Baffling dropouts

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2012/05/14 10:34:29 (permalink)

Baffling dropouts

Have fairly simple piece... 6 audio tracks and one midi not yet bounced. If I boot it from my backup drive (1T Seagate) it runs fine. If I boot it from my Cakewalk drive (90 gb OCZ Vertex2) it drops out after about 10 seconds.  Could it be because the audio data are on that cakewalk drive? The file is exactly the same. In fact I booted from backup and saved to cakewalk drive then ran it and same thing happened. But why would it run any differently based only on where it is booted from?

CPU usage doesn't get above 3%. 

The strange thing is that I have several pieces way larger and  more complicated that run just dandy booting from from the cakewalk drive. 

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    Re:Baffling dropouts 2012/05/14 10:40:33 (permalink)
    What do you mean by "booting it from backup drive" and "boot it from Cakewalk drive"?



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    Re:Baffling dropouts 2012/05/14 18:31:21 (permalink)
    The cwp file is on two different drives. I start them by double clicking on the cwp file. It brings up Sonar with the file loaded. I call that booting them though I know that isn't exactly the right word.
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    Re:Baffling dropouts 2012/05/14 20:15:04 (permalink)
    Thast is very strange, You certainly have a powerful computer. The only thing I'll chance a wild guess about is if the SSD is getting full?

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    Re:Baffling dropouts 2012/05/15 04:54:39 (permalink)
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    I start them by double clicking on the cwp file. It brings up Sonar with the file loaded. I call that booting them though I know that isn't exactly the right word.
    Maybe the word should be "launch" rather than "boot".


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    Re:Baffling dropouts 2012/05/15 06:54:43 (permalink)
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    Have fairly simple piece... 6 audio tracks and one midi not yet bounced. If I boot it from my backup drive (1T Seagate) it runs fine. If I boot it from my Cakewalk drive (90 gb OCZ Vertex2) it drops out after about 10 seconds.  Could it be because the audio data are on that cakewalk drive? The file is exactly the same. In fact I booted from backup and saved to cakewalk drive then ran it and same thing happened. But why would it run any differently based only on where it is booted from?

    CPU usage doesn't get above 3%. 

    The strange thing is that I have several pieces way larger and  more complicated that run just dandy booting from from the cakewalk drive. 

    John

    Let's get some more info.
     
    is your "cakewalk drive" anything other than a dedicated drive for your audio or are there other programs on it?  I assume the 90g OCZ Vertex2 is an SSD SATA3 (or is it SATA6) drive?  what does your disk usage say when you're running from the SSD?
     
    do you have any softsynths in the project?  how many / what kinds of FX?
     
    if you have other projects on that same drive which don't do this then there's probably something spsecific with this project.  start disabling things until it stops doing that.  disable reverb plugins, compressors, EQs, etc, one at a time until you find the culprit.

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    Re:Baffling dropouts 2012/05/16 18:25:20 (permalink)
    Well... now I've worked on it so it drops out wherever I boot from. Started over, made a new file by importing recorded audio and re-doing bounced/recorded audio. I think maybe the audios aren't all the same kind? Don't know how to check that. Some are recorded from midi, some are bounced from Philharmonik and some are recordings of my grandchildren singing. Could that be a problem?

    I'm using volume envelopes in all tracks and automated mute in a few. But my processor never gets over 1% and disk is -0-. It really isn't that big a deal I didn't think. 

    I have another project with 40+ tracks of audio/midi/ bounced stuff that runs seamlessly. Hey, Maybe it's the recordings of the kids. That seems to be the only difference.

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    Re:Baffling dropouts 2012/05/16 21:27:21 (permalink)
    Go to the audio folder and hover over each wave file, There should be a little box tells you the sample rate. If not use properties.

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    Re:Baffling dropouts 2012/05/16 21:45:23 (permalink)
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    Go to the audio folder and hover over each wave file, There should be a little box tells you the sample rate. If not use properties.





    I have 2304, 1152, and 4608, and 6144 kbps. Got from right click/properties. Hovering didn't bring up much.
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    Re:Baffling dropouts 2012/05/16 23:51:25 (permalink)
    Very strange.
    I just looked in my audio folders.. all show under properties/details as bit rate 1058kbps 
    I looked at a regular wave file and it of course shows as 1441kbps

    What is strange is that I am recording at 44.1 in Sonar for those projects . so why would they be different. +
    1058 implies a lower resolution even. ??
    Go ask Bit Flipper, he knows this stuff and where to look. We might be looking at fairy dust for all I know. After all a kbps is not a Hz. ??
     
    But I thought the minute you import a wave or MP3 Sonar converts it to your poject rate and then 32 bit  so they should all play together.
    post edited by Cactus Music - 2012/05/17 00:03:03

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    Re:Baffling dropouts 2012/05/17 10:17:25 (permalink)
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    Very strange.
    I just looked in my audio folders.. all show under properties/details as bit rate 1058kbps 
    I looked at a regular wave file and it of course shows as 1441kbps

    What is strange is that I am recording at 44.1 in Sonar for those projects . so why would they be different. +
    1058 implies a lower resolution even. ??
    Go ask Bit Flipper, he knows this stuff and where to look. We might be looking at fairy dust for all I know. After all a kbps is not a Hz. ??
     
    But I thought the minute you import a wave or MP3 Sonar converts it to your poject rate and then 32 bit  so they should all play together.


    Same here. I'm set up 48 24 which is what it says at the bottom of the screen. I just assumed sonar would record, bonce, import and export using that. Whatever I'm doing I don't tweak or look at anything else. 
    I tried turning off the 64 bit engine but that made no difference.
    After it drops out I stop the audio engine and reset the midi and start up again. Seems to work but might dropout again later. I'm hoping to keep editing this way and end up with a mixed down mp3 that works. When I played synth tracks (Philharmonik) I got dropouts but when I bounced them, it made it all the way through but with a couple long delays. Then when I played the bounced track I got the dropouts again but never dropsout at the same place and in fact, sometimes makes it all the way through with no dropout. It's just a little 4 minute piece. It's all a mystery to me. 
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    Re:Baffling dropouts 2012/05/17 11:00:51 (permalink)
    Don't mix the 64 bit engine which is your OS, with the recording word length 32 bit. It is confusing that operating systems and digital audio use the word Bit.

    This is sounding more and more like a Plug in problem. Have you tried deleting this phillyharmonk and using something else?

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    Re:Baffling dropouts 2012/06/29 23:14:36 (permalink)
    Ok... I started completely over with clean installed windows 7 64 bit and that cleared up the dropouts. End of story.
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    Re:Baffling dropouts 2012/06/30 09:52:23 (permalink)

    Maybe the word should be "launch" rather than "boot".



    +1. Booting is when you start up the computer or operating system... i.e., pulling it up by its "bootstraps". That is the origin of the expression. 

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