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Bandlab Sonar > Standalone or web based?
Since Sonar is local I wondered if Bandlab Sonar will be local too? Since I require that for my productions!
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Re: Bandlab Sonar > Standalone or web based?
2018/02/26 14:21:08
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My understanding is that they intend to keep it as it is and expand on that. So yes tentively as a desktop application.
Best thing to do is carry on as usual and wait and see, pretty soon more info will surface as decisions are made and release is eminent.
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Re: Bandlab Sonar > Standalone or web based?
2018/02/26 15:19:02
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they haven't promised anything specific yet, as they are still in the migration process, so it will be interesting to see what comes out the other end... their current business model seems to be all social-media/sharing/web-oriented (the current focus for digital business, especially start-ups), so personally i'd be surprised if there's a standalone desktop version... i reckon at least you'll be logging on when using the app, but who knows? /utter-speculation
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Re: Bandlab Sonar > Standalone or web based?
2018/02/26 15:51:28
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pwalpwal they haven't promised anything specific yet, as they are still in the migration process, so it will be interesting to see what comes out the other end... their current business model seems to be all social-media/sharing/web-oriented (the current focus for digital business, especially start-ups), so personally i'd be surprised if there's a standalone desktop version... i reckon at least you'll be logging on when using the app, but who knows? /utter-speculation
That's what you got from the message from here? http://forum.cakewalk.com/m/tm.aspx?m=3730905&fp=1I believe the skepticism may be warranted but it looks to me like that isn't the direction being proposed. Wait and see I guess.
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Re: Bandlab Sonar > Standalone or web based?
2018/02/26 16:00:49
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pwalpwal they haven't promised anything specific yet, as they are still in the migration process, so it will be interesting to see what comes out the other end... their current business model seems to be all social-media/sharing/web-oriented (the current focus for digital business, especially start-ups), so personally i'd be surprised if there's a standalone desktop version... i reckon at least you'll be logging on when using the app, but who knows? /utter-speculation
That's what you got from the message from here?
http://forum.cakewalk.com/m/tm.aspx?m=3730905&fp=1
I believe the skepticism may be warranted but it looks to me like that isn't the direction being proposed. Wait and see I guess.
sure, i don't take anything definite from that post, apart from that they're "in the process of transition" and maybe "you guys will be the first to know" where do you get "they intend to keep it as it is and expand on that" from?
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Re: Bandlab Sonar > Standalone or web based?
2018/02/26 16:37:48
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I don't think there is any point speculating about it changing platforms at this stage. Sonar is currently a Windows app and it would take a lot of work to convert it into a cloud app that could actually work. I suspect one of the first new features will be a big, bright button that says, 'Upload track to Bandlab'. I would also suspect that they would ultimately want Sonar to be cross-platform and available to Mac users - perhaps one way of doing that would be to have Sonar running on Windows servers and accessible as a cloud-based app, but again there are a lot of major technical issues with that - I mean, imagine the latency issues, 3rd party plugin issues and the vast amount of processing power, memory etc required to run lots of instances of Sonar with potentially big projects, without regular fatal crashes. They already have a cloud-based system. I would imagine some of the features from Sonar may find their way into that, but Sonar will remain a commercial, standalone, dedicated software for serious producers and musicians as it is currently. There is no point panicking about changes that may never happen or speculating about things until Bandlab announce their plans.
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Re: Bandlab Sonar > Standalone or web based?
2018/02/26 16:55:37
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I 2nd that, and move to move on....
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Re: Bandlab Sonar > Standalone or web based?
2018/02/26 17:06:59
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yeah, fwiw i posted this on the beyond forum fwiw, it could be as simple as a bandlab version of the "export to gobbler" or wtf it was
but still i'm interested where you got "they intend to keep it as it is and expand on that" from? it certainly wasn't in the post you linked speculation is human nature, it'll be interesting to see where we all are in a year or two :-)
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Re: Bandlab Sonar > Standalone or web based?
2018/02/26 17:09:06
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Here's what Meng from BandLab stated on their announcement page: "..our steadfast goal is that former SONAR owners (of all versions) will not need to spend any money to cross-over/cross-grade to the future flagship product." In my opinion, Sonar will not look anything like it does today however its code and functionality will be integrated within their Cloud based platform (i.e. their flagship product). But again, that's only speculation on my end, not fact..
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Re: Bandlab Sonar > Standalone or web based?
2018/02/26 18:05:02
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☄ Helpfulby michheld 2018/02/26 20:36:24
Something tells me this wouldn't have happened had the bakers not been working on Momentum. Looking at the BandLab web site, it is clear that they are seeking out the younger generation that lives, plays and does everything through their phone. Momentum (as I understood it) was seeking out the same user group, to provide a bridge through Momentum to SONAR. Just have a feeling that this may be the angle BandLab will take. Incorporate code from Momentum into the current BandLab iPhone and Android software that links back to SONAR. While the standard BandLab free software on the phone is good, when these young musicians are ready to go to a more 'Professional' level you can bring SONAR up and pull everything in and work on your music in a professional atmosphere. I would also expect SONAR to start to incorporate some of the social media/collaboration aspect of the current BandLab software. Given what BandLab is already doing, can you imagine a video conference link to the folks you are collaborating with, directly from within SONAR? They hear (and see) what you hear, can discuss how to improve the mix, etc in near real time. They are already looking at changing the Cakewalk forum software to what BandLab is currently using (a good move in my opinion). Incorporating direct links from SONAR to the forum for help and assistance could be another social media aspect. It sounds like BandLab wants to keep as many existing Cakewalk forum users around, as Meng has been interacting with us on the forum a lot in just the past 48-72 hours. That is a huge knowledge base of users, and most folks on the forum have shown a willingness in the past to help out the new folks. Also I would not be surprised to see direct links to the BandLab online Mastering software from within SONAR. Wouldn't be surprised to see it come with a few more options available only with the 'SONAR Professional' version (the last version of SONAR has links to LANDR Mastering, so I would imagine that will go by the wayside). I can see where having a group of users looking for the 'next step' or the 'next level' would be a prime target to upgrade to SONAR. Providing them an 'easy pathway' is a no-brainer. If this works out, it could place SONAR in a unique position in today's DAW market, and might force others to play catch-up. To me it seems the folks at BandLab are attempting to offer a musical 'cradle to grave' solution - from easy input on the phone, through their own hardware interfaces, collaboration, import into a professional level DAW, provide mastering options and direct uploading to the social media presence. Also wouldn't be surprised if they are looking at another level up that helps musicians 'sell' their music, promote their career, etc. That's my 2-cents, and probably not worth that much!
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Re: Bandlab Sonar > Standalone or web based?
2018/02/26 18:28:59
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Mandolin good thoughts. Let's see. I am welcoming change and if it doesn't work, I always have Studio One 3
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Re: Bandlab Sonar > Standalone or web based?
2018/02/26 18:33:23
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☄ Helpfulby pwalpwal 2018/02/26 18:45:21
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Re: Bandlab Sonar > Standalone or web based?
2018/02/26 18:58:58
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Will there be multi-track sending back and forth between the web and desktop DAW? i would suspect so. That would mean a step further than Soundcould/Landr integration where you can publish the finished product.
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Re: Bandlab Sonar > Standalone or web based?
2018/02/26 20:04:30
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meng Desktop application :-)
Thank's for saving my keester in this thread..... and the most Thank's for your clarification.
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Re: Bandlab Sonar > Standalone or web based?
2018/02/26 20:10:34
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meng Desktop application :-)
Awesome! thanks for the response :)
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Re: Bandlab Sonar > Standalone or web based?
2018/02/26 21:23:17
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Re: Bandlab Sonar > Standalone or web based?
2018/02/26 22:26:04
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meng Desktop application :-)
Hello Meng, Thanks for clearing that out. That's wonderful news. Congratulations and best wishes for success to Bandlab and the Cakewalk community.
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Re: Bandlab Sonar > Standalone or web based?
2018/02/27 00:58:12
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I think it is a question of Standalone and Web. The future looks bright. Maybe we will end up with the most professional Social DAW on the globe :)
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Re: Bandlab Sonar > Standalone or web based?
2018/02/27 11:23:40
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Having Sonar as a desktop application that integrates with a cloud based colab and sharing service would be really awesome. No more dropboxing files all over the world when you need someone somewhere else to record on your songs. Just click a button and a version of the project is available in the cloud servers. When your colaborator is done, you update the local project and there it is. I may be dreaming of impossible things, however, I work across borders a lot and would certainly welcome something like this! Well... if they'd make Sonar for Mac. I jumped the windows wagon a while ago. Either way, I'm certainly enthusiastic about the prospects for this new ownership. I'll even take a closer look at BandLab and a keen eye on what's coming.
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Re: Bandlab Sonar > Standalone or web based?
2018/02/27 11:38:48
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For me, a DAW must work offline to accommodate my location recordings. Most of what I do is orchestral and chamber sessions. Since some of theses recordings are live with an audience, I don't get a second take and any dependency such as constant network connection would be too risky for me.
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Re: Bandlab Sonar > Standalone or web based?
2018/02/27 11:44:12
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I agree. But having the desktop app and cloud app be an extension of each other would be so cool
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Re: Bandlab Sonar > Standalone or web based?
2018/02/27 12:08:51
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meng Desktop application :-)
Thank you for that conformation Meng, appreciated.
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Re: Bandlab Sonar > Standalone or web based?
2018/02/27 12:31:44
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ProjectM Having Sonar as a desktop application that integrates with a cloud based colab and sharing service would be really awesome. No more dropboxing files all over the world when you need someone somewhere else to record on your songs. Just click a button and a version of the project is available in the cloud servers. When your colaborator is done, you update the local project and there it is. I may be dreaming of impossible things, however, I work across borders a lot and would certainly welcome something like this!
what you describe sounds like standard centralised version control, used by software devs for years... anyone who's used visual studio with tfs or git will know what i mean... and if it is implemented in a similar way to the team explorer part of vs then it could actually be a very useful thing... the one big difference i see is that it's a single cloud server owned and run by bandlab, rather than that server part also being available as a product to host on-premises oneself
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Re: Bandlab Sonar > Standalone or web based?
2018/02/27 14:53:10
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pwalpwal
ProjectM Having Sonar as a desktop application that integrates with a cloud based colab and sharing service would be really awesome. No more dropboxing files all over the world when you need someone somewhere else to record on your songs. Just click a button and a version of the project is available in the cloud servers. When your colaborator is done, you update the local project and there it is. I may be dreaming of impossible things, however, I work across borders a lot and would certainly welcome something like this!
what you describe sounds like standard centralised version control, used by software devs for years... anyone who's used visual studio with tfs or git will know what i mean... and if it is implemented in a similar way to the team explorer part of vs then it could actually be a very useful thing... the one big difference i see is that it's a single cloud server owned and run by bandlab, rather than that server part also being available as a product to host on-premises oneself
It's not quite like VCS though as I don't think you can control versioning with it. I use Git and in theory, you could probably use Git for versioning audio projects. I haven't tried. Interesting idea though for collaborations.
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Re: Bandlab Sonar > Standalone or web based?
2018/02/27 15:55:26
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hmm, shame, maybe someone just needs to write some plugin/extension that integrates with git/tfs/tortoise etc, there's your million dollar collaboration solution
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Re: Bandlab Sonar > Standalone or web based?
2018/02/27 22:28:28
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☄ Helpfulby pwalpwal 2018/02/28 13:37:23
35mm It's not quite like VCS though as I don't think you can control versioning with it. I use Git and in theory, you could probably use Git for versioning audio projects. I haven't tried. Interesting idea though for collaborations.
BandLab has full versioning and you can choose which version you want to publish. All prior versions are saved so you can roll back or forward to any version at any time. Its pretty sophisticated. Once you save multiple versions of a song you will see the revision graph listed on the right when you select the song. You can then choose which revision to publish.
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Re: Bandlab Sonar > Standalone or web based?
2018/02/28 15:09:34
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Congratz on the new job dear Noel. And thank you Mr Meng. It looks very promising.
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Re: Bandlab Sonar > Standalone or web based?
2018/02/28 15:19:56
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meng Desktop application :-)
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Re: Bandlab Sonar > Standalone or web based?
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meng Desktop application :-)
Yes! Thank you!!
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