Backing up multiple HDDs

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2011/09/21 09:52:35 (permalink)

Backing up multiple HDDs


  Like a lot of you I have two HDDs in my computer. One for the boot OS and my Sonar programs files ,in my case Win7 64 bit. Another was intended for streaming samples and additional content like .fxb files and also stores my Sonar bundle files. I occasionally copy those files onto yet another drive in case of drive failure.

 I had decided to take my disk backup seriously in case of failure and was about to go with a  RAID 1 system. Althopugh RAID 1 is a great way to build in trouble free redundancy should one drive fail,it still has a few flaws. One of those is if you get a computer virus it gets copied across both drives......now you have double trouble. Another is backing up two HDDs. To do that you will need more than one RAID system. This all starts to get complicated really fast,and lets face it, most serious DAW users have at least two HDDs,especially those streaming huge Kontakt files or any other large streaming instument.

 So I am looking for the best way to comletely copy two HDDS with minimal hassle. Last night I made another image backup file to a 500gb external usb drive. I found out for the first time that the backup program included in Win7 allows me to backup both my C AND my D drive in the same operation and at the same time.

 How does this work in actual use if one drive fails? If I backup for C & D drives to an image and I lose my C drive, will the backup image only rebuild C drive? or will it try to rebuild both drives?or if I loose my file drive and my boot drive is intact, is the application smart enough to know which drive needs rebuilt?

 Even though there are two drives,I operate as if they are one so I need them both.

 

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    Jim Roseberry
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    Re:Backing up multiple HDDs 2011/09/21 10:28:12 (permalink)
    Using a backup image file (from True Image or similar -that includes both the Boot and Audio HDs), you can choose what to restore.  So you could just restore the Boot HD... or just restore the Audio HD... or (obviously) both.
    I'd use a backup image file to backup your Boot HD.
    To backup the Audio HD, I'd just drag/drop to an external drive.  A docking station makes this particularly easy.
    If you're talking about backing up individual projects, DVD/RW or BDR are good options. 
    Burning optical discs is too slow/tedious for backing up full (large) HDs...

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    Re:Backing up multiple HDDs 2011/09/21 10:50:27 (permalink)
     Thanks for your help Jim. I am glad the imager gives you a choice there. I'll put your advice into practice!

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    Re:Backing up multiple HDDs 2011/09/21 14:44:43 (permalink)
    I use True Image, it's not expensive and does everything you could possibly want it to.

    I have mine set up to image to another internal drive every week, just before I run my weekly Windows update, then if there's a problem I can roll back. Paranoia is healthy yeah?

    I also backup to an external drive to take away once a month, am I paranoid?

    It's also handy to take an image once you've done a clean install of OS and programs, then if anything goes really pete tong you've got a real quick way of getting back to a clean starting point.

    OK I'm paranoid, and I'm just a home hobby type of guy, I can't believe the number of 'pros' I've seen posts from on here that don't have images to fall back on.

    If/when I start doing this for a living I'll be imaging overnight, every night. Yep completely paranoid......
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    Re:Backing up multiple HDDs 2011/09/21 20:00:59 (permalink)
    Probably the best bet for not getting a virus is to never let your DAW see the internet. In that case RAID 1 (or mirroring) disks is a good backup solution, however, it is a one disk to one disk solution and a bit less flexible when you need more space.  

    If you want to be super safe with backups, plus easily add more storage space, you might want to look into a RAID5 or RAID6 system. RAID5 and RAID6 stripe the data across multiple disks in an array plus add parity bits to the data (the parity bits is used to rebuild lost data). RAID5 uses single parity and if a disk fails in the array, that disk can be phically replaced and the data can be recreated throught the parirty bits and information striped across the other disks. Unfortunately, the performance of the system takes a hit until the missing disk is fully replaced. A RAID6 uses double parity which will allow rebuilding of the data if two drives to fail in the array.

    Personally, since disks are so cheap these days, I mirror everything and not worry about RAID stuff. I have a USB to SATA adaptor and a bunch of external 1 TB drives. I use Acronis to mirror my boot disk and I recreate the image after any major upgrade (I also make a second backup to another external disk to give me an additiona backup (I also keep one older image back just in case). For my data disks or client disks, I copy the data from the DAW to external disks each day (or whenever something additional is recorded.
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    Re:Backing up multiple HDDs 2011/09/21 20:28:29 (permalink)
     gibsongs you seem to have all of your bases covered and then some........I was sold on RAID but am rethinking mirroring. I am able to do it with no other software just backup in my win7. Do you use a streaming drive in addition to your Boot drive?

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    Re:Backing up multiple HDDs 2011/09/21 22:27:30 (permalink)
    If you have a Western Digital hard drive, you can get true image free from WD. check their site.
    As far as backup goes, I just keep copies of one drive on other drive(s) on the same computer. 

    I'm pretty sure that the only way I'd lose anything is if the computer got stolen. But, I guess that is a possibility.  
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    Re:Backing up multiple HDDs 2011/09/22 06:40:54 (permalink)
    I used to have a RAID 1 setup but it corrupted after a Windows update.  As I have Acronis True Image, I went back to a non RAID configuration and just do regular full hard drive backups to a separate hard drive.  As someone mentioned I also do periodic full hard drive backups to a USB connected drive that I can keep in my safe. 

    Just remember, backups are not for IF they are ever needed, they are for WHEN they are needed. Use this adage and "be afraid be very afraid".

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    Re:Backing up multiple HDDs 2011/09/22 08:59:52 (permalink)
    Hi,

    I don't do any streaming to additional drives. So there is some possibliity of loosing something if my data disk should fail as I am recording (or before I do a backup - and this is where a RAID system would save you). I have not had this happen but it could. I make sure I do a copy of my data disk(s) after I add any new data (recordings) or my OS disk if I install something new. Having a backup of the previous OS disk allows me to go back to a good install if I find that the latest install has problems that I didn't see initially. Doing copies of everything takes time, and you need to set up and you need to do a new on on your data disk, but I usually set up my backups when I am heading off to dinner or to bed and I have a nice feeling when I come back to the DAW and see the "Backup completed Successfully" message :-)

    As Firebird suggests it is not a question of if you will ever need a backup, but when.
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