Backup strategies

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2015/06/11 06:26:59 (permalink)

Backup strategies

What backup strategy do you use?
 
Examples:
Do you have an external hard drive that you move from computer to computer?
Do you have an extra internal hard drive for each computer?
Do you keep two extra copies of your important files in to physical locations?
Do you use an external RAID so you can either add more storage as needed or redundancy built in?
Do you use a backup service?
 
I have an external hard drive that I move from computer to computer but it no longer holds all my files so I need more space and I am trying to decide which way to go.
 
It seems like no matter how big of a drive you get, it will fill up, especially if you have multiple computers.
 
An external service seems convenient but what if they go out of business? I suppose you could just find a new one and for a short time be exposed.
 
Thanks

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    fireberd
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    Re: Backup strategies 2015/06/11 06:35:01 (permalink)
    For my main pc, which is dual boot Win 7/Win 8.1 with separate SSD drives, I have an internal Hard drive that I alternate backups between that drive and an external USB connected drive.  I use Macrium Reflect (paid version) and do full drive backups when I back up.
     
    I have my Sonar projects on a separate hard drive.  I backup projects from that hard drive to the USB connected drive.  This is a one for one copy, I don't use Macrium for that.
     
    On my backup PC, which is also dual boot Win 7/Win 8.1, I use Macrium and do full drive backups to a USB connected drive.  I don't do backups to two different drives as this is only a backup for my DAW PC and if something were to happen I really haven't lost anything other than the time to reinstall everything.
     
     

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    maximumpower
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    Re: Backup strategies 2015/06/12 06:35:54 (permalink)
    Thank you for the reply

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    Re: Backup strategies 2015/06/12 09:42:45 (permalink)
    I image the DAW C: drive to an external (USB) drive.
     
    I sync/copy my projects to the same USB drive.
     
    I need to implement a cloud strategy for that ~1TB of data.
     
    All my downloads are archived to a separate NAS (~600GB) or are on purchased hard drives i.e. Soundsonline, NI's K10U, BIAB.
     
    I really do need to get a 2TB or > cloud storage account setup.
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    Re: Backup strategies 2015/06/13 07:35:47 (permalink)
    With doing local backups, I worry about having enough HD space and keep track of everything. With a cloud service, I worry about them going out of business.
     
    I found an online service that is only $29/yr but then how long will they be around?
     
    I was thinking at a minimum I would image my drive prior to Windows 10. I have a 500GB drive for data backup now but it is too small for our growing family of computers with photos, music, etc... 
     
    I like the idea of getting an external shell, then buying hard drives to put in it. That way you can use RAID configurations.
     
    ...But then I like the cloud idea for the convenience.
     
    Decisions, decisions.
     
    Thanks!

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    Re: Backup strategies 2015/06/13 09:11:39 (permalink)
    Projects recorded to SSD.

    SSD then copied over to internal HDD (PC) or external USB3 HDD (Mac).

    Further copies then made to network accessible storage, with a final copy to 2TB USB drive connected to NAS.

    Then clear SSD to recover space if needed.

    I don't use remote cloud storage because I like to know where my data is and what it is doing. Also copying large quantities of data to internet storage is a slow process. Finally it's much cheaper to buy 2TB external drives than to hire anything like that amount of remote storage. Once the drive attached to the NAS is full (or if we're going away) it gets relocated to a more secure location just to be on the safe side.

    The principle is that data which exists in only one place is transient and could vanish at any time if the drive fails. When I ran HDDs in RAID 0 I was even more paranoid. But I've seen hard drives fail and also seen people I know lose important data when a drive fails without warning. Including a friend who lost their entire Master's research thesis, both the final version and all the drafts, along with all the data it was based on a couple of weeks before it was due to be printed off and handed in. Did they have a backup? Yes, but on the same drive as the "working" data set. Duh!

    Once upon a time I burned backups to CD then as the technology became available, DVD. Nowadays I just use external HDDs because they're cheap and at least as reliable as DVDs burned from an optical computer drive and far faster to work with.

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    Re: Backup strategies 2015/06/13 10:37:32 (permalink)
    I run a nightly job to local NAS.  No compression or anything else.  Just folders and their files so they're readable by any machine without needing to do anything special

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    Re: Backup strategies 2015/06/13 10:39:13 (permalink)
    It's also been said (wisely) if you don't have offsite backup (as a third copy) then you don't really have a backup.
     
    That's the part that scares me. Having an external HDD copy (as I do) is great when the main drive fails. But what if a power surge knocks out all the storage in my home? That's where my strategy fails. Further if there is fire that destroys my home what good is my backup strategy if all backups where in my home?
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    Re: Backup strategies 2015/06/13 12:31:18 (permalink)
    These are all good point which is why I am asking.
     
    Thanks for all the responses!

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    Re: Backup strategies 2015/06/13 18:24:15 (permalink)
    bapu
    It's also been said (wisely) if you don't have offsite backup (as a third copy) then you don't really have a backup.
     
    That's the part that scares me. Having an external HDD copy (as I do) is great when the main drive fails. But what if a power surge knocks out all the storage in my home? That's where my strategy fails. Further if there is fire that destroys my home what good is my backup strategy if all backups where in my home?




    Good points Bapu, but when the insurance cost is greater than the value of the item ...
     
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    Re: Backup strategies 2015/06/13 19:01:51 (permalink)
    Value is in the eye of the beholder.
     
    My songs, samples and VSTs are invaluable to me.
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    Re: Backup strategies 2015/06/22 16:46:51 (permalink)
    bapu
    Value is in the eye of the beholder.
     
    My songs, samples and VSTs are invaluable to me.


    Hear hear! Mine are too, just not to anybody else. By the way, I listened to some of your music, really nice stuff, Bapu!
     
    I use simple Windows Image Backup (Windows 8.1) to an external 2TB USB disk drive, a Seagate thing. I schedule a nightly backup which works well since my PC is never powered down.
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    Re: Backup strategies 2015/07/18 17:23:26 (permalink)
    After getting those reminder tweets from Craig Anderton every month about backing up, I finally upgraded my system and now have backups.
     
    It is not that I did not have backups at all but nothing I could easily restore from should something go wrong.
     
    Not that anyone should care but I thought I would post because 1) I am excited about my upgrade and backups; 2) as a reminder that if you are not backing up, you should and 3) SSDs are pretty nice. If you were on the fence, do it!!!
     
    I took the opportunity to split my system and data drives, as well as upgrading to an SSD as the system drive.
     
    I was concerned about fitting everything on it because I use my computer for everything and have a lot of stuff on it. I purchased a 500GB (the marketing GB) but it really is 465GB formatted. I moved all my data and migrated various program profiles to my new data drive and was able to get my system size down to 122GB of the 465GB SSD. And that is after years of installing, uninstalling, Windows 7 -> 8 -> 8.1 upgrade in place, driver installs, etc...
     
    I really should have done this a long time ago. My computer is several years old but it feels like a brand new machine!
     
    As far as hardware, I went with a Samsung 500GB SSD and a Western Digital Black 2TB drive for data. I also have a 3TB WD Red to backup my data. I will use an older drive to backup the system drive. I purchased the Acronis software for backing up but I am returning it because of all the negative posts I have read about the latest release. I am not even installing it. I should have read up on it first. lol  I ended up using AOMEI (free) for backup as well as cloning the system. It all went very smooth.
     
    The WD Black HDD is soooo fast. I was able to access data quicker on it over USB than from my internal SATA drive (WD Blue). It may have already been dying, I don't know. Once I got everything back up and running, I loaded the Sonar mixing tutorial program and it loads off the new WD Black drive many times faster than it ever did off my old drive.
     
    Thank you Craig for the reminders and thank you everyone who posted on the advice and encouragement :-)

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    Re: Backup strategies 2015/07/18 23:39:08 (permalink)
    6 HDDs
    HDD1: System
    HDD2: Saves
    HDD3: Libraries 1
    HDD4: Libraries 2
    HDD5: Library Backup
    HDD6: Plugin backup/Save Backup/Misc
     
    Saves to HDD2/HDD6, then to OneDrive. You get unlimited storage on OneDrive when you have an MS Office 365 account which costs I think $7/mo for one computer or $12/mo for up to 3 or 5, can't remember which.
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    Re: Backup strategies 2015/07/19 20:24:21 (permalink)
    Desktop is mirrored RAID.
    I back up via Acronis to a Synology NAS (via LAN cable) which is running RAID 5.
    I backup the NAS to an external USB hard drive.

    (Edited I missed something).
    post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/07/20 12:43:39

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    Re: Backup strategies 2015/07/20 11:37:16 (permalink)
    anyone use Carbonite for cloud backup?
     
     
    or Mozy?
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