JohnoL
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BIAB 2012.5 now available
I don't ever get the Summer update but I'm always interested in what may be new.
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Re:BIAB 2012.5 now available
2012/08/03 14:03:54
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I've never looked into this software much, really, but wonder about if they might ever update the GUI, and how or if this software might be useful for scoring and generating songwriting ideas. Are there any users out here using this to create new and original music?
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Re:BIAB 2012.5 now available
2012/08/03 15:32:44
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I've never looked into this software much, really, but wonder about if they might ever update the GUI, and how or if this software might be useful for scoring and generating songwriting ideas. Are there any users out here using this to create new and original music?
Yes. it's my "go to" software for helping me create original music. Usually the way I write new music is that I'll bang out a melody for a hook on keyboard. then I'll start creating chords around that. once I've got that done, I'll enter those chords in BIAB and start building the song from there using their different styles and different instruments to help me hear it as I go.
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Re:BIAB 2012.5 now available
2012/08/03 18:16:45
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Re:BIAB 2012.5 now available
2012/08/03 21:32:11
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Which addition would you recommend if I could get any one without actually buying more than I need?
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Re:BIAB 2012.5 now available
2012/08/03 21:40:49
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Are there any users out here using this to create new and original music?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLHoFoRudOM
Recorded live(!), BTW. You still need to know how to play. Winky wink.
Amazing video. Great song. Reading the notes on it, he gives considerable credit to BIOB for expanding his creativity and musical talent. I'm sure I could dive right into something like this and that it would do the same for me- although I'm not sure if it'll make me into an Emerson or Wakeman. This is intriguing, indeed. I like a lot of different styles of music. Does it also cover classical and film scoring types?
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Re:BIAB 2012.5 now available
2012/08/04 00:32:31
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I watched some of the videos and I'm not sure I need something like this, but it could be useful, perhaps. Some people surely think so. The above YouTube video was impressive.
I'm not very impressed with the interface, though. It would probably take some getting used to, because it looks like something that predates my old Amiga 500 Bars and Pipes Professional software- my very first sequencer. :)
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Re:BIAB 2012.5 now available
2012/08/04 01:16:59
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I never could get past the interface either. Yuk.
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Re:BIAB 2012.5 now available
2012/08/04 07:47:38
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Which addition would you recommend if I could get any one without actually buying more than I need?
well, I'm not sure how to answer that because I don't konw what your needs are. I keep up to date with BIAB every year (it releases 2x per year). I always buy the hard drive version of the ultra pack. basically I buy everything you can get in the package without adding extras like the video tutorials and the extra song sets (I don't need any cover songs) and without buying the "audiophile" version. if you're buying it for the first time, the ultra pack is $469. I've spent more than that on upgrades, but I started out with BIAB 11 which was only $100 or something and have upgraded from there. and yes, I agree with you as do MANY others, the GUI is awful and I wish they'd update it. it's also a little "flaky" in use, but it works.
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Re:BIAB 2012.5 now available
2012/08/04 07:52:14
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Don't be fooled by the interface it is an amazingly powerful writing aid with many really advanced features that have never been matched elsewhere. The interface is just a result of the programming environment used to create it and sure it ain't pretty but then you ain't supposed to be going on a date with it... 
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Re:BIAB 2012.5 now available
2012/08/04 11:02:08
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The interface is just a result of the programming environment used to create it and sure it ain't pretty but then you ain't supposed to be going on a date with it...
Ain't that the truth. I asked my BIAB out on numerous dates and it declined EVERY ONE of them.
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Re:BIAB 2012.5 now available
2012/08/04 12:31:03
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also, (especially if you're into standards), some of PG's other products such as the 'the jazz pianist' are really nice.
they had 'the jazz guitarist' at one point. seems to have disappeared though. great stuff in that one too.
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Re:BIAB 2012.5 now available
2012/08/04 22:48:40
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Thanks for the word on the GUI, guys. I always enjoy JonBuoy's straightforward comments.
Yes, it aint pretty at all, and I'd be spending a lot of time with it- more than any date, and the procedures I saw seemed a bit ridiculous and counter intuitive. Nevertheless, it may be all of those things because they're afraid to change it and alienate users that abide by this ridiculous way of doing things.
If, however, the program is truly useful and productive, this may all be worth enduring and navigating through. Even Bapu, has a positive outlook on this ugly beast. With Bapu's trademark endorsement, I can almost be assured of quality. Now if Yoropal or Bitflipper were to give their blessings, there could be no doubt that this is the pure gold of montezuma.
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Re:BIAB 2012.5 now available
2012/08/05 09:13:47
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Are there any users out here using this to create new and original music?
Yup... it is my GO TO songwriting tool. If you go to my web site...select MY MUSIC, and listen to the music there...... well, it's safe to say that just about all of it (99%) was composed using BB to enter the chords and song structure in the writing process. Much of what you hear instrumentally is BB as well. I play guitar and some keys, but the steel, fiddle, dobro, and piano in many cases are BB instruments. The drums and bass in just about every song are BB tracks. It is, without a doubt, my favorite writing tool. It will not write the song for you, but it sure makes it easy to sketch out and try new ideas quickly while the muse is happening. As far as what package do you need or want....? That is totally up to you. They sell everything from the basic to the audiophile version. Friendly folks, who know the product, and live phone tech support. ADD: don't let the GUI fool you. It looks deceptively simple, and in some ways that is a good thing. Being simple, it's easy to learn to work with and it gets the job done. You're not trying to make a pretty looking GUI screen...... it's what the end results sound like that matters most to me. Once you learn a few things about the GUI and how to manipulate the chord chart, you can do some pretty cool and amazing things in the song as a result. Listen to the songs on my website and listen to the fills and little articulations in the music. If you have questions, feel free to PM me. Hope that helps you.
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Re:BIAB 2012.5 now available
2012/08/05 09:49:37
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It looks deceptively simple, Until you pull one of the drop down menus down. Then, lots of head scratching:) Hey Herb. The "paks" are confusing to me. With the "everything pak", do you get everything that is available for BIAB? Thanks
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Re:BIAB 2012.5 now available
2012/08/05 09:58:20
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I think one of the reason for it's "kinder garden gui" was because it was initially being promoted as an educational tool for use in schools and colleges and so wasn't really meant for serious musicians. My brother is a classical guitarist and music teacher who's been telling me for years I should get it. No offence to people who use it but I like my songs to be mine alone. It just seems as bad as sampling in some ways to just throw some chords in to the big music making machine and see what comes out the other end. It has got a lot better though, it used to rely solely on Roland sound canvas for it's instruments but my bro tells me there are real drums now. Steve And as for "new and original music" well it's hardly what you'd call cutting edge
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Re:BIAB 2012.5 now available
2012/08/05 11:01:40
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Tim - the everything pack includes everything except the video tutorials and some of the solo sets. personally I don't use the solo set s at all - that's my job!
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Re:BIAB 2012.5 now available
2012/08/05 11:40:40
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No offence to people who use it but I like my songs to be mine alone. If you mean played only by you, that's cool. But if you think BIAB is in the driver's seat as far as composition, then that is a horse of another story.  Oh wait, you use BFD2 right? Those drum samples were not done by you were they?
It just seems as bad as sampling in some ways to just throw some chords in to the big music making machine and see what comes
out the other end. Uh oh, it's the 1980's all over again.  It has got a lot better though, it used to rely solely on Roland sound canvas for it's instruments but my bro tells me there are real drums now. But I'm 100% positive they are not BFD2 so how can they be "real drums", roight?
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Re:BIAB 2012.5 now available
2012/08/05 12:04:31
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twaddle
No offence to people who use it but I like my songs to be mine alone. If you mean played only by you, that's cool. But if you think BIAB is in the driver's seat as far as composition, then that is a horse of another story. Oh wait, you use BFD2 right? Those drum samples were not done by you were they?
It just seems as bad as sampling in some ways to just throw some chords in to the big music making machine and see what comes
out the other end. Uh oh, it's the 1980's all over again.
It has got a lot better though, it used to rely solely on Roland sound canvas for it's instruments but my bro tells me there are real drums now. But I'm 100% positive they are not BFD2 so how can they be "real drums", roight?
Steve
No, I mean composed arranged, programmed and played by me in the style that is of my own making and as for the drums that come with biab, from what I've heard they are actually quite good. Not as good as BFD2 obviously but I'm easy when it comes to drums I do write/program all my own drums to and never have and never will use loops. Gosh I'm just amazing when I come to think of it  Steve
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Re:BIAB 2012.5 now available
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Re:BIAB 2012.5 now available
2012/08/05 12:14:51
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Even Bapu, has a positive outlook on this ugly beast. With Bapu's trademark endorsement, I can almost be assured of quality. Now if Yoropal or Bitflipper were to give their blessings, there could be no doubt that this is the pure gold of montezuma.
I only endorse the concept. Yes I own it but I honestly have not used it yet. I only plan to use it when I want to write something outside of my comfort zone (i.e. say I really wanted a Country or Jazz like tune... then I'd need a tool like this). I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure bit and myolpal are not users of this "tool".
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Re:BIAB 2012.5 now available
2012/08/05 12:15:47
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Re:BIAB 2012.5 now available
2012/08/05 13:20:42
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No, I mean composed arranged, programmed and played by me in the style that is of my own making I actually feed my own styles into Biab not the other way round, all the styles that come with it are too cheesy IMO. All the arrangements are my own and the progressions I'm after I couldn't actually work out on the keys or guitar, so that's the extent of the job it does for me. Once I've got the arrangement worked out then it's ALL down to me, there's very little, if anything, that comes out of BIAB that ends up in the final project. Some use it to generate final output too and that's OK by me as well, it's a tool just like a guitar is a tool and some also make better use of that one than others do as far as I can tell. Using it for 'cheating' if that is even possible, would be like cheating at solitaire, pointless. BIAB is far from pointless and it has a myriad of uses from generating progressions to providing backing to hone your puritanical traditional musical chops to and about everything in between. You deny yourself a broad view of anything the minute you put blinkers on. Being creative to my mind is being open to possibilities, not limiting them.
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Re:BIAB 2012.5 now available
2012/08/05 13:24:59
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Jonbouy
No, I mean composed arranged, programmed and played by me in the style that is of my own making
I actually feed my own styles into Biab not the other way round See? It's statements like this that also made me buy it. Now when I get the time, I'll need to dig further into what is a 'style' for me BIAB.
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Re:BIAB 2012.5 now available
2012/08/05 13:31:24
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Admittedly I've not spent any time with it and it was quite a few years ago that my brother tried to persuade me I needed it.
His whole selling point though was to say, look you can put the chords to one of your songs in and have it play in a blue grass or reggae style,
to which I replied, why the hell would I want to do that?
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Re:BIAB 2012.5 now available
2012/08/05 14:09:46
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timidi
also, (especially if you're into standards), some of PG's other products such as the 'the jazz pianist' are really nice.
they had 'the jazz guitarist' at one point. seems to have disappeared though. great stuff in that one too.
I still use the jazz guitarist. It won't install on Windows 7 but I got it to work in "virtual mode"
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Re:BIAB 2012.5 now available
2012/08/05 19:42:24
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I don't use it myself, but know some people that do for putting ideas together, instrument practice, etc. In the past I've certainly put together many of my own backing tracks for, for example, practicing guitar, etc. But even simple things can be time consuming... even a simple 8 bar thing involves plugging in a decent midi drum part, layer a bass part, record or loop in some rhythm guitar, an organ or pad, etc... even for an all MIDI backing track, it turns into a an hour, two hours, whatever... Then if I want the same or similar progression in a different style, geez, that's a whole new project... Also, for quick and dirty song writing.... sussing out whole song structures, lyrics, melodies, I can see how it would be very useful...
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Re:BIAB 2012.5 now available
2012/08/06 15:47:47
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twaddle
Admittedly I've not spent any time with it and it was quite a few years ago that my brother tried to persuade me I needed it.
His whole selling point though was to say, look you can put the chords to one of your songs in and have it play in a blue grass or reggae style,
to which I replied, why the hell would I want to do that?
Steve
Good reply, I'd probably make the same one, but as I said that's not what it's about for me.
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Re:BIAB 2012.5 now available
2012/08/06 16:03:37
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Jonbouy
twaddle
Admittedly I've not spent any time with it and it was quite a few years ago that my brother tried to persuade me I needed it.
His whole selling point though was to say, look you can put the chords to one of your songs in and have it play in a blue grass or reggae style,
to which I replied, why the hell would I want to do that?
Steve
Good reply, I'd probably make the same one, but as I said that's not what it's about for me.
I read once about this little group from Liverpool who used to experiment with all types of styles, tempos and time sigs for their songs. Probably just a passing fad, roight?
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Re:BIAB 2012.5 now available
2012/08/06 17:28:45
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Jonbouy
twaddle
Admittedly I've not spent any time with it and it was quite a few years ago that my brother tried to persuade me I needed it.
His whole selling point though was to say, look you can put the chords to one of your songs in and have it play in a blue grass or reggae style,
to which I replied, why the hell would I want to do that?
Steve
Good reply, I'd probably make the same one, but as I said that's not what it's about for me.
I read once about this little group from Liverpool who used to experiment with all types of styles, tempos and time sigs for their songs. Probably just a passing fad, roight?
Yes I believe they used some new fangled piece of machinery that was apparently in great abundance at the time, think it was called a FABtabulous talent machine or something like that. Then Mick Jagger got hold of one and all hell broke loose Steve
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