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Re:BUSING QUESTION
2010/09/17 12:30:12
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I think if we look at it as all routings wind up going to the master buss that may make it clearer. You can have any number of "sub buses" that will at some point output to the master buss. One can make this as complicated or as simple as they wish. Also some do use multiple "master buses" for various reasons one being surround sound. But stems are often used for motion pictures and video reasons. In this setup the need for a single master buss is often not required.
For ease of mix down I use a single master buss as my source for export of a stereo file. All signals go to it however they get there; to that one master buss.
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Re:BUSING QUESTION
2010/09/17 12:38:06
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I should also add that there are lots of ways to use busing. In one large project I have it has more buses then it has tracks. There is no right way to work with buses but there are fairly standard ways to work with them that have proved useful over the years.
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Re:BUSING QUESTION
2010/09/17 13:02:28
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ba_midi
Wicked, I suspect you didn't read my post fully. Yes, the Rythmn Section (Ryt Section) Bus goes to the Master Bus.
Um, well then doesn't that make the whole point moot? To me, using a bus as a subgroup master or having one more bus to hop through doesn't change the fact that all the audio is getting funnelled through a master bus. Sheesh man, go nuts!
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Re:BUSING QUESTION
2010/09/17 13:28:01
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ba_midi
Wicked, I suspect you didn't read my post fully. Yes, the Rythmn Section (Ryt Section) Bus goes to the Master Bus.
Um, well then doesn't that make the whole point moot? To me, using a bus as a subgroup master or having one more bus to hop through doesn't change the fact that all the audio is getting funnelled through a master bus. Sheesh man, go nuts!
Haha, well, I am nuts :P But, again - this is not a new technique. From my early days working in some of the top NYC major studio to today working in DAWs, "sub-bussing" is (and probably always will be) an often used technique. But yes - the MASTER BUS is, and probably always will be, the final destination to the Mains :)
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Re:BUSING QUESTION
2010/09/17 14:36:11
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Oh for sure, I'm not contradicting you. The great thing about buses is that if for some reason you need to break out another level of elements you can easily do that. I thought you were saying that your subs and, er, sub-subs sidestep a "master" go straight to the audio outs. Which, again, wouldn't be wrong either.
An example I use all the time: percussion. I route those to a PERC bus, but then they also flow into my DRUMS sub bus (well, usually anyway). But if they're not mixing well into that I just route them to the MASTER and tweak my processing.
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Re:BUSING QUESTION
2010/09/17 17:04:15
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Hey brotehr I wasnt downing you. "We" music makers meant you too lol. I was agreeing with CJAY on everything to buss. Look up my posts dude. Im a helper here, not a basher- Your question was legit- Best, LJ hey ya i know CJ. you are a great helper. i should be apologizing for letting my thorns get alittle too pointy. its just not needed. but your Golden Tough i see! you can guitar smash me, it will be ok. i owe you one. hey, ive done all kinds of experimental busing just to see what Sonar and digital stuff will do getting stacked on top of stacking on top of more stacking and even bazaar sub mixes with opposite eq'ed cloned sister sandwiches.. my conclusion is: simple is better for live, and mixing down is hard work man. i shouldnt even be talking here because im never satisfied with mine. ..just with my live sound. lol but i am here to find that magic wand. 
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Re:BUSING QUESTION
2010/09/17 17:47:50
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DSProductionz
To everyone who posted thanks for the entertaining debate from my very simple question... Hehehehhe! I had no idea I would ruffle up so many feather asking this.
Simple questions are hardest to answer. There is no such thing as "you should" here - this is the freeway - everything is possible, and the dumbest questions leads us on new paths. I'm (because of your question) for the first time trying to route my 9 effect busses to the same bus, before the master bus ..... A little bit of destortion on the mastereffect bus, and ......
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Re:BUSING QUESTION
2010/09/17 23:17:35
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for the first time trying to route my 9 effect busses to the same bus, before the master bus ..... A little bit of destortion on the mastereffect bus, and .... well what did you get? i listened to your vignett mp3 and i surely like how you mixed in that talking guitar wah part...that was too cool. you have alot of dimension in your mix Trallala.
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Re:BUSING QUESTION
2010/09/17 23:58:21
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Re:BUSING QUESTION
2010/09/18 00:16:16
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Re:BUSING QUESTION
2010/09/18 00:43:23
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Peter J
bus or buss?
Only my opinion: Bus = single bus. Busses = plural (more than one). It's very American though lol
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Re:BUSING QUESTION
2010/09/18 00:51:27
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Who here road the little bus?
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Re:BUSING QUESTION
2010/09/18 01:41:47
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CJaysMusic
Who here road the little bus?
I tend to ride it during a mix :P
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Re:BUSING QUESTION
2010/09/18 02:30:07
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Did they make you wear a crash helmet?
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Re:BUSING QUESTION
2010/09/18 05:50:52
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Haha, I just know that "buses" doesn't trigger my spell check.
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Re:BUSING QUESTION
2010/09/18 08:27:12
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When I was in Nashville for a while, we'all called 'em Two Bus - the final to the HW outs was a Two Bus - I still use that term today...
You say potato I say potato ....
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Re:BUSING QUESTION
2010/09/18 09:12:53
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Re:BUSING QUESTION
2010/09/18 09:31:24
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Peter J
bus-ted.
I thought your name was Peter? 
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Re:BUSING QUESTION
2010/09/18 10:41:35
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Sounds like the folks on this thread have had too much Magic Bus
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Re:BUSING QUESTION
2010/09/18 13:09:33
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DonM
When I was in Nashville for a while, we'all called 'em Two Bus - the final to the HW outs was a Two Bus - I still use that term today...
You say potato I say potato ....
-D
Many still call the Master Bus to the Mains Out the "2 Bus" or "Stereo Bus", etc. Lots of names, so little time ;)
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Re:BUSING QUESTION
2010/09/18 13:10:57
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Beagle
Peter J
bus-ted.
I thought your name was Peter?
/me throws a pie at Beagle lol
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Re:BUSING QUESTION
2010/09/18 13:12:26
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Sijel
Sounds like the folks on this thread have had too much Magic Bus
Or not enough ;)
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Re:BUSING QUESTION
2010/09/18 13:44:15
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TracePercussion
Hey brotehr I wasnt downing you. "We" music makers meant you too lol. I was agreeing with CJAY on everything to buss. Look up my posts dude. Im a helper here, not a basher- Your question was legit- Best, LJ
hey ya i know CJ. you are a great helper.
i should be apologizing for letting my thorns get alittle too pointy.
its just not needed.
but your Golden Tough i see!
you can guitar smash me, it will be ok.
i owe you one.
hey, ive done all kinds of experimental busing just to see what Sonar and
digital stuff will do getting stacked on top of stacking on top of more stacking
and even bazaar sub mixes with opposite eq'ed cloned sister sandwiches..
my conclusion is: simple is better for live, and mixing down is hard work man.
i shouldnt even be talking here because im never satisfied with mine.
..just with my live sound. lol
but i am here to find that magic wand.
Cool man haha. I just wanted to make sure you know I mean nothing negative v toward ya. I dont care what ba_midi says about ya! hahahjajajahaha
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Re:BUSING QUESTION
2010/09/18 13:51:56
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Beagle
Peter J
bus-ted.
I thought your name was Peter?
/me throws a pie at Beagle lol
/me ducks and eats the pie that lands on the floor. well, what do you expect? after all, I'm a beagle... 
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Re:BUSING QUESTION
2010/09/18 14:12:48
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Many still call the Master Bus to the Mains Out the "2 Bus" or "Stereo Bus", etc. Lots of names, so little time ;) It seems to me that the people that refer to it as the 2 bus come from a PT mentality so I will stick with master buss thank you. Besides a stereo bus is a London bus. Its got two decks. A stereo buss is OK though and not an import. Then there is court ordered busing. I don't think any one here will go for that; not on my mixer anyway.
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Re:BUSING QUESTION
2010/09/18 14:40:12
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John
Many still call the Master Bus to the Mains Out the "2 Bus" or "Stereo Bus", etc. Lots of names, so little time ;)
It seems to me that the people that refer to it as the 2 bus come from a PT mentality so I will stick with master buss thank you. Besides a stereo bus is a London bus. Its got two decks. A stereo buss is OK though and not an import. Then there is court ordered busing. I don't think any one here will go for that; not on my mixer anyway.
Yeah, I prefer Taxis anyway ;P
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Re:BUSING QUESTION
2010/09/18 14:58:13
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I think we need to get more BUS-Y makin music! lmao
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Re:BUSING QUESTION
2010/09/18 16:11:14
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Lanceindastudio
I think we need to get more BUS-Y makin music! lmao
I am, I am! :P
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Re:BUSING QUESTION
2010/09/19 13:20:34
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Lance ....I dont care what ba_midi says about ya! hahahjajajahaha
me neither. hahahaha!
..listening to your site player now BA.
neato!
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get that chick from cirque du solei
to sing on top of that one.
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