spacey
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Bad times...
yesterday I sat through a conference call about company business. I walked out. The story of how bad the economy is (world market) and cost cutting was just more than I wanted to hear. At least coming from the mouths of those that line their pockets while making waste of everything around them. Their idea of "cost cutting" isn't controlling their stupidity- it's get rid of the working man and it was nothing more than a re-run of the same ol song and dance. Monday will start the swinging of the axe and heads will roll...to keep those least deserving healthy to run their mouths and line their pockets. Since they are idiots that do the swinging nobody is safe from their planned 3 day madness.
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Re: Bad times...
2013/06/27 10:41:56
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spacey yesterday I sat through a conference call about company business. I walked out. The story of how bad the economy is (world market) and cost cutting was just more than I wanted to hear. At least coming from the mouths of those that line their pockets while making waste of everything around them. Their idea of "cost cutting" isn't controlling their stupidity- it's get rid of the working man and it was nothing more than a re-run of the same ol song and dance. Monday will start the swinging of the axe and heads will roll...to keep those least deserving healthy to run their mouths and line their pockets. Since they are idiots that do the swinging nobody is safe from their planned 3 day madness.
I totally get where you're coming from man. The corporate world is the bane of civilization AFAIK.. ok maybe a bit dramatic, but you get the picture. I have been through the exact same scenerio multiple times where I work. I am sickened by it. I have finally thrown my arms up in disgust at SR management as they have continued to jerk us around endlessly. The only reason I stay is that I am 3 years away from early retirement. Nothing else I could go do will pay me what I make. Each day is a major challenge anymore. I go in, I do the best work I can do so I can still look myself in the mirror, then I walk out and mutter -1 Spacey I hope you are not adversely affected by this. Dave
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Re: Bad times...
2013/06/27 10:57:53
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Good luck to both of you and everyone--since this is a global problem. I'm very familiar with the situation.
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Re: Bad times...
2013/06/27 10:58:31
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Sorry to hear about this. Corporate greed is a very ugly thing and the working man/woman are the ones who pay the price. I hope the Eye of Sauron passes you by.
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spacey
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Re: Bad times...
2013/06/27 11:08:12
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Dave you don't work down the hall from me do you? LOL I'm 4 years away...if it's done my way. No I'm not adversely affected. I have evaluated the system and the peoples actions and believe it to be a very accurate determination of not only business conduct but unethical conduct. Of course my idea of ethics is much different than corporates. I am affected none the less. I see wrong and would like to be able to make it right and can't. I will see people hurt and can't protect them...nor myself. I see people out of control with controlling power. Fortunately I'm in a position in life that I don't have to be a bobble head to bozos to protect my welfare and smart enough to know that speaking sense or reason for my views with those is a waste of time. History has shown that they have their song and dance routine and I'm satisfied not to be in their show. A victim in the audience is all I can handle and obviously from yesterdays performance I won't tolerate it for long and may not have to ever witness another. I did shock a few but they can get over it...or not. Thanks Bubba and Jan. Yep, didn't figure I was alone in knowing all to well about the corporate world.
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Re: Bad times...
2013/06/27 11:18:48
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spacey Dave you don't work down the hall from me do you? LOL I'm 4 years away...if it's done my way. No I'm not adversely affected. I have evaluated the system and the peoples actions and believe it to be a very accurate determination of not only business conduct but unethical conduct. Of course my idea of ethics is much different than corporates.
HA!! yeah that's ME jumping up and down with my finger in the air... LOL ethics. key word there. Corporate America has little to no ethics. That is exactly part of what I alluded to earlier. I struggle greatly with that too.
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Re: Bad times...
2013/06/27 12:10:01
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Spacey, I'd be curious what your company has as it's published mission statement.
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Re: Bad times...
2013/06/27 12:24:10
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Edit: meh
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spacey
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Re: Bad times...
2013/06/27 12:24:38
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bapu Spacey, I'd be curious what your company has as it's published mission statement.
After the 3rd it may not matter what I say about them. Until then "opinion" is safe and I've given that. In truth the company that I started with that made it well into the black was bought up by a company that was well into the red and facing many serious legal battles. We had money and they wanted it. Being large enough to throw their power around they did. When the dust settled they had spent the money and the courts ordered all employees to complete quarterly ethic coursed for ten years. We take tests for the crimes they committed...by court order mind you. They paid that particular CEO over 8 million to leave. There have been a few more after him since then that made off very well indeed. (they too were paid to leave) Published Mission Statement...shut my mouth.
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Re: Bad times...
2013/06/27 12:32:25
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Beepster Hopefully the young people who started out their adult lives in the midst of this latest economic crash will start steering away from the current ways of vulture capitalism and more toward sustainable business/commerce. The lessons of the Great Depression had been lost to history. Now that we've repeated those mistakes and suffered the consequences perhaps we will see a rebuild similar to the one that happened in the mid 1900s. Capitalist countries thrive when there is a healthy middle class and suffer when they don't. How these supposed business geniuses overlooked that fact is beyond me. If you take away ALL the money who's gonna buy your crap?
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Re: Bad times...
2013/06/27 12:39:23
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bapu
Beepster
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Huh? Didn't think that was that bad.
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Re: Bad times...
2013/06/27 12:52:45
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Hope things will be positive for you Spacey, having been at the wrong end of that axe on four previous occasions I can grok your concerns. Probably a good job I went mad, now I spend my time looking after those dear to me that need help.
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spacey
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Re: Bad times...
2013/06/27 13:13:30
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Thanks Wookiee. It's not my first rodeo. I've missed all of their sick performances. In the past I've kept my mouth shut and stayed on the sidelines in bewilderment trying to make sense of crazy. This time I'm not at all confused...they are nuts. Absolutely crazy. I'm proud that I had my head together enough to walk out. At what price?...sometimes that just doesn't matter. I think there comes a time when a man will draw a line and stand behind his decision with knowledge and values of what is right and what is wrong. My head will hit the pillow just fine tonight and I will drift off to sleep with no worries about how I conduct myself. That's what matters now...because it's all I have control over.
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Re: Bad times...
2013/06/27 17:57:10
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It's hard to soar with the eagles when you work for turkeys.
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Re: Bad times...
2013/06/27 21:14:02
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Perhaps think snakes? Much more slithery and closer to the ground than turkeys.
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Re: Bad times...
2013/06/27 23:57:04
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Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines?
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Re: Bad times...
2013/06/28 00:19:51
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Weasels are too good for them... Having been through that with the older management here and having a new management does work, sometimes. Here it just did that. Unfortunately there are way too many narcissists around anymore....
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Re: Bad times...
2013/06/28 09:30:00
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Hi Spacey, Wishing you the best.
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Re: Bad times...
2013/06/28 09:50:36
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Thanks Mike but honestly...it isn't about me. I'm fine and will be fine with or without their ways. Maybe I can speak without slandering - just from a business perspective... This is a big company with operations world-wide. The branch that I work for is the "heart". We are the reason. We are the source of support for all the failings of bad investments and bad decisions that are made and are made by people that were attached to business other than the "heart" of this one. Numerous CEOs have made the same stupid decisions and have the appearance to be just like very poorly made cookie-cutter homes built overnight for a quick profit. Like the unfortunate ones that purchased those "homes" it is the employees that make the business profit that will pay the price....all the while the ones that created the mess will be happy about their gains. The business design of focus on shareholder profits at all cost is a cancer killing the working class and not unlike cancer we hope for a cure that seems to never come. I think taking care of the workhorse has simply been replaced with -keep it alive just well enough to keep working and when it dies replace it with one that is so hungry it will work hard for very little.
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Re: Bad times...
2013/06/28 10:25:44
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqFPt2-XfOA Here is something I did a few years back. (only thing I ever put up on youtube) I have managed to stay employed through many down sizing, bankruptcies, and re-orgs. Was it all skill and strategy...some, but also a lot of luck. I work at a very exciting global technology company and it could be so much better for all, but current business models suck all the fun out of it. Living and dying with quarter by quarter revenue numbers is really quite tiring. My advice....stay low and keep your spacing. JR
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spacey
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Re: Bad times...
2013/06/28 10:34:58
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auto_da_fe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqFPt2-XfOA Here is something I did a few years back. (only thing I ever put up on youtube) I have managed to stay employed through many down sizing, bankruptcies, and re-orgs. Was it all skill and strategy...some, but also a lot of luck. I work at a very exciting global technology company and it could be so much better for all, but current business models suck all the fun out of it. Living and dying with quarter by quarter revenue numbers is really quite tiring. My advice....stay low and keep your spacing. JR
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Re: Bad times...
2013/06/28 16:11:16
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Well.... at least they are giving you notice.... 3 days beats none. The best thing that ever happened to me was the day I returned from my 3 day weekend off and was told by the plant VP that I was terminated as of that very moment. 10 minutes later, after cleaning out my personal items from the office I had, I was escorted to the back door and my ID badge collected. It was at that moment.... perhaps over the next 2 weeks is more accurate.... that I decided I had been fired for the last time. I started a business. I have been told to get off the job site, and customers have fired me, but "no one person" holds the power over my purse strings. I have always had issues with bosses, especially ones that were stupid. (most of them qualified under this criteria) So working for myself was the best thing that ever happened in regards to working and income. If you have skills that translate to being self employed, AND, if you find it's your head that is rolling on the floor..... take a few days and consider if starting your own business might be the right thing to do. Even consider a move to a different industry if you're not particularly happy in what you have been doing. I went from being a supervisor in a factory running a shift of 45 people to starting a security installation business. I had not really worked in the alarm business before, although I did know electricity. I have pretty much never regretted it. Better hours, better pay, and I don't have to work with idiots. Oh yeah, I get some interesting customers, but that is a short term exposure and I'm good with that. Any way.... just a thought if you find yourself on the outside looking in. Oh yeah.... that factory.... about a year, maybe less, later, the company was bought by another company. The new owners went through cutting heads.... all the people in line above me....FIRED! I was on staff ( as opposed to an hourly worker) and the new company cleaned house with the staff..... they fired more than 60% of them including the VP who fire me, and his boss the Prez. They also cleared out the department heads, and a number of the shift supervisors, so had I still been there, I might have been fired at that point anyway due to the buy out.
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Re: Bad times...
2013/06/29 14:42:59
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craigb It's hard to soar with the eagles when you work for turkeys.
.... shouldn't it say ... "fly" with turkeys?
As a wise Guy once stated from his holy chapala ... none of the hits, none of the time ... prevents you from becoming just another turkey in the middle of all the other turkeys!
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Re: Bad times...
2013/06/29 14:47:45
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Keep your head up and stay positive. I've been there too.
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Re: Bad times...
2013/06/29 14:54:19
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Moshkiae
craigb It's hard to soar with the eagles when you work for turkeys.
.... shouldn't it say ... "fly" with turkeys?
Hi, No.
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Re: Bad times...
2013/06/29 15:09:01
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Hi, Sorry to hear this Spacey ... but I'm not sure that any, or all of us, will not be a part of this sooner or later ... and I call it, the game banks play with the money so they can steal the houses they "sold" back and make money off them again! In the end, I have been lucky and was always able to walk down the street and start again ... I have "longetivity" on my resume, and I found that this is a very good attribute to have. That said, I live in fear all the time, that tomorrow, my own company will make changes and something else will come up ... and this is the reason why I don't spend a whole lot of money and try to get by with the minimum possible, and the only thing I have allowed myself to do, is get a new motherboard and processor each year so my computers stay up to date! A few pieces of software here and there and my overtime, or holiday pay uses that up! I would like to see a website start naming all those "people" that basically ripped off employees left and right, and got paid for it, and then left ... that kind of cowardice, in my book, just shows what the values in many places are all about. I remember the King's Table, when we struggled to go from 60 units to 85 in 5 years, and then they got a new "big wig", that had a big mouth, and got everyone up with a hard-ommmm, that the company would be with 500 units (no kidding!) within a couple of years ... and I had been around the restaurant business a long time to know that was not possible to be done over night! Specially a buffett place! So one day my supervisor asks me what I thought of the new "man" ... and I said ... well that depends if you like the devil or not! What do you mean? ... what man goes around saying we will have that many restaurants in a few years when we have struggled to get this far? With what money? AT&T's? I can talk to you and trust you, but I don't have to believe merde when I hear it, do you? I was done before the year was out (1988) and here is the fine print ... that "devil" engineered an internal buyout, knowing the company would be stolen, and then left with his payoff of millions ... ohhh ... one problem ... the company that "bought it" was a surrogate, non existant company that was built with that money swindle in Arizona called "Keating". I kinda feel that Supervisor owed me an apology ... but that's ok ... I was tired of working with child molesters (no kidding!), rapists and dishonorable people. It was the end of the food business for me! Time for a new world, for me, even if I have to struggle through it, which I did for several years! But I have to tell you that in the next 10 years, I wrote a lot, and loved every minute of it! It was hard emotionally, but my inner self had a rave and then some!
As a wise Guy once stated from his holy chapala ... none of the hits, none of the time ... prevents you from becoming just another turkey in the middle of all the other turkeys!
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