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2018/12/01 20:33:44 (permalink)

Band in a Box 2019 out now

It’s gone 64 bit at last and also includes a vst plugin version which could be useful.

Read all about it here... https://www.pgmusic.com/bbwin.htm

MAC version here ... https://www.pgmusic.com/bbmac.htm

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Re: Band in a Box 2019 out now 2018/12/01 20:53:58 (permalink)
Cool. I can never figure out the right upgrade to get.
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Re: Band in a Box 2019 out now 2018/12/01 20:53:59 (permalink)
Cool. I can never figure out the right upgrade to get.
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Re: Band in a Box 2019 out now 2018/12/01 21:07:26 (permalink)
Know what you mean. It looks like I started with Everything Pak (via Pro) and then upgraded with PlusPak every year adding the 49 Pak and Xtra Pak (plus Xtra paks whenever they appear). As far as I can tell I have all of the the RealTracks by doing this.
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Re: Band in a Box 2019 out now 2018/12/01 23:35:56 (permalink)
Thanks for the info!  I was just wondering earlier today if they were coming out with a new version for next year, since I had not noticed an email from them yet.
 
I bought into BIAB 2017 Pro back in December 2016 with the end of year discount deal, then skipped the upgrade last year, but that new 64-bit upgrade looks worthwhile.  Doesn't look like too much else has changed though.

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Re: Band in a Box 2019 out now 2018/12/02 04:33:22 (permalink)
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I bought into BIAB 2017 Pro back in December 2016 with the end of year discount deal, then skipped the upgrade last year, but that new 64-bit upgrade looks worthwhile.  Doesn't look like too much else has changed though.




Same here, and not really used it much other than to play around with it, but never studied it well enough to use it properly either. Being able to host 64-bit VSTs is a very nice addition. Has anyone tried out the hosting capabilities yet?
 
They also include a 64-bit plugin version... in the review video where they mentioned this, the first DAW they show is CbB (1:19 into their intro video).
 
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Re: Band in a Box 2019 out now 2018/12/02 10:21:53 (permalink)
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Thanks for the info!  I was just wondering earlier today if they were coming out with a new version for next year, since I had not noticed an email from them yet.
 
I bought into BIAB 2017 Pro back in December 2016 with the end of year discount deal, then skipped the upgrade last year, but that new 64-bit upgrade looks worthwhile.  Doesn't look like too much else has changed though.




NP abacab! I was also going to skip the update this year but 64 bit and VSTi are making me rethink! This has been debated a lot on their forum and is considered a big deal by some. I use BIAB for trying out ideas in different styles and also to create my own backing tracks for my "one man worship band" at my local church. It's really fast for doing this and where "studio quality" is not so important although I usually import the BIAB tracks into CbB to refine them and add other instrumentation. I will even use just the drum and/or bass parts generated by BIAB and add the rest myself. It's surprising what can be achieved in very little time. The melodist is also a useful tool for generating melody ideas when you get stuck and it's also a great tool for jamming/noodling with. 

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Re: Band in a Box 2019 out now 2018/12/02 13:19:30 (permalink)
That new plug looks pretty cool.  The plug vid is using Studio One

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Re: Band in a Box 2019 out now 2018/12/02 15:07:32 (permalink)
I am interested in this MIDI file.
 mega pack, ultra pack..Which one?
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Re: Band in a Box 2019 out now 2018/12/02 18:35:52 (permalink)
 For what is does would the regular version be enough?  I'm not a fan of software always trying to get you to buy addons.

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Re: Band in a Box 2019 out now 2018/12/02 18:39:16 (permalink)
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it's also a great tool for jamming/noodling with. 




Just throwing some chords down with a style for quick backing tracks to jam or noodle with, that's pretty much what I got it for.  Haven't explored it fully, it really looks much deeper, especially with regard to putting together full arrangements in BIAB.
 
You mentioned that you have the everything pak, etc.  Do you find the extra content very useful, and what level would you recommend? 
 
I only have the Pro version with the limited number of MIDI styles, Real Tracks, etc.  Right now they have discounted upgrades for MegaPak, UltraPak, UltraPak+, and Audiophile Edition.  https://www.pgmusic.com/bbwin.packages.htm

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Re: Band in a Box 2019 out now 2018/12/02 19:40:57 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby BobF 2018/12/02 20:35:04
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That new plug looks pretty cool.  The plug vid is using Studio One




Yeah, I actually grabbed the 2019 Pro last night, but use an Ultrawide monitor. Inside Studio One that BIAB plugin is so small it is hard to read, and SO makes it so you need to hit an exact pixel on its edge to re-size the plugin window. What I first saw was nothing like that video shows and getting there was just painful.

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Re: Band in a Box 2019 out now 2018/12/02 19:55:19 (permalink)
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 For what is does would the regular version be enough?  I'm not a fan of software always trying to get you to buy addons.


Yeah, I’m wondering the same thing. What say you BIAB users? 😁
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Re: Band in a Box 2019 out now 2018/12/02 19:56:29 (permalink)
PG Music allows interest free 4 payment option which is pretty cool.
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Re: Band in a Box 2019 out now 2018/12/02 20:26:31 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby oockkk 2018/12/03 02:56:06
Well abacab and kk1, it's complicated! PGMusic have a sale on the launch of their yearly updates every year around this time. Which package to buy is always a commonly asked question and a tricky one because it depends on your use case.
 
For a start they no longer do the EverythingPak (UPDATE: PG support have now told me that the current equivalent is UltraPak+) which I bought in 2014.  That gave me every RealTrack (RT) available at the time and every year I have upgraded via the PlusPak, 49 pak (this and bonus only available when you purchase during the sale) and XtraPaks available as they are released and at all times (the new one is Xtra Pak 6). So I should have every RT except for the ones available pre 2015 as bonus/49 Paks. These cover all kinds of styles, some of which I have never used and I'm not likely to, but it also gives you a wealth of options (my BIAB 2018 currently lists 6,068 styles in stylepicker). 
 
You can be creative with it. For example, once I have a basic song structure in place I will try lots of different/similar styles and sometimes use particular RTs from each version, or swap out RTs used in a particular style with others. You can bring all of them into CbB and have a lot of fun mixing and matching (Realband offers similar things but I just use CbB as I know it). In CbB I will often use some BIAB, some VSTis and blend them with real instruments which I have played and vocals.
 
I find myself using the RTs more than the MIDI although I have had some success with the MIDI and even exporting RT based songs as MIDI (there are dependencies though). For a lot of folk it's all about the RTs.
 
Have a look at that table at the bottom of the packages page abacab as it shows you what is included in each version. A good place to start if you don't want every RT but want a step up from Pro would maybe be the MegaPak. If you want all the currently available RTs then you are looking at UltraPak upwards. I have never found the need for the AudioPhile version but maybe one day :) Be aware of the disk space needed for all of those RTs - my current BB folder is around 145Gb which is largely due to the RTs (it was around 110Gb when I first invested in BIAB).
 
I'm waffling on but hopefully this helps in some way. Also worth mentioning that there are a lot of very helpful, knowledgeable and friendly folk over on the PGMusic forums. Some of them have been using BIAB since the DOS versions so know it inside out and they helped me a lot when I got stuck.
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Re: Band in a Box 2019 out now 2018/12/02 20:35:36 (permalink)
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That new plug looks pretty cool.  The plug vid is using Studio One




Yeah, I actually grabbed the 2019 Pro last night, but use an Ultrawide monitor. Inside Studio One that BIAB plugin is so small it is hard to read, and SO makes it so you need to hit an exact pixel on its edge to re-size the plugin window. What I first saw was nothing like that video shows and getting there was just painful.




Is your display scaled?  4K?  Dimensions?
 
 

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Re: Band in a Box 2019 out now 2018/12/02 21:40:27 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby ZincTrumpet 2018/12/03 16:25:46
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I find myself using the RTs more than the MIDI although I have had some success with the MIDI and even exporting RT based songs as MIDI (there are dependencies though). For a lot of folk it's all about the RTs.
 
Have a look at that table at the bottom of the packages page abacab as it shows you what is included in each version. A good place to start if you don't want every RT but want a step up from Pro would maybe be the MegaPak. If you want all the currently available RTs then you are looking at UltraPak upwards.




That's helpful ZT, and after having a look through what all the Mega Pak upgrade contains, that looks like a nice bump up to the max MIDI styles side of BIAB.
 
I'm not sure I would need or use most of the Real Tracks, although some do sound very good!  And I am sure they would be fun! 
 
But I am comfortable working mostly with MIDI instruments elsewhere.  However, I did notice that a large percentage of Real Tracks are guitar tracks, so if you work with a lot of guitar based music, that might be handy!  Plus I will have to say that MIDI has not really replaced the real guitarist yet! 

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Re: Band in a Box 2019 out now 2018/12/02 22:01:26 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby BobF 2018/12/03 02:31:26
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That new plug looks pretty cool.  The plug vid is using Studio One


Yeah, I actually grabbed the 2019 Pro last night, but use an Ultrawide monitor. Inside Studio One that BIAB plugin is so small it is hard to read, and SO makes it so you need to hit an exact pixel on its edge to re-size the plugin window. What I first saw was nothing like that video shows and getting there was just painful.


Is your display scaled?  4K?  Dimensions?



Just checked to make sure, and is not scaled (100%), 2560x1080, and 34" wide. This is actually fairly common issue if resizing is scripted into a program vs. governed by Windows. Iobit's ASC software (not-resizable) is based on 1/2 of the screen width, so after getting the ultrawide... BAM!... the application now takes up all but 2" of the vertical height. Fonts don't seem to be adjusted, but the spacing between components sure is.
 
Just checked, and the BAIB plugin can be resized in SO4 by click-dragging anywhere in that cross-hatched lower right corner, even without a resize cursor viewable (yay). And after resizing the BIAB plugin the first time it instantiates at roughly 600x500 consistently on insertion. Slightly less than 1/4 the width and 1/2 height of my screen.
 
[Edited the bold above, typo on my part!]
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Re: Band in a Box 2019 out now 2018/12/02 22:32:57 (permalink)
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Just checked, and the BAIB plugin can be resized in SO4 by click-dragging anywhere in that cross-hatched lower right corner, even without a resize cursor viewable (yay). And after resizing the BIAB plugin the first time it instantiates at roughly 600x900 consistently on insertion.




Thanks for that info!  Perfect!

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Re: Band in a Box 2019 out now 2018/12/02 22:42:42 (permalink)
Eesh, typo on my part, that should be 600x500 (slightly less than 1/4 width, and 1/2 height of my screen)! Even making it bigger and saving a project with a large size will not make it instantiate any bigger than that, but is better than it was.

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Re: Band in a Box 2019 out now 2018/12/03 02:33:00 (permalink)
I went to Ultra last year.  Looks like I can go '19 Ultra for $99
 
I was gonna skip this year, but being able to use 64 bit plugs and the plug version have me leaning towards it.

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Re: Band in a Box 2019 out now 2018/12/03 08:08:27 (permalink)
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I went to Ultra last year.  Looks like I can go '19 Ultra for $99
 
I was gonna skip this year, but being able to use 64 bit plugs and the plug version have me leaning towards it.




That's a good price for Ultra but would you need Ultra again Bob? If you got it last year then you would have all of the RTs and would just need to top up with the PlusPak.
 
Having watched the DAW plugin video it does make the purchase all the more compelling!

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Re: Band in a Box 2019 out now 2018/12/03 13:54:10 (permalink)
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I went to Ultra last year.  Looks like I can go '19 Ultra for $99
 
I was gonna skip this year, but being able to use 64 bit plugs and the plug version have me leaning towards it.




That's a good price for Ultra but would you need Ultra again Bob? If you got it last year then you would have all of the RTs and would just need to top up with the PlusPak.
 
Having watched the DAW plugin video it does make the purchase all the more compelling!




Yes, via the PlusPak @ $99.  An upgrade to Ultra would be $149

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Re: Band in a Box 2019 out now 2018/12/03 16:10:30 (permalink)
I haven't tried the VST version yet, but when I TRY to run the 64-bit version of BiaB (biab64.exe), it begins the same startup routine as the 32-bit version, but eventually (within seconds), crashes to Windows desktop. Windows seems unaffected.
 
Anyone else have this problem?
 
Gonna have to register in the BiaB forum. I had BiaB Pro+ 2014, and just upgraded it to Mega 2019.

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Re: Band in a Box 2019 out now 2018/12/03 16:22:22 (permalink)
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I haven't tried the VST version yet, but when I TRY to run the 64-bit version of BiaB (biab64.exe), it begins the same startup routine as the 32-bit version, but eventually (within seconds), crashes to Windows desktop. Windows seems unaffected.
 
Anyone else have this problem?
 
Gonna have to register in the BiaB forum. I had BiaB Pro+ 2014, and just upgraded it to Mega 2019.




TM, You could also contact PGMusic support on support@pgmusic.com 
They usually respond quickly as they have to my query about what the current equivalent of EverythingPak is (I have updated my post).
 
There's also online help via the little side bar popout thingy on their website which might be even quicker.

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Re: Band in a Box 2019 out now 2018/12/03 16:28:54 (permalink)
Do you have the latest build from 12/2? Fixed that crash for many.
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Re: Band in a Box 2019 out now 2018/12/03 17:01:13 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2018/12/03 22:57:56
Good point gmon72!
 
I usually wait until the middle of the month to buy it as there are often quite a few fixes after the initial release so I wait until it is more stable. Build 602 is here --> https://www.pgmusic.com/support_windowsupdates.htm 

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Re: Band in a Box 2019 out now 2018/12/03 23:36:45 (permalink)
Unfortunately, I do have 602.
 
There's something else going on. I ran BiaB 64 as Admin. It didn't crash, but I'm getting loud noise on startup and over the top of any RT I try playing. Doesn't happen with the 32-bit app. That works great.
 
Still struggling with the Win10 1809 update. Issues remain.

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Re: Band in a Box 2019 out now 2018/12/04 00:09:07 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby ZincTrumpet 2018/12/04 13:34:26
The difference between the UltraPlus PAK and the former Everything PAK / now UltraPlus+ PAK is the addition of some tutorial videos that were made many years ago and which are now out-of-date.
 
If you use Band-in-a-Box and purchased the UltraPlus PAK, Everything PAK or Audiophile edition in 2018 then the most cost effective upgrade is the $99 PlusPAK.  The PlusPAK includes 2019 Band-in-a-Box and RealBand, sets 301 to 328 RealTracks sets (for a total of 202 RealTracks).  During December a bonus PAK is included which provides MIDI SuperTracks set 28, 15 MIDI only styles and Brent Mason 12-key CountryPop Guitar Licks (Instrumental Study # 7).
 
During December, a $49 addition named the 2019 49-PAK includes 50 additional RealTracks, MIDI SuperTracks set 29, another 15 MIDI only styles, Brent Mason 12-key Train-Beat Licks ((Instrumental Study # 8) and Geoff Kelly Celtic Flute (Instrumental Study # 9).
 
One new feature not mentioned so far is the addition of RealDrums midi transcription notation.  This means people wanting more control over the sound of the drums than previously offered with the stereo RealDrums tracks can export the finished RealDrums as a MIDI file and place each instrument component onto its own midi track.  21 RealDrums now have drum notation.  The notation was captured during the RealDrums recording by having the drummer use a drum kit with midi triggers.

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Re: Band in a Box 2019 out now 2018/12/04 00:10:23 (permalink)
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Having watched the DAW plugin video it does make the purchase all the more compelling!




That video looks great!  I'm almost sold!

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