BCF2000 and Sonar6

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2008/06/30 13:41:16 (permalink)

BCF2000 and Sonar6

Has anyone worked with this combination before? I am having some difficulty setting it up. Here's an overview of what I have done thus far:

1. Uploaded the newest drivers (1.10, etc)
2. Set the device to u-1 mode
3. Opened BCFview and made a link on the desktop
(At this point, BCFview came up as a bland empty blue box, and has remained that way the whole time)
4. Opened Sonar and went to Options then Controllers/Surfaces
5. Added Mackie Control C4-1 and specified both the in and out ports to be the bcf2000

I notice midi activity going on, (the device is plugged into USB). The right light is always red, and the left one moves when I move faders. However, the volume and panning of my tracks are unaffected. Seems like I am almost there, does anyone know what to do to make the bcf2000's volume and panning controls impact that of my tracks?
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    RE: BCF2000 and Sonar6 2008/06/30 14:08:39 (permalink)
    Get thee to the search function. The BCF and it's connection options (Mackie emulation mode especially) has been covered in this forum in DEPTH. In particular pay attention to posts from JesseG, who broke trail on many of the nuances of the BCF in Mackie mode.

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    RE: BCF2000 and Sonar6 2008/06/30 15:42:52 (permalink)
    Okay, I've done some research, and I think one problem is that I haven't set the bcf2000 to emulation mode "MCSo." How do I do this? Every bit of information I've read says it has to be done, but gives no directions on how to do it.
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    RE: BCF2000 and Sonar6 2008/06/30 16:11:22 (permalink)
    Wicked....

    You are going to make me cry with those kind word,...


    Eightmiles,


    Here are just a few tips.

    Setting up: http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.asp?m=656232&mpage=1&key=BCF

    Plugin use: http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.asp?m=879930&mpage=1&key=BCF2000ó–´º

    Using 2 BCF2000: http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.asp?m=717462&mpage=1&key=BCF2000򯊖

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    RE: BCF2000 and Sonar6 2008/06/30 16:36:51 (permalink)
    Thanks for the response... There's still something I'm afraid I'm not getting. This is from the first link.

    "Set up each BCF2000 wiith it's own ID# ( afger putting it into Mackie mode (MCso)for Sonar, turn the fourth pan pot to set the ID number) you will have ID 1 and ID 2. "

    I have figured as much that the fourth button is the mode I want. I have turned the bcf off, then I press and hold the fourth button, and turn it on, while still holding the button. What happens? It says bC, not MCso. What on earth am I doing wrong?
    post edited by EightMilesHigh - 2008/06/30 17:02:58
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    RE: BCF2000 and Sonar6 2008/06/30 17:15:26 (permalink)
    Sorry,

    I gave the wrong link there.


    Here ya go. I copied my previous post, so the drivers may have been updated by now.

    OK start over with the BCF like you just got it out of the box.


    1. Lets place the BCF in U1 mode so look on page 8 of the manual and place it in U1. Forget about using S1 if you just want to use the BCF as a controller.

    2. Please make sure it’s in BC mode. We are doing this so you can update the drivers or make sure the correct ones are there. So, instead of pressing the fourth button for Sonar, press the first button and boot up for BC mode.

    3. Download and install all of the latest updates and drivers for the BCF2000 and install them again.

    ~> First install USB MIDI driver (V 1.1.1.1) for WINDOWS® XP/2000 -http://www.behringer.com/_software/BCF_BCR2000-1.1.1.1.zip (Reboot after)

    ~> Next install the firmware update utility - http://www.behringer.com/_software/Update_Utility.zip
    ~> Then install the 1.10 firmware - http://www.behringer.com/_software/bcf2000_1-10.zip (this takes some time to install. (Reboot after)

    ~> Download this older driver but delete the driver, you will only need the PDF file to view the Sonar controls on the BCF2000 - http://www.behringer.com/BCF2000/bcf2000_107.zip

    4 After rebooting and all updates are done, Place BCF in MCSo mode (4th button while turning in the BCF)

    Now before opening Sonar, install this BCF view, this is like the Mackie Scribble strip. http://www.behringer.com/_software/BCFview.zip
    You will be able to see your ins, outs, tracks, panning, levels, whatever.. by looking at this view. What I do is place the folder in My Docs folder and then create a shortcut and place it on my desktop... It looks like a light bulb.

    Ok, now if we’re all set and the BCF is on, open Sonar and go to Options > Control Surfaces and set up one for the Mackie Control and the BCF midi ports

    Next go to Tools > Mackie Control and set your additional F1 - F8 personal settings and press the three check boxes on the bottom on the right.

    Solo select channel - Solo a channel on the BCF will highlight it in Sonar.
    Fader touch select Channel - Most people cry about not the BCF not being touch sensitive, but they never come here to set it.
    Select Highlights tracks. Basically, clicking on the button above each fader will select and highlight the track in Sonar.

    Ok once set, create a preset name and click on the save disk to keep it. This is the same window you use to add a second BCF by using the Configure layout button, but that's another lesson.


    The best read for the BCF is the Sonar help file while you are in Tools> Mackie Control. Press F1 and read how to use the BCF with Sonar. Follow the instruction for the Mackie and use the PDF file from the discarded V1.07 driver and things should be fine.

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    RE: BCF2000 and Sonar6 2008/06/30 17:33:57 (permalink)
    And that's why you get the kind words! And you don't even use the BCF anymore do you? Truly a gentleman and a scholar.

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    RE: BCF2000 and Sonar6 2008/06/30 21:06:45 (permalink)
    Ok, I now finally am in MNSo mode and have followed the directions exactly. Here's the problem:

    Now before opening Sonar, install this BCF view, this is like the Mackie Scribble strip. http://www.behringer.com/_software/BCFview.zip
    You will be able to see your ins, outs, tracks, panning, levels, whatever.. by looking at this view. What I do is place the folder in My Docs folder and then create a shortcut and place it on my desktop... It looks like a light bulb.


    I installed BCFview, and copied the file(with the light bulb icon) from my unzip software to my desktop. I then opened it, and all it is is a blue rectangular box with nothing in it. Is this typical?

    Ok, now if we’re all set and the BCF is on, open Sonar and go to Options > Control Surfaces and set up one for the Mackie Control and the BCF midi ports


    I went ahead and did this, and the bcf faders moved in a particular way and it now says (I think) Er. The top of the "E" is cut off. I then tried the next step, tools/mackie control, and there are actually six check boxes in the lower right, not three. Am I on the right track?
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    RE: BCF2000 and Sonar6 2008/06/30 21:23:53 (permalink)
    I don't know what happened, but I tried it again, and it now works! I just reinstalled the view and reopened sonar, and the track names appeared in the rectangle with "Pan" underneath each one. Fantastic! Thank you Jesse, the directions were very clear! Now I just have to find out how to mix in real time. What settings do I have to put on to mix in real time?
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    RE: BCF2000 and Sonar6 2008/06/30 22:33:09 (permalink)
    Eight Miles

    I am glad that it worked out for you.




    Wicked,

    You are correct, I use the MCU now and I love it, but the BCF2000 helped me to understand the how the MCU works because of how they perform similar functions

    Plus, I still like to help the BCF newbies out.


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    RE: BCF2000 and Sonar6 2008/06/30 23:05:44 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: Jesse G

    Plus, I still like to help the BCF newbies out.


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    RE: BCF2000 and Sonar6 2008/06/30 23:45:50 (permalink)
    Jesse,

    I'm currently using two BCF2000s in Mackie emulation mode, and I owe YOU a big thank you. I read your posts, followed your directions, and I'm VERY happy with the results.

    You're da man!!!

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    RE: BCF2000 and Sonar6 2008/07/01 12:20:01 (permalink)



    OHhhhh, There is toooo much love in this place!!!!


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    RE: BCF2000 and Sonar6 2008/09/09 11:59:17 (permalink)
    Excuse my ignorance, but is this all still relevant to Sonar Producer 7 and the BCF2000? I've just bought one and can't really seem to find anything that specifically says how to use with Sonar 7.
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    RE: BCF2000 and Sonar6 2008/09/09 12:08:36 (permalink)
    Excuse my ignorance, but is this all still relevant to Sonar Producer 7 and the BCF2000? I've just bought one and can't really seem to find anything that specifically says how to use with Sonar 7.

    sure it is. Ive use d2 or 3 BCF's at one time in sonar 6 and 7. Nothing was changed as far as using the BCF in those 2 programs.
    You need to use it in mackie mode and u you need to connect it via USB, not the 5pin midid for it to work. There's really not much to set up. Just define the midi ins and outs (USB), then define the bcf as a MCS mode in the control surface and add it to the control surface. Its basically 3 steps
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    RE: BCF2000 and Sonar6 2008/09/09 12:14:02 (permalink)
    Thanks CJ, so....just follow Jess's suggestions from above and it should work?
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    RE: BCF2000 and Sonar6 2008/09/09 12:19:28 (permalink)
    Thats how i learned. I followed Jess's instructions.
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    RE: BCF2000 and Sonar6 2008/09/09 14:00:41 (permalink)
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    RE: BCF2000 and Sonar6 - 9/9/2008 1:08:36 PM
    Me too. I did some searches, found Jesse giving direction in a couple places, printed them, and followed them. He'll discuss how to use Mackie emulation, how to use multiple units together, and also how to set up the labeling that numbers and identifies each track.

    They can be used for trax, or easily changed to use with busses. Very useful. Patiently read his directions, and eventually everything will make sense and set up goes fairly smooth.

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