Backup vs. clone ...favorite backup program?

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2012/04/06 08:58:19 (permalink)

Backup vs. clone ...favorite backup program?

HI.. I see someone did some research on here and decided to go with Acronis for backing up their system and programs. I have a question.. if you have say, 300 gigs of system and programs and files and samples and you want to back that up, and some program makes an image to archive.  You will need 300 gigs of space to put that right?  
  I was just going to clone my hard drive as a backup.  
  My concern with "backup software" is that like the guy that liked Acronis.. he didn't even want to install it on his computer probably because its just another program to clutter the registry. So he was running it off of the recovery disk. 
    thanks if any of you with experience could share your  insight that makes you really like your backup program 

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    slartabartfast
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    Re:Backup vs. clone ...favorite backup program? 2012/04/06 13:18:47 (permalink)
    Generally, the image is smaller than the data it contains, because there is some compression done.
     
    A drive image is a very bad way to backup your data for one very important reason. An image is a single gigantic file that can be used to restore the state of the drive/partition. Like any file it is subject to corruption due to media failure etc. If it is corrupted then your data is all gone. Less important reasons include the fact that most images are in a proprietary format, and in the future you may not be able to restore or extract data without access to the same program that you used to create it. You may have lost that program, or it may not be compatible with your new hardware/operating system etc. It is also not easy to extract a single file, although most commercial imaging software will let you view and copy the files within the image. But if you change a file and want to backup a copy of the new file, you do not want to have to image the whole drive again to do that. Backups of a file are ideally the file itself copied in its native format. An image is useful to copy a working system (OS programs settings etc.).
     
    Backup programs (and to my knowledge Acronis includes a backup feature) copy single files, and typically can compare versions of files to see if the file has changed since the last backup. That saves time and storage space since each version is stored only once. Most also store the backups in proprietary compressed format by default. Large file backup storage and proprietary formats are vulnerable for the same reason that a drive image is a bad way to back things up. Given the huge amount of storage available now, it is foolish to committ your data to proprietary compression to save a couple of gigabytes on your backup drive.
     
    I use Cobian Backup without compression.
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    Re:Backup vs. clone ...favorite backup program? 2012/04/06 13:36:47 (permalink)
    i HIGHLY recommend a full image of your OS both on an external drive and back up DVDs.
     
    we use Paragon for both Complete image recovery and incremental back up of the OS
    it can also be used to back up your audio data.
    it can also be automated, it can back up to the network or external drives. Acronis is simular but not sure on the auto back up part
    when we used it yrs ago it did not..

    the guy who didnt want to install Acronis, like really? i love a lean system but thats beyond absurd even if you have a small SSD for an OS. its footprint is small and the reg entries no ill effect..
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    Re:Backup vs. clone ...favorite backup program? 2012/04/06 13:45:58 (permalink)
     Programs like Acronis make images that are much smaller than the original drive size. Acronis True Image offers cloud backup in addition to the regular imager although for an extra fee. Maybe this is an added reason to buy it or maybe not.

     Sorry slartabartfast but I have gone over to the dark side lol. I decided that in the interest of simplicity and time savings I would back up using Acronis True Image.

     I remember the post you mention Paul. It is no problem to make a startup disk. Having said that I had already loaded the program onto my computer and I haven't noticed any real cpu hogs. The footprint seems small and unobtrusive. I can use one single 500 gb. drive to image both C and D drives with plenty of space left over.

     Any file has the possibility of corruption later on. Maybe the chances are greater with an image? I'm not sure. To be safe there is nothing stopping you from making the same image on different drives. Then you have redundancy built in . Backing up to a cloud means that if a tornado comes along and wipes out your computer and all of your drives, you still have the cloud image. There is risk with any method I suppose. Who knows where the cloud has it backed up? In this case though, there is likely also redundancy.

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    Re:Backup vs. clone ...favorite backup program? 2012/04/06 20:25:22 (permalink)
    Any file has the possibility of corruption later on. Maybe the chances are greater with an image?

     
    Certainly a very large file has a greater chance of losing a critical sector/bit than a small file. But the issue is not so much that a single file will become corrupted as that a very large image file corruption takes with it all of the smaller files that it contains. If a single small file in native format is lost, that is all the data you lose. If an image file craps out you may lose hundreds or thousands of files.
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    Re:Backup vs. clone ...favorite backup program? 2012/04/07 10:31:32 (permalink)
    Cloning takes a little longer but is simpler. I clone the entire drive. Use Syntor every evening to keep data up to date and re-clone maybe once a month depending on how many new programs I've installed.

    Every so often I boot off the clone drive and update windows files.

    The good news with this is that if your drive fails you are two minutes from being up and running again on the clone.

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    Re:Backup vs. clone ...favorite backup program? 2012/04/07 19:44:25 (permalink)
    Monthly: clone the OS disk.
     
    Preparation:
     
    Run a thorough/complete disk scan
     
    Install all windows updates, update java, flash, adobe reader,....
     
    Re-Start computer
     
    If all is working properly:
     
    Disable hibernate file:    elevated cmd prompt: powercfg /h off
    Disable pagefile
         Restart computer
     
    Use windows explorer to verify lack of page file, delete if exists
      ( tools  options   show hidden files, show system files.)
     
    Review downlaod folder to delete unneeded files.
    Review recycle bin for any needed files.


    Disk clean up:
        Delete all but the recent restore points
        Delete all files
     
    Open all browsers and delete temp files.
     
    Since disk clean-up leaves stuff from the last 7 days:
        Navigate to windows temp,  delete all files possible
        Navigate to users temp folder and  delete all files possible
     
    Use Auslogics defrag to defrag and optimize, set to move OS files to front of disk
      Repeat until nothing to do
     
    Run backup app
     
    When done, enable hibernate, enable pagefile, be happy
     
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