letter discussion
2012/08/26 18:06:02
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Notice
I will be working on the BA Midi thread tonight at midnight to finalize it. After that I will no longer add names. If you want your name to appear post it now or before midnight USA EST. If you have any thoughts please post them here now.
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